Ok - Let's consider Hillary....

[Englishman]

Now, I admit I hate the Clintonites and liberals in general, even so, if you liberals are going to run Hillary you must answer one key question to your complete satisfaction:

Which state that Kerry lost in 2004 can Hillary win to get enough Electoral College votes to win?

Really, in all honesty, which state can she win that Kerry didn't?

Until you can answer that question you should not nominate her.

Just an honest Conservative here trying to help.....

 

[Master Capper]

Well Ohio would be my first guess as to which state she could win in 08 since the GOP has been in a freefall due to corruption for the past 2 years.

 

[kosar]

I am not a Hillary fan, but she can win Florida.

 

[dawgball]

Hillary scares the shit out of me, but I think now it is up to the Republicans to make sure they have a really good candidate that separates themselves from the current administration. McCain and maybe Guiliani are the two that stand out to me right now. I personally think McCain is the better choice, but he certainly has a long road in front of him.

I actually look at it from another angle. Who in the country that voted for Kerry would not vote for Hillary? I think everyone can admit that there are several people who will not be voting Republican due to their hatred for Bush (which I personally disagree with them on).

 

[AR182]

politics is like sports......it's all about match-ups....

so before this can be answered, we need to know who she is running against......if she will be running.....at this point i'm not that convinced....

 

[Nosigar]

I am not a Hillary fan, but she can win Florida.

Anybody can win Florida.
Just depends on the democrat lawyers. :SIB

 

[kosar]

Anybody can win Florida.
Just depends on the democrat lawyers. :SIB

Or whose side Katherine Harris is on. :shrug:

 

[Nosigar]

Or whose side Katherine Harris is on. :shrug:

Yep, Wax Face had those Palm Beach and Broward machines rigged up real nice.... for a good 3, 4 or 5 times.

Whatever happened to Miriam Oliphant?

 

[kosar]

Whatever happened to Miriam Oliphant?

Good question. I never heard anything about her again after Jeb suspended her and I thought there was going to be some sort of trial to see if the suspension would be upheld. Lost track of her after that.

For those not familiar-she was the Broward County election supervisor who was caught doing shady shit during the last election for governor.

 

[Chadman]

I have not looked specifically at how the 2006 or 2008 races are shaping up % wise, but I think it's shortsighted to think all states that voted red in the last election would hold true down party lines in the upcoming elections. 2008 will play off of 2006, and I expect some changes.

 

[Englishman]

not florida that's for sure

 

[kosar]

not florida that's for sure

Really? All she has to do is throw out some BS health care plan or another and she'll possibly take this state.

I'm interested in why you think she has no shot.

She has a much better shot here than she does in Ohio.

 

[smurphy]

The more you actually hear Hillary, the better chance she has in any battleground state. She's got to be the best spoken of any major candidate right now. She can talk the talk. The person most responsible for her chances is probably George Bush. The worse he does, the lower he sinks - the more people will go for the other other party, regardless of gender.

As of now, you'd have to say Hillary is the top candidate to be president in 2008. I like people like McCain, but I have a feeling he will be in the wrong party at the wrong time. Bush's presidency will likely sink even lower.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

She has a much better shot here than she does in Ohio.

4 years of this economy in a rust belt state. Does Ohio even exist anymore? Democrats will get Ohio in 2008.

Unless they put in a referendum that allows same sex marraige. Then the republicans win for sure.

 

[Master Capper]

4 years of this economy in a rust belt state. Does Ohio even exist anymore? Democrats will get Ohio in 2008.

Unless they put in a referendum that allows same sex marraige. Then the republicans win for sure

BBC you hit it right on the nose, the economy in Ohio is in the dumper and most people are looking at the current regime as the reason for this depression. The current leadership has done very little for the state with the exception of grafting money for themselves and their party. The odds favor that a DEM will be elected Gov in Ohio since the two guys vying for the GOP nomination can both be linked to the corrupt Taft administration. More than likely for the GOP to win they are going to have to put some type of abortion issue on the ballot to really have a chance since the majority of the folks here in Ohio have had it with the GOP and the corruption.

 

[SixFive]

Hillary=no chance to win for 2 reasons. First and most obvious, she's not a man and that will keep a lot of people from voting for her even if they like her (not just talking about men here either). Second, her politics are way to far left. Even the most moderate woman has no chance to win the presidency in the USA (at least not in 2008). It might happen sometime in the future, but not next time.

 

[Chadman]

I've really never considered Hillary's politics to be too far left on the liberal scale, and in fact I have thought she has been moving to the center in preparation of her run. She does support some of the liberal agenda, but I think she is pretty centrist for a democrat. What is she so left on? Maybe I have not been paying attention, entirely possible.

And I honestly think that the woman thing is close to a thing of the past. People certainly do not hesitate to vote for women to represent their interests in Congress and the Senate, and women are running some of the biggest corporations in the world these days. I think it's only a matter of time before that barrier is broken, and women wield a pretty large number of voters these days. It could be as galvanizing for women voters as it is a deterrent to men voters in many ways.

There is no doubt in my mind that she has the toughness, communication skills, connections and intelligence to wage the war that this election will be. I agree there will be a strong contingent of voters that will fall into the "Anybody but a Clinton" camp, but I don't think many of them would vote democrat anyway.