On-line Poker?

[cavs1234]

In another thread some posted saying that they play on-line poker at Paradisepoker and I was just wondering if anyone else plays there and if it is at all legit....any input would be appreciated....

[This message has been edited by cavs1234 (edited 08-15-2001).]

 

[Duncan]

I play there a lot - it seems very well run.

I have only just started playing there, two weeks, been doing very well, waiting for them to send me a check for some winnings.

Customer servce is very good - will e-mail you a response back within a couple of hours!!

Games are on all the time, with people all over the world. Highest limits are 20-40 Hold Em.

Like I say, I've only been playing there a couple of weeks, and I am waiting for my first payment - but it seems very professionally run.

The games are very live - lots of action.

I've looked at a couple of other poker sites and this one is clearly superior.

If you decide to come in, my name I play under is Brit33.

Good luck.

 

[SixFive]

I like that site as well. They will pay out with paypal also, so that's a nice option.

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It's far better to be LUCKY than good.

 

[tchism]

I requested a small payout last week and it was in the account in less than 5 minutes.

tc

 

[prospector]

how do you know everyone else at the table doesn't know each other? and they could be chatting with ICQ or MSN Messenger?

that would put you at a HUGE disadvantage!!!

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

Prospector, you just HIT the HUGE nail right on the head...!!!

 

[Duncan]

Well yes, but if it's a scam that will soon become apparent because you would lose continually.

The highest limits are at 20-40, and the buy-in minimum is $200, so if you dip your toe in - not risking too much.

I agree its open to possible abuse, but it seems on the up and well run.

If I do encounter any problems, or I get suspicious, I'll post immediatley.

Anyone else got any feedback on this??

 

[MadJack]

there 'can' be collusion but they have some sort of safeguards for that, not to mention the players are ALWAYS looking for suspicious play. there's no way you could get away with it regularly because you'd always have to be at the same table with your buddy or your other screen name. if the computer safeguards see anything suspicious, your ass is canned. i really don't think that collusion is a problem there. i can't win there but it isn't because i am or was being cheated. i really don't think so.

 

[Duncan]

Thanks MadJack.

I am playing there an awful lot recently, I'll alert on anything unusual.

Now, I'm going back to England for a couple of weeks next month - how do I get a MadJack T-Shirt (clean or dirty, I'm not fussy!!).

Hey, it's free advertising, internationally!!

 

[MadJack]

duncan,

i'm out of shirts. should have a new batch in 10-14 days. signup for the contest.

 

[marine]

collusion is a threat at online poker places... yup, but with paradise they are very VERY proactive against it. If you think you are being "cheated" by this method all you have to do is email them and they have every hand history at their fingertips and can review the hands in question and look for signs of collusion, then they will disallow certain players from playing at the same table in the future.

on another note... that place is FULL of bad beats and miracle river cards giving someone who had 2 outs the card they need to screw you over.

 

[phoenix566]

I've been playing there since seeing this post and watching a lot of hands.. I mean watching A LOT of hands. I am convinced this place is rigged somehow. Whether I am in the hand or not, there is always someone playing a hand they shouldn't be playing, who guess what, wins on the river card. Miracle rivers and bad beats describes this place to a tee. Not once did the miracle river help me. And from watching, it is the same people who win in this manner over and over again. Why would you continually bet a hand chasing a card??? No one does that in the real world with the frequency I see at PP. It's a shame I can't back my suspicion up with hard data but I would be very curious if any third party has tested their software for fairness and randomness.

I just played small to test out, but will never deposit $$ there again. I guarantee if I do it will soon no longer be my $$$. And not because I suck at poker, which I don't.

Be warned.........

 

[SixFive]

that's because they are no good imo. Guys that win on rivers all the time eventually lose. Good luck.

 

[ozball]

I've been thinking about this since marine's comments also. I suspect that the answer lies in the pace of play. You see 2 or three times as many hands (or more) per hour due to the automatic dealing, shuffling, etc, than you are used to in a poker room. So there are that many more bad beats in a given time to stick in your mind.

Maybe I'm too trusting...but I figure there is so much money to be made by these guys running a straight-up card room, why put it in jeopardy by cheating? They seem to have the respect of the poker playing community...so why risk blowing it all, when they have a pure money machine just collecting the rake?

just my 2c worth

ozball

 

[marine]

I am still not convinced there is cheating going on on PP part. BUT, think about it, if people are seen hitting their 2 or 3 outers on the river... will they be more likely to stay in and keep betting?

RAISING THE AMOUNT OF THE RAKE.

thereby increasing paradise's net pull on each hand.

also, its true, online you see 2-3 more hands per hour than you do real life. hence, bigger hands, more often.

 

[phoenix566]

I watched some of these 'no good' players in the 1 on 1 tables. Two of them chatted but didn't play, about the lack of 'fish' that night. Before leaving they teased each other by dropping pretty huge bankrolls on the table. One in excess of 10K. I understand that there are 'sharks' out there, but watching them in group play v. 1 on 1 play, I swear I were watching different players. These 'sharks' always seemed to 'know' when the river would give them a big score in group play. hmmmm. same thing in 1 on 1, but I'm sure there they were able to incorporate bluffing after having their 'fish' on the 'hook'.

Are you a 'shark' or a 'fish'?

 

[Flipper13]

I play there ocassionally when I'm craving to play poker but unable to leave the house. It seems okay. I play low limits incase of collusion so I wont get hurt too bad.

 

[marine]

the only place you are probably gonna find collusion is at the 20/40 or 15/30 tables. i just cant see guys busting their humps to cheat a 3/6 table online.
of course, if you do suspect collusion, tighten up your play. If you dont play garbage, you dont have to worry about it. Be the aggressor!
Last nite i was playing a 2/4 game of hold em and i thought things were a lil coincidental between two players... so i tightened up even more... BAM. in under one hour i raked in about 200 of these jokers.
on a 2/4 table!
there are fish out there, river rats, and sharks... game selection is key.
of course, if you are really itchin for poker, and afraid of the collusion aspect, just play the tournaments they have.

 

[parlayinn]

i dunno about collusion, but i do see way too often miracle river cards, (underdogs beating huge favorites), high hands beating other high hands (to raise betting and increase rake), etc. I know some people don't even bother playing pocket aces because they know they're just throwing their money away. K-3 seems to be a strong hand at PP. Funny thing is, when you switch over to tournament, these miracle draws disappear...maybe it's because rake is not determined by pot, since entry fee itself is 10% of buy-in. lol