Panic by Michael Lewis, and I agree with Jim Cramer...wow

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about three weeks ago started Panic which was edited by Michael Lewis, seems like a good choice currently.

roughly 390 pages that tackle the housing bubble, interent mania and other recent blow ups. most of the articles are ten pages or less, and some like Dave Barry spoof on real estate specualtion is worth the price of the book alone. learned a few things, but basically just a good book to learn about greed and fear.

never thought that I would agree with Jim Cramer, but read an article stating he likes Canada as a place to invest. he suggest bmo bank of montreal and almost a 5% div which is safe.

also that the cdn. banks did not get into trouble and the better regulatiions they follow..he believe you buy some now and slowly build up a position.

my biggest account is cash except for one small holding which is holding up well. I would wait there is no rush the market is not acting well.

resources and the cdn. dollar should come under pressure, just like the aus. dollars, but long term these are great stories.

so still waiting but happy just to sit back, will buy when the market starts showing more strength and slowly...never can call a bottom.

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I certainly agree Kirk--Canada would be in top 3 stable economies in the world IMO--Sitting on a ton of natural resources.
If they can continue to keep debt in unlike most countries--it will be the strong get stronger scenerio. I only have one complaint about Canada. They need to add another providence somewhere closer to equator. :)
 

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I certainly agree Kirk--Canada would be in top 3 stable economies in the world IMO--Sitting on a ton of natural resources.
If they can continue to keep debt in unlike most countries--it will be the strong get stronger scenerio. I only have one complaint about Canada. They need to add another providence somewhere closer to equator. :)

I would defiantly agree with that :00hour
 

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Thought this article was interesting--Is quite unusual for Klarman to ever step out with any comment--he is odd sort but very sharp IMO

Legendary Investor Is More Worried Than Ever

Seth Klarman is worth listening to, especially when markets go mad.
Mr. Klarman is president of the Baupost Group, an investment firm in Boston that manages $22 billion. His three private partnerships have returned an annual average of around 19% since inception in 1983?and nearly 17% annually over the past decade, as stocks went nowhere.
To measure Mr. Klarman's importance as an investor, you need only see the value his rivals place upon his words. You could have earned at least a 20% average annual return since 1991?better than twice the performance of the market?merely by buying and holding Mr. Klarman's book, "Margin of Safety": Published that year at a cover price of $25, hard copies now fetch up to $2,400.
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But the professorial Mr. Klarman speaks in public about as often as the Himalayan yeti. He made an exception last Tuesday, when I interviewed him in front of a standing-room-only crowd of 1,600 financial analysts at the CFA Institute annual meeting in Boston. He then made another exception, speaking with me over the phone later to clarify points that he feared had been misconstrued.
Mr. Klarman specializes in buying securities that nauseate other investors. As the credit crisis exploded, he put more than a third of his assets into high-yield bonds and mortgage-related securities. I asked him what he had meant, in a recent letter to his clients, when he compared the financial markets to a Hostess Twinkie. "There is no nutritional value," he said. "There is nothing natural in the markets. Everything is being manipulated by the government." He added, "I'm skeptical that the European bailout will work."
Some members of the audience gasped audibly when Mr. Klarman said, "The government is now in the business of giving bad advice." Later, he got more specific: "By holding interest rates at zero, the government is basically tricking the population into going long on just about every kind of security except cash, at the price of almost certainly not getting an adequate return for the risks they are running. People can't stand earning 0% on their money, so the government is forcing everyone in the investing public to speculate."
"We didn't get the value out of this crisis that we should have," Mr. Klarman told the audience. "For our parents or grandparents, it was awful to have had a Great Depression. But it was in some ways helpful to carry a Depression mentality throughout their later lives, because it meant they were thrifty with their money and prudent in their investment decisions." He added: "All we got out of this crisis was a Really Bad Couple of Weeks mentality."
You could have heard a pin drop as Mr. Klarman proclaimed, "I am more worried about the world, more broadly, than I ever have been in my career." That's because you can make good investing decisions and still end up with bad results if you reap your profits in currencies that do not hold their purchasing power, he explained.
"Will money be worth anything," asked Mr. Klarman, "if governments keep intervening anytime there's a crisis to prop things up?"
To protect against that "tail risk," said Mr. Klarman, Baupost is buying "way out-of-the-money puts on bonds"?options that have no value unless Treasury bonds plummet. "It's cheap disaster insurance for five years out," he said.
Later, I asked Mr. Klarman what he would suggest for smaller investors who share his worries.
"All the obvious hedges"?commodities and foreign currencies, for example?"are already extremely expensive," he warned.
Especially gold. "Near its all-time high, it's a very hard moment to recommend gold," said Mr. Klarman.
Mr. Klarman pointed out that his own ideas "on bottom-up opportunities in undervalued securities are more likely to be accurate than my top-down views on what's going to happen in the world at large." In other words, while you might want to insure against a disaster scenario, you shouldn't bet the ranch on it.
And, said Mr. Klarman, one of the best ways to protect against a decline in purchasing power is to buy whatever is "out of favor, loathed and despised." So forget about gold or other trendy hedges. Instead, wait patiently for markets?European stocks, perhaps?to get so cheap that they turn most investors' stomachs. Then you can pounce.
As Mr. Klarman put it, "Sometimes, when you can't figure out a good defense, the best thing to do is to go on offense."
 

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good article, the US and the cdn. economy were showing improving signs.

I thought the recent moves in Europe though probably not a long term solution, might by time. Greece and Spain passed bills to cut costs and raise revenue, not sure it would work.

the market is ignoring this, there is also a fear that Asia, China will slow, though copper inventories have declined the last three weeks...

agree with him on gold, believe it will trade in a range, though gold stocks have not had a big move (for the most part) and believe owning gold stocks and writing covered calls will do better than the market.

will wait with cash, before the rally on late Friday there was some good values, though did not buy...did not expect it to bounce back that quickly.

stocks watching to buy

Fortis on Toronto now around 25-26 below 24 and hits buy at 22

TRP low 30s

cdn. banks if they yield 6%, will wait about bank tax.

CUF.un cdn. reit, if it falls and can get 8% yield

many more on list. but these would be for yield and longer term holdings.

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was stopped out of bbd.b but bought back in, have the same position, small position.

also probably will make a sign stating to only buy bbd.b preferred.
the stock is down 20% on a few factors

the earning report latest missed the street, not a disaster, and the street probably was hoping more for on the plane sales side.

the porter ipo is being delayed, if it went through then porter would probably expand the fleet, a chance for bbd.b to sell planes. the porter ipo will go through, probably will not buy it, westjet is sometimes worth a trade, Air Canada avoid, and sometimes short, last time was long Air Canada was 1999 I believe. most airlnes are terrible investments.

at 4.95 trades just over 11X and yields 2% though div is not as safe as many other stocks.

I believe there is a chance for economic growth, and bbd.b is one way to play it, if the economy contracts bbd.b will drop, and probably do worse than the market.

however at 1-3% economic growth there is hope, another risk is how they do selling their planes and trains especially planes...

in some ways it is an infastructure play, and more volatile than SNC.

have a small position, have written puts yesterday on TCK.b (TCK) and CNQ, willing to buy these stocks 10% cheaper so wrote some options and picked up some premiums (which are very high) time will tell if it is foolish.

would rate bbd.b a speculative buy, but high risk.
have only a small position, if there is more trouble then the stop will be triggered again.

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KBS will have a write up on bbd.b on earnings ect. along with a few other stocks in a few weeks.

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