Patriots Trade DL Richard Seymour To Raiders

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FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The New England Patriots have traded five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Richard Seymour to the Oakland Raiders for a first-round draft pick in 2011.

The sixth overall pick in the 2001 draft, Seymour was a mainstay of a Patriots defense that won three Super Bowls. He had eight sacks last season.

The deal was first reported by ESPN on Sunday.
 

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i dont get this one.. I understand the upside with the 2011 pick and that they need to get younger etc.. but for a team playing for a championship now and a young secondary which is shaky that needs a strong pass rush. difficult to undrestand dropping the leadership and 8 sacks from last season. he took up mutliple blockers. hard to see a replacement with a similar impact on the current roster.

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Shades of Lawyer Milloy. That worked out.

Think they were getting tired of his injuries lately and he was expecting a big payday from the Pats

Maybe $$$$ freed up for Wilfolk?
 

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maybe...but he had 8 sacks last year and he IMO is much more important cog than Milloy ever was. It will be interesting to see how the d lineman look without him taking up double teams. I didnt expect them to sign him after this season I just figured they were makinga run this year and they need all the help they can get on that d IMO

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Breaking Down The Richard Seymour Trade


--SportingNews


So why would a Super Bowl contender deal away a five-time Pro Bowl, three-time All-Pro defensive lineman, who's still just 29, with eight days to go until the season started?

Pretty simple, actually. The four-year, $32 million contract Seymour signed prior to the 2006 season expires in February, and it became abundantly clear that the sides weren't going to reach a deal to extend that agreement. In fact, I'm told the Patriots informed Seymour that the club had placed a freeze on such mega-deals with the uncertain labor climate (and the uncapped year in 2010) looming.

As such, Seymour saw the writing on the wall, and the team knew that they had an unhappy player on their hands. It wasn't just the money, either. Seymour had complained publicly in the past about the club's handling on injury situations, and earlier in his career had a problem with the team pulling him from the starting lineup because he hadn't practiced prior to a game against Jacksonville, in order to attend his grandfather's funeral.

In both cases, there were two sides to the story (Seymour's readiness for a game without a week of practice could be an issue, and teams often say they bury injuries, in part, to protect players), but damage had been done, and Seymour was never fully a "program guy" again. There was also a short holdout prior to 2005 training camp, which got Seymour a bump in pay.

So what does this mean going forward? Follow the jump to find out ?

1) Seymour's chance to thrive: When he was put in a rotation to save miles on his body, Seymour publicly said he wanted to play more in passing situations. With that wish granted, he was employed often as a 3-technique tackle (shading the outside shoulder of the guard) in the team's nickel and dime packages, and led the Patriots with eight sacks. Oakland's not an ideal situation for any player, because of the mess that franchise has become, but Seymour should be able to get upfield and use his athleticism more, as a full-time 3-technique tackle, instead of playing as a 5-technique end. That will help save his body, in a less-physically demanding role, and set up a big contract (if the Raiders don't give it to him now).

2) Signs that Belichick Will Be Around: With his contract situation constantly shrouded in secrecy, there's always been a question as to how long Bill Belichick will remain in New England, no matter how many times he emphasizes that there's no plan to walk away on the horizon. This should tell you that's absolutely true. If you've got an exit strategy in place, you don't deal one of your best player for a draft pick that two years away from being utilized.

3) Where's the Value?: Because of the stability in the organization, and job security of the decision-makers, the Patriots have always been aggressive in moving something from today for greater value tomorrow. Witness a 2007 draft day trade, where the Patriots dealt the 28th pick to San Francisco for a 2008 first-round that, after some moving around on the '08 board, netted them Jerod Mayo(notes). But there is risk involved. Before the 2006 season, the Patriots dealt Deion Branch(notes) to Seattle, and with Branch struggling during his time as a Seahawk, it looks, on the surface, as if the Patriots made out like bandits to get a first-round pick. But consider this: The 2006 Patriots were a furious Colts comeback away from Super Bowl XLI, and had they got their they likely would've dispatched the Bears. A big weakness was at receiver, one that showed up in that game, was at receiver. Could having Branch have meant winning that game? Sure, and that's where the real cost of dealing Branch was, in going into the season with a sizeable hole on the roster.

4) Oakland's thinking: Well, the Raiders love big interior linemen, and have to hope this one works out better than Terdell Sands(notes) and Tommy Kelley did/have. Seymour's a proven commodity, which is what the other two aren't. But the real problem is the contract situation. By dealing for a contract year player without a new agreement in place, there's the risk you're basically giving up a premium draft pick to rent a player. Yes, they could tag Seymour. No, he won't be happy about it, and sure would show his displeasure.

5) The Window: One problem with that 2011 first-round pick?Will the window of opportunity still be open for the Patriots? This move is about extending that window, but it's worth noting that Brady will be 34 when that season opens, and Moss will be inching towards 35 (if he's even re-signed after his current deal expires that offseason). And that's without considering a very possible '11 lockout. This relates to the Branch example. Sure, it's nice to have a full complement of draft picks. But if you cost yourself championship opportunities now, by trading one of the few impact defensive players you have left, and that opportunity has dwindled by the time you get to use those picks, then what good is that? I believe the Patriots will contend as long as Belichick's there, but they're contending at the highest level now, and there's a chance they won't be then.
 

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NFL.com's Jason La Canfora writes that he'd be "very surprised" if Richard Seymour reports to the Raiders without a new contract.

Seymour only has one year left on his old deal. La Canfora says he "gets the strong sense" that Seymour is willing to sacrifice weekly game checks as negotiations go on. It's unclear if the Raiders even approached Seymour about a mega contract, however. After surrendering a future first-round pick, Oakland risks not having the defensive end for Week 1 and beyond. Sep. 7 - 8:52 pm et
 

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That could obviously end up being the #1 or #2 overall in 2011. Thing is, belichick will probably trade that pick down anyways.
 

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Heres a article from Jerry Callahan,a boston herald collumist,plus can be heard on sports radio WEEI on morning slot M-F.

Patriots go on offensive with a bold raid of Al Davis
Gerry Callahan By Gerry Callahan
Thursday, September 10, 2009 -

Most NFL coaches would have treated the call from Oakland like an e-mail from Bob Gamere. They would have blocked their ears and ducked under the desks until the ringing stopped.

Everyone knew what the Raiders were looking for - Help, now, please, before crazy Al sheds his mortal velour sweatsuit! - and with the regular season about to begin, most NFL coaches wouldn?t want to take a moment to listen.

The Raiders were offering a draft pick for sometime in the next decade in exchange for an impact player today, which means some NFL team would have to agree to get worse. One week before the first game. Are you serious? It would be like trying to sell an annuity to a Jack Russell. Who would do such a thing? Certainly not a team with notions of getting to the Super Bowl and winning it all.

That was the conventional wisdom, and that is why the Patriots [team stats] did just the opposite. They gave the Raiders a five-time Pro Bowler who has 16 games left on his contract. In return, they got a draft pick that should land them a player who will make an impact in New England for eight or 10 years. It was like giving a crackhead 20 bucks for his grandmother?s diamond. Maybe you don?t feel good about it, but you kind of know you?re getting the better end of the transaction.

It was such a great deal for the Patriots that you had to wonder: Why didn?t anyone else pull the trigger (perhaps a team that is in full rebuilding mode)?

The answer, of course, is obvious: They didn?t have the guts. Sometimes Bill Belichick outsmarts them, and sometimes he just outnerves them, and in this case, he made a simple swap: The Patriots organization got a whole lot stronger over the long haul while his job got a little tougher for the next four months. And he will never come out and say it because he doesn?t come out and say anything, but we?ll do it for him: Belichick isn?t conceding a thing in the 2009 season. Belichick just thinks he can win without Richard Seymour [stats]. Let?s face it: The coach didn?t think quite as highly of Big Sey as did the Pro Bowl voters, the media, the fans, or the nutty old guy in Oakland.

The Patriots two years ago were one play away from the greatest season in NFL history. Seymour played 12 games in 2007 (including playoffs) and had 1 sacks. He bounced back nicely last year, staying healthy for 15 games and tying his career high with eight sacks, but in the end, it didn?t matter. The Patriots failed to make the playoffs.

Since last we saw them in action, the Patriots shed four captains, 22 Pro Bowls and 67 years of NFL experience. And that, of course, is just on defense. And yet here is your lead-pipe lock of the season: This team will be better than 11-5. It will stroll to perhaps its easiest and earliest division title ever. Even after unloading Seymour, the Patriots remain a heavy favorite in Las Vegas to win it all this year, and there is a good reason for that. The Best Offense In NFL History is back together. Yes, Seymour is gone, but look at this way: That?s one fewer guy to jump on Tom Brady [stats]?s back for the ride.

Two years ago at this time, Brady, Randy Moss and Wes Welker were just getting to know one another when they took the field together for the first time. They went out and made football history. Last year there was a little knee issue for the quarterback, but here they are, together again. So why exactly can?t they pick up where they left off? They added Fred Taylor [stats], Chris Baker, Joey Galloway. Why can?t they just keep firing it downfield and slinging people to death like they did for the first 18 games of 2007?

Obviously, there are concerns on the defensive side of the ball, but they?re nothing 411 yards and 37 points a game can?t solve. Last year the Arizona Cardinals reached the Super Bowl with a defense that was ranked 28th in the NFL. In 2006, the Colts won it all with the 23rd-best defense in the league. Sure, the ?85 Bears and 2000 Ravens won it with defense, and that?s one way. The Patriots this year plan to do it another way.

If nothing else, Brady and the offense will buy the young defense time to work out its problems and find its identity. If Ron Brace is the guy who will be expected to fill Seymour?s shoes, he will have time to ease into the role. If the plan is to shift to a 4-3, the Pats can be patient. The AFC East is as top-heavy as Pam Anderson.

The Dolphins had one of the easiest schedules in the league and almost no injuries last year. Now their schedule is the toughest in the NFL. The Jets have a rookie quarterback and a rookie coach. In Buffalo, T.O.?s team will probably be eliminated before his reality show. The Bills are almost as sorry as the Raiders.

In the end, the Seymour trade was shocking, but it shouldn?t have been. The Raiders screwed up, the Pats took advantage. Big surprise. Belichick was playing chess while Al Davis was playing Parcheesi. Now the Patriots begin the season with the best quarterback, the best offense and the best chance to win it all. And that probably goes for next season and the season after that, too.
 
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