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Got an email a few hours ago saying I made a paypal payment for 250 bucks to some person I have never heard of. Took me about 20 minutes of internet searching to find a paypal phone number, and then, after I briefly talked to a woman, she switched me to an answering machine. I've heard bad things about paypal, but I've never had a problem until this. Any suggestions? I'm not liking this one bit.
 

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email this guy:
ryank@paypal.com

i've never had a problem but emailed him with a problem i was having getting my paypal payment to a sportsbook and he replied within about 6 hours. he was very helpful.

let me know how this works out for you.

i use paypal many times per week (sometimes 5 figures) and i've never had a problem.
 

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in the meantime, change your password ASAP.
 

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Dam, read how fast Paypal is growing !!! Was thinking of buying some Equities in the company,about $25 per share.
Paypal is growing leaps and bounds every month. Millions of transactions this year and last,growing all the time. To me this comp. (tied in with E Bay) has only one place to go,as it just listed a few months ago...
Read some of the comp. news, it will tell you alot about this 'small' company that is going places..
Spanky......;) ;)
 

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I emailed ryank after I read your post yesterday, Jack. Still no word. This stuff always seems to happen on a holiday weekend. I still have no idea who this money was sent to or what is supposedly was for.

It was transferred to a cherylvessey@imeg.org I looked up www.imeg.org, and it's some unfinished site that just has a parent directory that won't load and a stats page that u have to have a password to access.

My account is certified which means that if I want to send money, it can be drawn straight out of my bank account. This 250 withdrawal shows on my paypal account, but it has yet to be taken out of the bank account.

Since the money has not been transferred yet, and they froze my account, does that mean I'm in the clear here, or can it still get taken out?

Spanky, I didn't understand your comment, but I gather it's sarcastic, and I'm not sure what u mean by it as it relates to me.
 

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hopefully he hasn't answered because it's a holiday weekend. i'd email him again and again until he responds.

they froze your account?!

i can't imagine that you'd be responsible since you didn't authorize the charge.

since i've never really had any problems with paypal, i don't have a solid answer about your problem. please keep us informed and let us know how it works out for you.

damn :(
 

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this is some scarey shit. i have never had a problem and have had 100's of transactions but now i'm getting a little worried.

here is a link to a forum that can answer many of your concerns.

http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showforum.php?fid=3

i am posting the FAQ from this site here. let us know how things work out for you.


What is PayPal's phone number?
Contact Information for PayPal:

Their toll free number is (888) 221-1161

Another toll free number is (800) 836-1859

Yet another toll free number is (877)672-9725

Their regular line is: (650) 251-1100

Their fax line is: (650) 251-1101

Their mailing address is:

PayPal
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145


Their corporate offices are at:

1840 Embarcadero Rd.
Palo Alto, CA 94303
US


The Nebraska office is at:

Paypal
11128 John Galt Boulevard
Omaha, NE 68137
(402) 935-2000
(402) 935-7733



Search the forums for additional contact information.

How do I close my PayPal account?
You'll have to log into your account first. Then click on "help," then "contact us" and then on the left click on "account basics," then "my profile," and the right bottom you'll see "How do I close my PayPal account?" We also recommend that you remove any checking and credit card accounts before you close your account.

They froze my account and demanded that I fax them documentation. I did, but they said they didn't get it. Now what?
Welcome to the world of PayPal customer service. At one time we were told PayPal only had one fax machine. That's right, 12 million supposed members, 2 million active sellers and only 1 fax machine? Others have been told the same thing in the forums. Our advice: get all the documents they ask for. Make 2 copies of each. Create two sets of documents and put each sent into a large brown envelope and mail them certified mail, Return Receipt Requested, to the two addresses we have for PayPal (above) with a letter explaining the situation. If they give you another address to send to, make a 3rd set, and send it also. But you should send them certified mail, RRR, so you can prove that you did, and when you did it. When you get your green cards back in the mail, if PayPal has not resolved the problem, make copies, and write your letter to the Attornies General of your state, California and Nebreska. Include your letter to PayPal, your copies of the green cards and a letter asking that the AG's start an investigation. Don't bother playing the fax game. It's either a con on their part, or they keep their fax machine in the monkey cage at the San Diego zoo. (Or the CEO's office, not much difference.)


What other service can I use to accept card cards if not PayPal?
See the Options Page. We also suggest going back to checks and money orders until you find a suitable alternative. If you do enough volume in sales, then a merchant account would be a better choice, (on the options page) but you'd need to do at least $500 a month to make it worth your fees.


Why do you hate PayPal?
We don't hate PayPal. (Okay, maybe a little...) We were one of their earliest users, and we "toughed it out" like everyone else during those days. We stayed loyal to PayPal during the outages; the crashes; even the ugly "orange on white/orange on gray" website. ;-). What we don't like is how they have treated us and others since those early years. We'd be very happy if PayPal would stop abusing people, start recognizing traditional banking laws, and get rid of the fee to transfer paypal funds from user to user. (non-credit card funds.) We also don't like being hung up on when we call (a frequent occurance if you read the forums) and we don't like the stupid (and we do mean stupid) responses from their first level "customer service" representatives. Issues that could be solved in 5 minutes takes weeks, even months to be resolved. Also the automated email messages that have nothing to do with your questions are annoying too.


Then why are you trying to "bring them down?"
We are not trying to "bring them down." We want PayPal. We need them for our business. We loved the idea that the "little guy" could now compete with the bigger, faceless, corporate companies. But here's the problem: you can't do business with a company that doesn't respect your rights. You never know what egg shell you might step on that will explode the mine that is known as PayPal.


I've been ripped off by PayPal, what can I really do?
Click Here (Please only use this information for legitimate complaints.) At a very minimum, you should write a letter to your state's attorney general, and the California and Nebreska attornies general informing them of your problems with PayPal.


How do I join the class action lawsuit?
At this point, you are probably already part of the suit just because you are a member of PayPal. But you should click on "links" and then the lawyers listed there. If we find other legitimate suits that have been filed, we'll put their links there also.


Has anyone actually won a law suit against PayPal?
Based on the email we get and at least one media report, yes. A man in California sued to have his account "unfrozen" and money returned. We don't have any more details than that. Others have emailed us stating that they hired an attorney and the attorney's original contact was enough to get the Paypal account in order.


Why are so many people angry at PayPal?
Read the forums.


Are you part of PayPal?
No, not even close. We have zero affiliation with PayPal. We don't work for them, we don't own any of their stock; they don't own any part of us. We are just users of their service like everyone else. Just users that a) got tired of their treatment and b) motivated enough to put up this site.


Can you help me resolve my problems with PayPal?
We provide information to help you resolve your problems with PayPal. We provide contact information that PayPal makes difficult to find. We also provide additional phone numbers and addresses that are not publically made available. We provide forums where you can talk to others who have been abused by PayPal and share ideas. We also provide media contacts if you'd like to try and get your story out to an even bigger audience. We also provide information on how to contact government agencies and lawyers that may be able to assist you in your fight with PayPal.


How do you know that PayPal employees really come here?
Every webserver on the net maintains it's logs. In those logs is various information about you, your ISP, how you found this site and other information. For instance, your IP is: 65.214.226.238 . Clicking on your IP will tell you who "owns" your IP. Actually all this is done automatically for us via our log program and it simply shows how owns the IP in question and tabulates them. In addition we have been able to cross reference posters to this site back to AOL and Earthlink accounts. In fact, we can go even further and find the location of the origin for the user. Sometimes we have traced them back to Palo Alta or Omaha. (PayPal's central office and service center.)


How many times does PayPal come here?
On average, 0.6% of all our visitors are from a PayPal owned IP.


How does that compare? That doesn't sound very high.
AOL is the largest ISP in the world. They account for 3.3% of our visitors. (on average). Other large ISPs like ATT, IBM, RoadRunner, COX, etc are in the 0.5-3% range. Each of those has millions of users. PayPal has 318 employees in the US, and another 100 in India. So based on the numbers, PayPal users are 15,000% more likely to come to this site than the internet community at large.


Can't they "hide?"
Sure, and that's what makes the numbers very conservative.


What should I do?
We are not lawyers and we can't give legal advice. We recommend that people keep their PayPal balance as low as possible. Remove funds immediately. Also, use a second banking account for Paypal and as soon as those funds are in there, move it to your main account. Be prepared to stop using PayPal at any time. "Un-tangle" yourself from them. Yes, it's a huge hassle, we know! Their shopping cart and buy it now buttons are great times savers. Just realize if your account gets frozen, paypal allows your customers to continue sending you money at the same time they stop you from withdrawing it. (This is almost certainly illegal. It's called "conversion" and is a crime in all 50 states. In addition, your customers will probably start complaining to you because they paid, but you didn't send their items.) You might not even be able to access your account to verify payment, change or remove your email addresses, or even deny payments. Now you are seeing the big problems with PayPal.


I have a question or comment not answered here. What should I do?
It's preferred that you post it in the forums but you can also contact us directly. (Please note: if your question has been answered above, we will probably not reply, as we have no more information to give you. We cannot contact PayPal on your behalf to resolve your problems. This is something you'll need to do.)
 

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Well, I got the first emails Friday about this unauthorized charge, then we had the holiday weekend. The funds had not yet been removed from my account. Well, the 250 bucks was promptly removed this morning from my bank account. Still no word from paypal other than the emails I got Friday saying that they were looking into it. I emailed Ryank again today, Jack. This really sucks.

Still no word either from cherylvessey@imeg.org Have no clue who this person is. www.imeg.org is some phony looking site.

Jack, I have seen the paypal sucks thing before, but I just thought it was somebody with a hidden agenda. No luck either in calling them today. This really sucks. I will keep it updated here. Thanks for your help.
 

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I just got off the phone with them again. After I argued with the girl that answered and demanded I speak to somebody in the investigations department in stead of a machine, she transferred me, and I did talk to a real person, a woman named, Jeana.

My account says that the charges have been reversed, and I have a pending amount of 242 and change going back to my account.

I asked her if it looked on their records like I had made this transaction. She said it did, but that the transaction was made on a different computer and that my password had been compromised!!! WTF!!!???? I've always heard about hackers, but I guess this is where it hits home! She asked SPECIFICALLY if I had the same password on my ebay account, which I do, and she said that could be the problem????? WTF does this have to do with ebay????

I asked if they would be prosecuting, and then she started getting vague with me. She said I could fill out a subpeona locally with the city police department (yeah, right, I'm sure our police department has boocoodles of experience dealing with internet fraud/theft), but she also said that she could not divulge processes in the past and if any of these hackers had been prosecuted. :rolleyes: I told her I would be happy to fill out any sort of affidavit to help with prosecution, but she seemed to not be interested. A legal question here, is $250 the max u can defraud somebody and still be a misdemeanor? Say if this person would have charged out $251 or more is it then a felony?? I know the number used to be $100, but that has probably changed by now.

I do forsee another problem as well. The first girl said that I needed to change my account because it shows my name and my wife's name on it and that paypal does not allow joint accounts. I then said, well, how did I get a joint account then if u don't allow it. She then said it was all user operated and that when the account was signed up for, we just did it wrong. I think this might involve faxes to paypal, and i've read at paypalsucks.com how that is a real trial and that they say they don't get the faxes, etc.

This whole thing has really sucked and tried my patience. I'm glad it's just 250 bucks! I'm going to start working on that change now so in case I do get my money back it won't be frozen in my paypal account forever. I hope nobody else has to go through this bs!

Jack, RyanK never emailed me back either.
 

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Ryan K just emailed me and said he would look into it. Thanks for that referral, Jack, and thanks, Ryan if u read this thread.
 

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SixFive:

Just a little info about imeg.org & paypal, one interesting thing is that more times than not there is always a name attached to the Admin contact, not "hostmaster"......I just removed all my bank acct. info (I don't use them much). What I did is set up a checking acct. for just paypal type of stuff. Please don't use you main acct., keep in mind it is the internet.

GL

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Domain Name: PAYPAL.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
PayPal, Inc. Hostmaster (PI2724-ORG) hostmaster@PAYPAL.COM
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Update

Update

Paypal emailed me today that the restrictions on my account had been lifted and that my claim of an unauthorized use has been resolved. The money is back in my paypal account now, and I directed the transfer back to me.

Ryan from paypal emailed me a few times, and I think he might have helped to expedite my claim.

I would like to know who this person is that got my account password and did this and how they got it. I don't know if paypal prosecutes or not. The information I filled out online serves as an affidavit according to the email.

Anyway, I'm disappointed in the Paypal customer service, but I am pleased that they took care of it in 6 business days.

Hope this doesn't happen to any of y'all.
 
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