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Especially after the news from Aces, people should be very wary of Paypal. If you haven't heard the horror stories, look around on the net and see what some people like us have to say.

And to beat it all, their stock rises 60% after their IPO today. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!
 

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Read This About PayPal! PayPal Being SUED!

Read This About PayPal! PayPal Being SUED!

Class-action suit follows Web payment service's IPO

By Lisa Napoli

MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR

Feb. 21 ? Less than a week after its blockbuster debut on the Nasdaq stock exchange, online payment firm PayPal has been hit with a class-action suit charging it with improperly administering users accounts and poor customer service.
THE SUIT WAS FILED in Superior Court in Santa Clara County, California late Wednesday seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages. PayPal could not be reached for comment Thursday morning.

A spokeswoman for the law firm Jacoby and Meyers said the firm have received "thousands" of complaints against PayPal.
The firm gathered many of those complaints from a link posted on one of several Web sites set up by angry PayPal users, where current and former users of the service regale each other with horror stories of frozen accounts and bad customer service.

"It appears there are many issues really ? holding on to consumers' money, without clear guidelines, for no apparent reason, and very, very poor ability to communicate back to the consumer," said Gail Koff, a co-founder of New York-based Jacoby and Meyers, which filed the claim.
"In some instances it's a lot of money, in some instances, it's not. It's ... a hugely frustrating situation, as is exemplified by the complaints. And you can't talk to anyone about it. There's a big black hole of nothingness."

A spokesman for PayPal said he could not comment because the company is in a post IPO quiet period.

Difficulty in tracking down PayPal customer service representatives is a frequent complaint made by PayPal users, who say that in the aftermath of notices regarding their accounts they have been unable to communicate with company representatives.

On the consumer Web sites, Paypal phone numbers that have been sleuthed out by users are posted with pride for the benefit of others.

The suit charges that "the Company deliberately conceals the contact information of its customer service from the users."

Perhaps the larger issue is the charge that PayPal mismanages customer accounts.
One of two plaintiffs named in the class action suit, Lanskoi Kirill, found his account, which contained $30,000, frozen earlier this year when he tried to withdraw funds from it. An automated message explained that "an unusual use of funds" led to the account restriction.

After faxing various documents to PayPal, Kirill said his account is still frozen.

The suit alleges that such incidents are a result of an overly cautious stance on the part of PayPal.

"As a result of its inability to set up an adequate and effective anti-fraud mechanism and its attempt to compensate for such inability, PayPal adopts an aggressive and grossly over-broad anti-fraud policy that persistently causes erroneous and wrongful restrictions of access to be imposed on user accounts ? causing economic damage and financial loss to a significant number of innocent PayPal account holders," reads part of the 20-page complaint.

In its SEC filings, PayPal paints a different picture of its customer service, claiming that its has over 400 workers handling customer phone calls and e-mails, and it responds quickly to inquiries.

However, the suit quotes PayPal chief executive Peter Thiel in one published report a year ago as saying the company "wildly underestimated" how quickly the business would grow. Advertisement

In January, 2000, the company had ten thousand users. Just two years later, it boasts over 13 million users around the world.

PayPal is widely used by buyers and sellers on eBay as an alternative to credit cards. It has also become popular with other online merchants who are not set up to accept credit card transactions, or who want to offer an alternative for consumers.

Koff said the timing of the class-action suit was not tied to last week's much-publicized initial public offering by the firm, which was heralded in the media for being the first dot-com IPO in close to a year. "We have been looking in to this for a long while," Koff said. PayPal's stocked opened on the Nasdaq market Friday, soaring 54% from its opening price of $13 a share.

Koff also said the suit is also in no way related to two patent-infringement suits filed against the company, one which delayed PayPal's IPO by a week.

Nor is it connected to pre-IPO rumblings about an investigation into PayPal by the Louisiana Attorney General's Office. John Travis, that state's commissioner of financial institutions, said on Wednesday that a letter sent to PayPal was "blown plumb out of proportion" in the media and was a routine matter asking PayPal to comply with a new law governing wire transfers of money. He said the company has "cooperated with us and done everything they can" as far as filing necessary paperwork to transact in the state.

Talk about levying class-action suits against PayPal peppers the various PayPal-complaint Web sites, but this is the first to be filed.

"This is an effective way of bringing attention to the problem," said Koff. "It gives people a voice."
 

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Crack Rat,

First off love the data, but it seems you have issues with money and online transactions, I feel ya bro I am cautious also. Let the better beware, although I do have a suggestion. Get a credit card with a set limit (i.e 1K), call the card company and tell them under no circumstances is that limit to be raised. Then use that card online, otherwise then find a local book or a friend in NV. that will make your wagers. There are many other avenues to make plays, if you are that worried about a few grand, then maybe you need to evaluate your situation.

just my .02 (not meaning to be a jackass, just my opinion. I was taught - "bet big to win big" my father circa - hell who knows, he preached that my whole life :D)

take care & GL
 

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I use Paypal a lot and am concerned with some of things going on. However, it appears that almost all of the complaints are centered around buyers and sellers on items on the web.

It apparently only takes one person to say that you didn't send a purchased item and they freeze your account.

So transactions with Off-Shore books doesn't concerne too much.

What does concern me is how the issue of them being an unlicensed bank and how that will eventually be settled. The lawsuit just will bring it up quick.

Of the sevices available, Paypal is the quickest, most reliable and the cheapest.

Another way that I recommend to people is to set up a checking account, with a visa check card. Make this account your "betting" account. DO NOT USE YOUR EVERYDAY CHECKING ACCOUNT. Since this is not credit, these check cards can be used at any off-shore book or casino.

The bottom line is BEWARE and try to spread out your money. This whole industry is unregulated and will always be a crap shoot.

That is until Vegas gets in the act. Then maybe we can rest easier knowing that they will be regulated.
 

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I heard on a local radio station down here in Fort Lauderdale that some states are taking action to outlaw the use of Paypal.
'think they said it has already been outlawed in Alabama.
 

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I don't like the fact that they want you to register your checking or savings account with them and give them your acct # and routing transit number. Could they make withdrawls from your account with this info?
 

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"Could they make withdrawls from your account with this info?"

ummm...yeah thats kind of the point. You can withdraw money from your bank account to paypal and use it to buy things, or in this case send it to an offshore book and/or you can withdraw money from the book to paypal and deposit it to your bank account.
 

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HOYA: I'M NOT AS DUMB AS YOU LOOK. I KNOW HOW TO USE IT, BUT WHEN YOU GIVE THEM YOUR ROUTING TRANSIT NUMBER AND BANK ACCOUNT, I WAS ASKING IF THAT GAVE PAYPAL THE ABILITY TO MAKE UNAUTHORIZED WITHDRAWLS FROM THE BANK ACCOUNT...

:rolleyes:
 

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No they cant...that would be against the law....oh thats right your not that dumb...so why did you ask in the first place? If you dont trust them then dont use them, its that simple.
 

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Stealing is against the law and it happens all the time. There are lots of banking schemes floating around where people have less info and can get your money. I did not post a question for a smart ass remark from a novice like you. Did it make your day to give yourself a guffaw when you tried to make a snide comment like you did earlier? If it did, I am glad I could help you out. You don't have to shoot very high when you live in a basement do you??? And since when is someone dumb for asking a question? :rolleyes:
 

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dude wtf is your problem? The only one who made any smart ass comments or snide remarks was you. You asked a question i thought because you didnt know how paypal worked. I answered your question trying to help and tell you how it works then you reply with all CAPS calling me dumb and acting like an ass. Well, i'm sorry for trying to help you, i wont do it again.
 

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"Could they make withdrawls from your account with this info?"

ummm...yeah thats kind of the point. You can withdraw money from your bank account to paypal and use it to buy things, or in this case send it to an offshore book and/or you can withdraw money from the book to paypal and deposit it to your bank account.

That is where the snide began. I don't have a problem with you. And I'll be sure I don't come to you for any help picking games. Have a nice day.

:cool:
 

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Anyone have this problem with them now??

Anyone have this problem with them now??

I've had this Paypal account for over a year now and all of a sudden, I can't do an Instant Transfer into my account.

Now it says Echeck is the only option (4 days). I just made a couple of deposits yesterday.

I have a friend who has the same problem, and of course, I can't reach them on the phone.

Thanks for the help,

will have to pay Neteller 2.9 to use my atm card.
 

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just got off the phone with them

just got off the phone with them

they are giving some bullshit how their "module" changes payment types, the guy was rattling on and on about it.

He said to try later, but I know they changed it on me.

Why in the world would I want to do an echeck and wait 5 days??

That is incredibly stupid

With all the bs going on with the sportsbooks and now even more problems with depositing into them, its not even worthwhile doing it online anymore.
 

chump

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discovered something else

discovered something else

I tried to send money to my friend, and it gave me the instant transfer option

then i tried to send it to wagerstreet and that option disappeared

this is bullshit


why would that change overnight like that???

so now everytime i want to deposit i have to pay a 2.9 fee at neteller to use my atm card.

its not right
 
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