Pelosi's and tuna-someone explain

samayam

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 19, 2006
265
0
0
House OKs new minimum wage
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 11, 2007

The House overwhelmingly approved a raise in the minimum wage yesterday, hailing the first increase in 10 years as a principle of basic fairness that will lift millions out of poverty.
"This is a matter of fairness," Rep. John Lewis, Georgia Democrat and civil rights icon, said of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, the second of the six bills that new House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised her party would pass. "This is a matter of human decency. This is a matter of human dignity."
The bill, approved yesterday on a lopsided 315-116 vote that prompted cheers from the new Democratic majority when the roll call was announced, would raise the minimum wage over two years from the current $5.15 per hour to $7.25, with intermediate steps at $5.85 and $6.55.
Democrats backed the bill by 233-0, while Republicans opposed it by 116-82.
But what Mr. Lewis called matters of fairness and human decency and dignity will not reign over all U.S. soil.
Although the legislation specifically extends for the first time the federal minimum wage to the U.S. territory of the Northern Mariana Islands, it exempts American Samoa, another Pacific island territory that would become the only U.S. territory not subject to federal minimum-wage laws.
"It's ironic to me that one of the first bills they bring up that promises across-the-board fairness for all has an exception," said Steve Forde, Republican spokesman for the House Education and Labor Committee.
Democrats agreed yesterday that pay rates in Samoa should be raised and that the minimum wage should be uniform across all U.S. territories. But, they said, the working conditions in the Northern Mariana Islands are "screaming out" for immediate attention.
The loophole pleases the tuna corporations that employ thousands of Samoans in canneries there at $3.26 an hour -- an industry-specific rate set by the U.S. Department of Labor. They have lobbied Congress for years, arguing that imposing the federal minimum wage on Samoa would cripple the economy by driving the canneries to poor countries that don't require a minimum wage.
One of the biggest opponents of the U.S. minimum wage there is StarKist Tuna, which owns one of the two packing plants that together employ more than 5,000 Samoans, or nearly 75 percent of the island's work force. The other plant belongs to California-based Chicken of the Sea.
StarKist's parent company, Del Monte Corp., is headquartered in San Francisco, which is represented by Mrs. Pelosi.
A spokeswoman for Mrs. Pelosi said yesterday that the speaker has not been lobbied in any way by StarKist or Del Monte.
:shrug:

co-winkey-dink or does something smell fishy? (sorry, had to)
 

djv

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 4, 2000
13,817
17
0
Na those 82 that didn't bite got promised all the tuna for life they want. I got a great idea lets set the top pay for our Congress and Senators at 10 bucks. Bet they all still do real well with all those kick backs.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,421
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
Saw that also but see it as another gotcha.

More concerned on their Chavez socialist economics wanting gov to 1st regulate oil companys and now drug companies pricing.

What has the gov ever ran that was efficient--free enterprise has made this country what it is.

You have one of best examples of free enterprise working in drug market with Wal Marts $4 ** drugs--and whats dems answer--go after Walmart :shrug:
My suggestion to Rebs would be make it mandatory that everyone has to finish high school--so they are smart enough to figure this shit out themselves. :)
 

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
71
Boston
If she is a disgrace, which it looks like she is, she should be exposed and removed.
 

Roger Baltrey

Registered User
Forum Member
Sep 13, 2005
2,888
17
38
I work in the heathcare industry and they will have as many Dems in their pockets as Republicans. The best solution is a split government because there is a plethora of scumbags (Delay, Prick Cheney, Pelosi, Murtha) on both sides of the aisle. So far, this woman looks like a narrow minded vindictave leader more interested in evening scores than doing what's right for the country. But it's a wash because Delay was the oiliest scumbag in the history of the house. Guess we can't really win. I have always liked a split government because it reduces the excesses on both sides.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Cant understand why left leaners despise this type of behavior but when the rightee's get caught doing this they have no problem with this. Just shows you who has the countries best interest on their mind instead of their ole mighty wallet.
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,555
214
63
"the bunker"
Cant understand why left leaners despise this type of behavior but when the rightee's get caught doing this they have no problem with this. Just shows you who has the countries best interest on their mind instead of their ole mighty wallet.


this post should be followed with...(dat dat dat dat dadada dat dat dat dee dee umm
do do do dee dee dee dee dooooooowho)..../circus music needed....



they "despise " it when they GET CAUGHT.......has anyone explained just how the american samoan exception came about?.....

and whether or not lugosi ever excepted any campaign contributions from del monte?....

everybody`s contrite when they`re caught......

how did this happen?....

ohhh...i see.....it`s just another "honest mistake".....

much like sandy burglar using his underpants as a carrying device...
 
Last edited:

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
71
Boston
Not sure what Weasel is babbling on about. To a man here no one brushed Pelosi and Tuna-Gate aside. If she is crooked, which she must be because she hasn't called for Bush's impeachment yet, then she should be removed. And any Dem's who side with her should also be sleeping with the fishes.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Not sure what Weasel is babbling on about. To a man here no one brushed Pelosi and Tuna-Gate aside. If she is crooked, which she must be because she hasn't called for Bush's impeachment yet, then she should be removed. And any Dem's who side with her should also be sleeping with the fishes.

funny stevie what she did if its true saved people jobs most likely or the would have done the republican thing which is outsource it and watch a bunch of americans lose their jobs. So although what happen here i don't like its not like screwing millions of americans or war profiteering or stealing, lying or all the other symbolys of the republican party. I have to read more of this to see the whole story. You see right now the republicans fighting as hard as they can with this prescription pill bill. They will go to the end for these pharmaceuticals and to hell with the people.
 

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
71
Boston
funny stevie what she did if its true saved people jobs most likely or the would have done the republican thing which is outsource it and watch a bunch of americans lose their jobs. So although what happen here i don't like its not like screwing millions of americans or war profiteering or stealing, lying or all the other symbolys of the republican party. I have to read more of this to see the whole story. You see right now the republicans fighting as hard as they can with this prescription pill bill. They will go to the end for these pharmaceuticals and to hell with the people.
Agreed Sponge, I don't know much about Runa-Gate right now. I just don't trust the witch because she has said she doesn't want to impeach Bush. These Dems were voted in because we voted the Repubs out because they sided with Bush on the war. Any Dem who sides with Bush on the escalation of it should also be removed.
 

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
I think the only situation where she should be "removed", essentially, would be if she took bribes or some such thing under the table. Not saying that's not possible, but of course would have to see it. If you are going to eliminate any legislator that has worked to pass legislation supportive of campaign contributors, then I would guess you would only have one term legislators every term. I mean seriously, I would think that any of us that post here would do the same thing. Why would individuals not work more in bahalf of those that back them? I understand the face value of being completely objective, but I don't think we'll ever get to a complete no-money-involved set of standards unless we change from democracy to something else.

I think it should be examined whether she actually received major campaign contributions from these two companies, and then we would be able to connect the dots better.

I also understand a good dose of partisanship for the new leadership, considering the blasting they have taken for the past few years. I don't want it to disintegrate into total polarization, but I do want them to be strong and stand up for the things they campaigned on, and what the majority of Americans clearly have said they want to see happen. At some point, one side or the other has to come down from the ledge...but don't know how it can be done, really.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Agreed Sponge, I don't know much about Runa-Gate right now. I just don't trust the witch because she has said she doesn't want to impeach Bush. These Dems were voted in because we voted the Repubs out because they sided with Bush on the war. Any Dem who sides with Bush on the escalation of it should also be removed.

Oh i agree Stevie but the problem is if she does the neocons already have their talking point an they say she is tying things up instead of working to get things done for the country. Then simpletons like Weasal and DTB, Freeze run with it because they have no mind of their own. Then if you ask these three what about all the Ken Star garbage they have no answers unless the Neocons have a good one for them. Im not even sure the Neocons could come up with one. They are clever tho cause they pride themselves on the weakminded but they might be stuck on this one. If you ask me this is the whole democratic problem. Id say to hell with these pieces of shit and go after them. To hell with their bullshit about not supporting the troops and stop the funding. In my opinion you need to attack these pigs and then explain what the hell you mean. That is what Murtha did but they keep trying to slime him. He comes back and gives these phonies more every time i see him on. Its just so sad it has to be like this but these are greedy creeps who's major goal in life is to be the richest guys in the cemetery. But what can you do? If you are semi informed you believe these assholes. If your not informed you believe them. If you are informed and a kind person you can't fathom them being liars like this. And if you can see a con job ten million miles away you know these guys are pigs. The problem here is there are only 20 percent of us. Its so easy to see a caveman could see it.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
I think the only situation where she should be "removed", essentially, would be if she took bribes or some such thing under the table. Not saying that's not possible, but of course would have to see it. If you are going to eliminate any legislator that has worked to pass legislation supportive of campaign contributors, then I would guess you would only have one term legislators every term. I mean seriously, I would think that any of us that post here would do the same thing. Why would individuals not work more in bahalf of those that back them? I understand the face value of being completely objective, but I don't think we'll ever get to a complete no-money-involved set of standards unless we change from democracy to something else.

I think it should be examined whether she actually received major campaign contributions from these two companies, and then we would be able to connect the dots better.

I also understand a good dose of partisanship for the new leadership, considering the blasting they have taken for the past few years. I don't want it to disintegrate into total polarization, but I do want them to be strong and stand up for the things they campaigned on, and what the majority of Americans clearly have said they want to see happen. At some point, one side or the other has to come down from the ledge...but don't know how it can be done, really.

I know how it can be done. A salary cap. the only thing i would agree on with a tax increase You raise our taxes 1 percent and take out all donations to campaigns. Now each side gets a certain amount and this way you can find who is the most legit canadate.
I can guarantee tho this fair way of dealing with this no neocon would go for.
 

djv

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 4, 2000
13,817
17
0
This better not be true that the Mexicans were going to get payed more then the Samoans.
 

BetterUp

Registered User
Forum Member
Mar 4, 2005
123
0
0
And I bet you guys thought Pelosi was a liberal. She is obviously a neo-con. A liberal wouldn't do such things. The righties should be proud of her for acting like them.
 

samayam

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 19, 2006
265
0
0
From todays WSJ opinion section.

Pelosi's Tuna Surprise
January 16, 2007; Page A20
Economists of every political stripe agree that a higher minimum wage will cost some low-skill workers their jobs. But don't believe us; just ask Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The House last week whooped through an increase in the minimum wage to $7.25, by a vote of 315-116. But, lo, included as part of this boon to the working man was a loophole: The new, higher wage floor applied to all of these United States and its territories -- save for the Pacific outpost of American Samoa. In the immortal words of Congressman Patrick McHenry (R., N.C.), "There's something fishy going on here."

It turns out that American Samoa has a big fish and tuna canning industry, specifically operations run by StarKist and Chicken of the Sea. Both companies are headquartered in California, and StarKist's parent is located in none other than Ms. Pelosi's own San Francisco district. So faster than you can say "middle class squeeze," Democrats rediscovered the eternal economic truth that a higher minimum wage can cost jobs and granted Samoa its reprieve.

They have a good point. In 2004, according to the Department of Labor, Samoan canneries directly employed some 4,800 people, or nearly 40% of the work force. StarKist and Chicken of the Sea would have plenty of other low-wage locations to do their canning. The average hourly wage for the American Samoan canneries in 2004 was about $3.60. In contrast, the average cannery wage in Thailand was 67 cents an hour and in the Philippines 66 cents.

You don't have to go as far as American Samoa to discover other liberals who understand this -- at least when they do the hiring. In 1995, the union-financed lobby, Acorn, sued California seeking exemption from the state's then-$4.25 minimum wage. Acorn argued in its court brief that, "The more that Acorn must pay each individual outreach worker -- either because of minimum wage or overtime requirements -- the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire." As liberal economist Joseph Stiglitz once wrote: "A higher minimum wage does not seem a particularly useful way to help the poor."

None of this insight will do American Samoa much good, however. Red-faced after her tuna surprise was discovered, Speaker Pelosi announced late last week that she was directing her cannery compadre, California's George Miller, to re-examine whether the bill also should apply to the Pacific island. Maybe the poor Samoan workers who lose their canning jobs can relocate to Thailand.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top