takin KC +3 , if all you can get is 2?, buy the hook.
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Phil/KC
- Thread starter Allnet
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Gotta lean towards Philly.
Philly will bounce back after a poor offensive showing against Washington, I'll take the better team even if they're on the road in the cold.
Philly- 23-13
Philly will bounce back after a poor offensive showing against Washington, I'll take the better team even if they're on the road in the cold.
Philly- 23-13
Dizzayton--First off--I don't think either one of these teams will be in SB. Not only did Phil have poor defensive game last week, check out the offense in the box score. I think, if Trent Green can keep int's out of play, I give the chiefs a shot, not only to cover but to win outright. Just looked at some NFL stats, here is what I found.
Rushing:
KC #2 138 ypg/32.4 attempts/4.28 per attempt
Phil #16 109 ypg/26.6 attempts/4.10 per attempt
Passing:
KC#20 202 ypg/31.4 attempts/18.4 completions/6.45 ypp
Phil#31 130.4 ypg/29.6 attempts/14.7 completions/4.47 ypp
Defense:
KC#14 315 ypg//96.4 rushing/218 passing
Phil#24 341 ypg/125 rushing/216 passing
QB Rating
McNabb 87.61
Green 65.06
TD/INT
McNabb 16/5--HOW MANY PASSING?HOW MANY RUNNING?
Green 9/16
Phil is 4-0 on the road, are they good enough to go 5-0
This game will come down to green not throwing any INT's again, and of course Phil stopping Gonzales. I'll take KC as home dog with lack of vertical game for Phil, Gonzales, and vermeil going against one of his old teams. He coached this team years ago and would love to beat em. IMO.
Of course McNabb is a horse, but with out a strong running game and lack of vertical game, plus trying to go 5-0 on the road, I'll try the Chiefs here. I'm telling you this Gonzales will/can kill a team if all goes well. Not only Phil trying to go 5-0 on the road, but Chiefs are trying to improve upon home field playing. Phil poor game last week was no surprise at all, afetr dallas, plus running into a hot streak of the Skins. Last week 10 of 13 NFL games won outright by road teams, if things come back to .500 then, again, I like the Chiefs. If weather was a factor last week for Eagles, then I like my chances with the Chiefs at home, if weather is a question this week. Good luck on your selection, but remember this is the NFL (WWF). If selections are made on QB ratings and TD/int ratios then Eagles could be the right side. One man can not win the game for the Eagles, just ask the Vikes, three men could not win their game the other night.
Not trying to be argumentative at all, just giving some of my reasons.
GL
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Rushing:
KC #2 138 ypg/32.4 attempts/4.28 per attempt
Phil #16 109 ypg/26.6 attempts/4.10 per attempt
Passing:
KC#20 202 ypg/31.4 attempts/18.4 completions/6.45 ypp
Phil#31 130.4 ypg/29.6 attempts/14.7 completions/4.47 ypp
Defense:
KC#14 315 ypg//96.4 rushing/218 passing
Phil#24 341 ypg/125 rushing/216 passing
QB Rating
McNabb 87.61
Green 65.06
TD/INT
McNabb 16/5--HOW MANY PASSING?HOW MANY RUNNING?
Green 9/16
Phil is 4-0 on the road, are they good enough to go 5-0
This game will come down to green not throwing any INT's again, and of course Phil stopping Gonzales. I'll take KC as home dog with lack of vertical game for Phil, Gonzales, and vermeil going against one of his old teams. He coached this team years ago and would love to beat em. IMO.
Of course McNabb is a horse, but with out a strong running game and lack of vertical game, plus trying to go 5-0 on the road, I'll try the Chiefs here. I'm telling you this Gonzales will/can kill a team if all goes well. Not only Phil trying to go 5-0 on the road, but Chiefs are trying to improve upon home field playing. Phil poor game last week was no surprise at all, afetr dallas, plus running into a hot streak of the Skins. Last week 10 of 13 NFL games won outright by road teams, if things come back to .500 then, again, I like the Chiefs. If weather was a factor last week for Eagles, then I like my chances with the Chiefs at home, if weather is a question this week. Good luck on your selection, but remember this is the NFL (WWF). If selections are made on QB ratings and TD/int ratios then Eagles could be the right side. One man can not win the game for the Eagles, just ask the Vikes, three men could not win their game the other night.
Not trying to be argumentative at all, just giving some of my reasons.
GL
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Hooks appreciate comment, thanks.
Would like to have Raymond weigh in on this one. He have a good handle on the eagles. Waiting !!!!
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Would like to have Raymond weigh in on this one. He have a good handle on the eagles. Waiting !!!!
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One more question---how have the dogs done on Thursday's this year--anyone got a quick answer.
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I remember 4 Thursday games:
INDY favored beat KC in KC and covered
BUFF as dog beat JAX in JAX
DET & DALL on Turkey day - both lost but covered spread.
The Indy Road Fav line was -3.
This game smells like a pass....but for pool selection I gotta go with KC (+3.5)
INDY favored beat KC in KC and covered
BUFF as dog beat JAX in JAX
DET & DALL on Turkey day - both lost but covered spread.
The Indy Road Fav line was -3.
This game smells like a pass....but for pool selection I gotta go with KC (+3.5)
Allnet: Your info clearly shows that KC has the better stats and should be the winner as you say. But have you looked deeper into the stats as far as strength of schedule goes? Did KC run up its stats on weak patsies? I have the feeling this might be the case.
Common opponents
Oakland KC lost 24-27 Phil lost 10-20
NYG KC lost 3-13 Phil won 10-9 shoulda lost 3-9
Arz KC lost 16-24 Phil lost 20-21 and won 21-7
Wash KC won 45-13 Phil lost 3-13
Sea KC won 19-7 Phil won 27-3
KC plays Oak and Pitt close games
Phil plays STL 17-20
KC lost to Oakland,Pitt, Indy(shootout),Giants at home
Phil lost to oakland,STL,Arizona, washington at home
As far as patsies go, you have to be the judge of that. I think there are a lot of patsies in the NFL.
Key players for Phil will be McNaab,Thrash,Staley
Key plaers for KC will be Green,Gonzales, Holmes
Green has to play well
After Phil sputtered with Giants , they sputtred with oakland. KC has not sputtered offensively BB games.
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Oakland KC lost 24-27 Phil lost 10-20
NYG KC lost 3-13 Phil won 10-9 shoulda lost 3-9
Arz KC lost 16-24 Phil lost 20-21 and won 21-7
Wash KC won 45-13 Phil lost 3-13
Sea KC won 19-7 Phil won 27-3
KC plays Oak and Pitt close games
Phil plays STL 17-20
KC lost to Oakland,Pitt, Indy(shootout),Giants at home
Phil lost to oakland,STL,Arizona, washington at home
As far as patsies go, you have to be the judge of that. I think there are a lot of patsies in the NFL.
Key players for Phil will be McNaab,Thrash,Staley
Key plaers for KC will be Green,Gonzales, Holmes
Green has to play well
After Phil sputtered with Giants , they sputtred with oakland. KC has not sputtered offensively BB games.
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The stat site that I use has the Eagles D as giving up 275 yards a game, 5th best in the league. Not that stats are everything, but if you are using them in your handicapping, you might want to double check them.
Just think the game comes down to the Eagle defense being able to shut down Preist Holmes and making Green beat him, which won't happen.
Think the Eagles win handily.
Just think the game comes down to the Eagle defense being able to shut down Preist Holmes and making Green beat him, which won't happen.
Think the Eagles win handily.
I do think if QB is key, the rating and ratios go to McNaab. I got stats from USA Today, unless i went blind.
Just looked again:
Defense eagles Rushing gives up 118 pg
Defense eagles passing gives up 157 pg
total 275 ypg
KC Defense ruahing gives up 134 pg
Kc defense passing gives up 184 pg
total 317 ypg still pretty close
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Just looked again:
Defense eagles Rushing gives up 118 pg
Defense eagles passing gives up 157 pg
total 275 ypg
KC Defense ruahing gives up 134 pg
Kc defense passing gives up 184 pg
total 317 ypg still pretty close
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This is the No Friggin Logic League. Eagles look like the obvious choice coming off a loss at Washington. It will be the public play tonight. Eagles -3 or so. I think the line is 3 for a reason. Why would you think the Chiefs would even have a chance against McNabb and company? Eagles SB bound, i don't think so. A little unorthodoxed reasoning, but I'll take my chances getting points at home.
Kansas City has not lost 4 home in some time(Trying to find how long) wanna say last ten years.. Good Home dog here.. I like KC getting the points @ home
