Playboy jouranlist tries to endure 15 secinds of waterboarding.
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Thanks Chad
Hadn't seen that one,however has common denominator to most--intense one minute and their their normal and joking about it the next.
Wonder who came up with technique and how long it has been used?
Hadn't seen that one,however has common denominator to most--intense one minute and their their normal and joking about it the next.
Wonder who came up with technique and how long it has been used?
I started using it in 1981 on my sister. The military heard about it and the next thing you know, I'm getting my picture taken with Caspar Weinberger.
That would be so cool if they just used other forms of torture from childhood . . . .
"Why you hitting yourself, Akmed, why you hitting yourself. . . . "
mancow,playboy....and wikipedia...lol...that clinches it....we`re the monsters...lol
those who get waterboarded get to live....those who suffer being captives of jihadis get beheaded or tortured to death....
if it saves even one american life from these animals, i say its worth it. ...no permanent injury, no physical trauma....
/i know....now that theres a dissenting opinion it goes to the dumpster or political...
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those who get waterboarded get to live....those who suffer being captives of jihadis get beheaded or tortured to death....
if it saves even one american life from these animals, i say its worth it. ...no permanent injury, no physical trauma....
/i know....now that theres a dissenting opinion it goes to the dumpster or political...
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a bit of history on it - contrary to what the media might want you to believe, Bush/Cheney/CIA did not invent waterboarding
The Washington debate over the simulated-drowning technique may be new, but the practice is not. It predates the Inquisition and has been used, off and on, around the world ever since.
Its use was first documented in the 14th century, according to Ed Peters, a historian at the University of Pennsylvania. It was known variously as "water torture," the "water cure" or tormenta de toca ? a phrase that refers to the thin piece of cloth placed over the victim's mouth.
At the time, using water to induce confessions was "a normal incident of law," Peters says, and people viewed it more or less as we view a cross-examination today. If anything, Peters says, the Inquisitors "were more careful about it" than others of their time.
"They were professionals," Peters says, noting that a doctor's presence was required during interrogations. Not that it made the experience any more pleasant for the victim, of course.
Leaves No Marks
"The patient strangled and gasped and suffocated and, at intervals, the toca was withdrawn and he was adjured to tell the truth. The severity of the infliction was measured by the number of jars [of water] consumed, sometimes reaching to six or eight," writes Henry Charles Lea in A History of the Inquisition of Spain.
"The thing you could not do in torture was injure the body or cause death," Peters says. That was ? and still is ? what makes waterboarding such an attractive interrogation technique, he says: It causes great physical and mental suffering, yet leaves no marks on the body.
Waterboarding actually refers to two different interrogation techniques. One involves pumping water directly into the stomach. "This creates intense pain. It feels like your organs are on fire," says Darius Rejali, a professor at Reed College in Oregon and author of a new book, Torture and Democracy.
The other technique ? the one more widely used today ? involves choking the victim by filling their throat with a steady stream of water ? a sort of "slow-motion drowning" that was perfected by Dutch traders in the 17th century. They used it against their British rivals in the East Indies.
A Turning Point
A turning point for waterboarding ? in any form ? came around 1800. As the Enlightenment swept across Europe, many countries banned the practice and people, in general, found it "morally repugnant," Peters says. Waterboarding moved underground, but did not disappear by any means. In fact, it has experienced something of a revival in the 20th century.
The interrogation method was used by the Japanese in World War II, by U.S. troops in the Philippines and by the French in Algeria. In Cambodia, the Khmer Rogue used waterboarding against its own people. The British used it against both Arabs and Jews in occupied Palestine in the 1930s. In the 1970s, it was widely used in Latin America, particularly under the military dictatorships in Chile and Argentina (where it was known as "Asian torture.")
Details are hard to come by, since no government will openly acknowledge using the interrogation method. Over the years, the technique has been modified slightly. The Japanese, for instance, used teapots to hold the water, and cellophane is sometimes used instead of a cloth. But waterboarding has changed very little in the past 500 years. It still relies on the innate fear of drowning and suffocating to coerce confessions.
Waterboarding reached the U.S. via a circuitous route. The Spanish exported the practice to the Philippines, which they colonized for centuries. It was then adapted by U.S. forces there at the start of the 20th century and, eventually, adopted by some police forces in the U.S.
During the Spanish-American War, a U.S. soldier, Major Edwin Glenn, was suspended from command for one month and fined $50 for using "the water cure." In his review, the Army judge advocate said the charges constituted "resort to torture with a view to extort a confession." He recommended disapproval because "the United States cannot afford to sanction the addition of torture."
Yet President Theodore Roosevelt defended the practice. "The enlisted men began to use the old Filipino method: the water cure," he wrote in a 1902 letter. "Nobody was seriously damaged."
finding out information regarding a terrorist attack is serious business.....i'm not arguing this should become a standard interrogation(and it was not,in fact) technique for regular everyday use, but if deemed necessary, it should still be an option for the president.....
like after 9/11 when no one knew what(or where) was coming next....
like after 9/11 when no one knew what(or where) was coming next....
GW, the wiki article provides links for each of the categories of those that are said to oppose the practice. Please take the time to read them before rejecting the article in such an offhand manner.
i read a few...i get the drift of their argument...they live in a theoretical world... it`s an unpleasant thing to do but a damn sight better than watching scores of innocents die....
would you waterboard one of these monsters if you thought it could save a family member?... or that of a fellow madjacker?...
that`s their opinion...not mine....there are just as many that disagree with the "theoretical argument" and choose to live in the real world...
i`m still waiting to see the shock jocks and playboy journos who "volunteer" to jump out the window of the 70th story of a highrise to prove a point.....
subjecting khalid sheikh mohammed to this technique or seeing (again) what some in new york saw from their apartment windows on the morning of september 11, i would not hesitate to choose the former.....
maybe it would make some that place the well being of the terrorists above the lives of americans feel better if we changed the terminology?...like homeland security chief napolitano did with the word "terrorism"....she calls terrorism "man made disasters"...lol
so,maybe if we just called it an "underwater contingency operation",we could circumvent all the over-sensitivity and absurd posturing?...:lol:
lemme see...waterboarding 3 hight profile al qaeda monsters vs watching scores of innocents die?.....
seems a no brainer...
the 3 gitmo jihadis had a choice..daniel pearl and so many other behead-ees didn`t...the wtc victims didn`t...the young sailors on the cole didn`t...the folks at khobar towers didn`t...the young soldier who was was just shot to death in front of a recruiting center didn`t...
my sympathy meter reads zero for terrorists...
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Can pretty well watch the videos and determine the "torture inference" they immediately recover and yucking it up minutes afterwards.
Doubt those with heads chopped could do the same
Maybe all those that oppose KSM being water boarded can send their complaints to Danny Pearls family--and remember to have your name and return address listed.
Doubt those with heads chopped could do the same
Maybe all those that oppose KSM being water boarded can send their complaints to Danny Pearls family--and remember to have your name and return address listed.
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laughable, I love how torture is ok. And we are comparing the way we carry ourselves with how a terroist group run their own operation. Too funny:mj07:
I always thought America was supposed TO SET THE BAR OR STANDARD TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE....but I see is ok to torture becuase it was done to a few of our citizens. Hmmmm, so I guess it would be ok for N Korea or any other crazy bastid to drop a nuclear bomb dead square in the middle of the Nation and wipe out half of our population because we once did it.....nobody would agree to that now would they, so its only an eye for an eye when we are repaying the favor, but if it's our turn to lose an eye...we wanna quit the game..some of you guys are too funny. No need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, we can play as the terrorist play.
I always thought America was supposed TO SET THE BAR OR STANDARD TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE....but I see is ok to torture becuase it was done to a few of our citizens. Hmmmm, so I guess it would be ok for N Korea or any other crazy bastid to drop a nuclear bomb dead square in the middle of the Nation and wipe out half of our population because we once did it.....nobody would agree to that now would they, so its only an eye for an eye when we are repaying the favor, but if it's our turn to lose an eye...we wanna quit the game..some of you guys are too funny. No need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, we can play as the terrorist play.
laughable, I love how torture is ok. And we are comparing the way we carry ourselves with how a terroist group run their own operation. Too funny:mj07:
I always thought America was supposed TO SET THE BAR OR STANDARD TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE....but I see is ok to torture becuase it was done to a few of our citizens. Hmmmm, so I guess it would be ok for N Korea or any other crazy bastid to drop a nuclear bomb dead square in the middle of the Nation and wipe out half of our population because we once did it.....nobody would agree to that now would they, so its only an eye for an eye when we are repaying the favor, but if it's our turn to lose an eye...we wanna quit the game..some of you guys are too funny. No need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, we can play as the terrorist play.
1)al qaeda ian`t a nation state...they don`t observe geneva convention stipulations..they beat their women for showing an ankle or speaking to the wrong man...they hang homosexuals for being homosexuals...they cut of people`s heads for being "non-belivers"...they send down`s syndrome sfflicted people into marketplaces with bombs strapped on them...
2)how`s about you and your family upholding that higher standard....we`d all appreciate it...if you don`t mind your wife,children,mother,father,sister,brother dying a horrible death because some monster told our interrogators he wanted to speak to his lawyer,that`s fine....
if we could only uphold your sense of morality by making YOU the target without the rest of us suffering the consequences,i`d be all for that...you could do the rest of us a favor and hold the moral high ground with a bunch of murderous reprobates who would cut your head off as soon as look at you...
if that were possible,,i say by all means,sacrifice YOUR OWN family...of course,truth is, you only assume your theoretical position because you believe,"this can`t happen to me or my family"....if you thought it was your family in the crosshairs,you`d rescind your position as sure as night follows day........
it`s o.k. if other americans/canadians,non-believers die as long as it meets your moral code....yeah,that`s the ticket!...
unfortunately,that`s not the real world we live in..
do yerself a favor,j.z.j....pick up liberal alan derschowitz` book,"why terrorism works" and give it a read...it`s fair and balanced...and an excellent read....broaden your horizons...
/i`m sure hardened a.q. opearatives are laughing their asses off about us arguing about water boarding....:lol: :nooo:
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Last time i checked Weaz The triple K( I hate to print the letters) and plenty of these other HATE groups here in our United States of America ARE doing these same horrifc crimes you speak about, gays being murdered, all kind of ethinic crime going on, so YES it does affect my family, Im sorry Im not in Iraq or another foreign country but here ON MY HOME SOIL THESE ACTS ARE BEING COMMITTED and yet I dont see those OLD FOLK being tortured for info or waterboarded for info. BUT because its a few foreigners or people outside of your good standards its OK to do it across seas. Why arent YOU and the rest of the WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO EXTRACT INFO FROM DANGEROUS PEOPLE GROUP ORGANIZE rallies and cry that we be a little harder on those terroristic groups here in the US....they could explode and do some real damage, maybe thats because they arent targeting you? Ummm to say I wasnt affected by a terrorist asking for a lawyer or that it doesnt bother me, is bullshit Weaz, but being allowed a lawyer IS THE LAW, sorry if I am wrong, but dont judge someone from what you think and have beliefs in...my younger sister and a good friend of mines BOTH were very close to and or supposed to be in those towers that were brought down, by the grace of GOD they fortunately were not and unfortunately for many others they were caught in the mayhem death and destruction and I feel VERY SORRY for those that were lost, but I STILL dont believe that it is ok to do anything outside the rulebook, and evidently this is boarder line to outside the rule book, but I see your morals are those of which if it betters your position you'll go all in....just the other day you were explaining about how your insurance plan may go up a few dollars due to the new system being implemented that may help so many OTHER AMERICANS but since it hurts you a little you just cant have it? defending and crying for AMerican justice on one hand SOMETIMES, then other times I see the fuck you buddy, I got mines you better get yours, Lets help ALL AMERICANS fuck it, lets waterboard every terrorist until we solve terrorism and bring world peace. Well while at it we should break any law or rule we want because WE CAN ITS SAVING AMERICAN LIVES, THEN lets start going after our own dangerous citizens because they could also destroy plenty of American lives.:shrug:
I dont believe in monsters...
:142smilie Fair and balanced:142smilie maybe the book had no bias views, but would that be the same fair and balanced views that FAUX NEWS has?:violin:
Last time i checked Weaz The triple K( I hate to print the letters) and plenty of these other HATE groups here in our United States of America ARE doing these same horrifc crimes you speak about, gays being murdered, all kind of ethinic crime going on, so YES it does affect my family, Im sorry Im not in Iraq or another foreign country but here ON MY HOME SOIL THESE ACTS ARE BEING COMMITTED and yet I dont see those OLD FOLK being tortured for info or waterboarded for info. BUT because its a few foreigners or people outside of your good standards its OK to do it across seas. Why arent YOU and the rest of the WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO EXTRACT INFO FROM DANGEROUS PEOPLE GROUP ORGANIZE rallies and cry that we be a little harder on those terroristic groups here in the US....they could explode and do some real damage, maybe thats because they arent targeting you? Ummm to say I wasnt affected by a terrorist asking for a lawyer or that it doesnt bother me, is bullshit Weaz, but being allowed a lawyer IS THE LAW, sorry if I am wrong, but dont judge someone from what you think and have beliefs in...my younger sister and a good friend of mines BOTH were very close to and or supposed to be in those towers that were brought down, by the grace of GOD they fortunately were not and unfortunately for many others they were caught in the mayhem death and destruction and I feel VERY SORRY for those that were lost, but I STILL dont believe that it is ok to do anything outside the rulebook, and evidently this is boarder line to outside the rule book, but I see your morals are those of which if it betters your position you'll go all in....just the other day you were explaining about how your insurance plan may go up a few dollars due to the new system being implemented that may help so many OTHER AMERICANS but since it hurts you a little you just cant have it? defending and crying for AMerican justice on one hand SOMETIMES, then other times I see the fuck you buddy, I got mines you better get yours, Lets help ALL AMERICANS fuck it, lets waterboard every terrorist until we solve terrorism and bring world peace. Well while at it we should break any law or rule we want because WE CAN ITS SAVING AMERICAN LIVES, THEN lets start going after our own dangerous citizens because they could also destroy plenty of American lives.:shrug:
I dont believe in monsters...
:142smilie Fair and balanced:142smilie maybe the book had no bias views, but would that be the same fair and balanced views that FAUX NEWS has?:violin:
the kkk?......you`re comparing the kkk to al qaeda?.....islamic terrorists?....you`re serious?...
i`ll tell you what...i`ll list all the islamic terrorist murders that happened around the world throughout 2008...and you list all the kkk atrocities.....
i`ll just give islamic terrorist murders throughout the last 2 months...and you take kkk murders throughout 2008 up to the present....
and lets see how these threats measure up....
hows about 100 bucks to the guy with the bigger list?... cause this moral relativism b.s. argument you`re trying to make is an embarrassment...
here`s a start..
2009.06.16 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 56-year-old female Buddhist teacher is gunned down by Muslim militants as she is riding to work.
2009.06.16 Thailand Pattani 2 2 Two policemen are blown up in a Mujahideen bombing.
2009.06.16 Somalia Galgalato 6 0 Six people are killed in an al-Shabaab attack.
2009.06.15 Iran Tehran 7 12 Basij Islamic hardliners open fire on demonstrators, killing seven.
2009.06.15 Philippines Maguindanao 1 3 A civilian is murdered in a Moro Islamist ambush.
2009.06.15 Pakistan Swat 2 0 The bodies of two men, kidnapped earlier by Sunni fundamentalists, are found. i don`t think they were waterboarded
2009.06.15 Iraq Baghdad 6 25 Six Iraqis are killed in various terror attacks.
2009.06.15 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamists behead a Buddhist laborer outside a plantation.
2009.06.15 Yemen Sanaa 9 0 Women and children are among nine foreigners kidnapped and executed by Shiite fundamentalists.
2009.06.15 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist janitor is shot to death on his way to work by Muslim militants
2009.06.14 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 9 36 Nine people are incinerated by a Taliban bomb at a marketplace.
2009.06.14 Pakistan South Waziristan 3 2 Three people are blown to bits by Taliban bombers.
2009.06.14 India Srinagar 0 0 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen members shoot a man to death inside his home.
2009.06.14 Iraq Mandali 6 0 al-Qaeda militants machine-gun six Iraqis to death as they are sitting on a minibus.
2009.06.13 Afghanistan Farah 2 0 Religious extremists murder a woman and her husband as they are traveling to her hospital.
2009.06.13 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A female nursery teacher is shot to death by Islamic radicals.
2009.06.13 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two Buddhist villagers, a husband and wife, are gunned down by Mujahideen in cold blood.
2009.06.13 Afghanistan Paktia 4 2 Three construcution workers and one other civilian are murdered in two Taliban attacks.
2009.06.13 Thailand Yala 1 12 Dedicated Muslims throw a grenade into a bus packed with Buddhists, killing at least one.
2009.06.13 India Poonch 2 2 Two boys are blown apart by a Mujahid landmine.
2009.06.13 Pakistan Kohat 2 6 Two people are killed by Islamic bombers.
2009.06.13 Iraq Baiji 1 7 Sunni bombers manage to kill a young girl traveling with her family.
2009.06.13 Afghanistan Helmand 8 21 Eight delivery drivers are killed when a Shahid suicide bomber detonates in a convoy.
2009.06.13 Philippines Parang 6 10 Six local troops are killed in an Abu Sayyaf ambush.
2009.06.12 Iraq Balad Ruz 1 1 A 17-year-old girl is shot to death in her home by Sunni terrorists.
2009.06.12 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 A lawmaker is among six people murdered by a teenage Fedayeen.
theres about 4 day`s worth....your turn at bat...
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Guys, I've watched 24 and I know. Jack Bauer pushes the limits but it must be done, he truely cares about the well being of our country.
On the 4th of July we have decided to see who of my friends can take waterboarding the longest. I've seen two different ways to do it. One they had a shirt or something covering the persons face and the other was with nothing covering the face. Do you any of you know the "correct" way to do it? If anyone wants, I'll post some videos. I think we'll have close to 500 in the pot for the winner so we'll see who can take it. I know I won't be able to, I have a BIG fear of drowning.
On the 4th of July we have decided to see who of my friends can take waterboarding the longest. I've seen two different ways to do it. One they had a shirt or something covering the persons face and the other was with nothing covering the face. Do you any of you know the "correct" way to do it? If anyone wants, I'll post some videos. I think we'll have close to 500 in the pot for the winner so we'll see who can take it. I know I won't be able to, I have a BIG fear of drowning.
it`s uncomfortable,my buddy.......that`s the idea...i understand this is a gray area....my argument is when the reality of what we were really up against after 9/11, set in, it was a different ball game than what we have been fighting 50 years prior to that....
can it be torture? ...i`m sure some arguments support it....there are several different ways of doing it...some more insidious than others...
i agree it would be monstrous to be easy and cava lier with its use...but,it would be foolhardy to believe that we would never be confronted with instances where its use could be justified....
unfortunately,this subject is now a political football and risks our being able to ever use it....we all know the danger is real....the world is not a safe place....
all i`m saying is if they used this in the extreme scenario it is reserved for, i say do it yesterday. ...by virtue of the fact this enemy comes to the game expecting to martyr themselves, i don't know how much the thought of water boarding is a deterrent in the big scheme of things when it all boils down....
but when you`re laying there and the water is filing your sinuses,even hardcore animals like shiek ksm seem to have a change of heart about talking...
if not this coerced method of interrogation doing no lasting harm,then how do we get really bad people to tell their plans to kill us?..
after all,isn`t that the information we`re tryiing to obtain?...how they`re going to KILL US?...lol
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