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kneifl

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I know a lot of people that live on the East Coast read both The New York Times and The Washington Post. I am curious to see what others think about these 2 newspapers as I have began to read both of them along with the Washington Times as well living out here. What are your opinions of these publications? I am used to reading just one newspaper, but now it seems like I am starting to like different parts of these for different reasons, and not just one newspaper.

Maybe this sounds like a stupid question or post, but I'd like to hear opinions...

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I don't read the NY Times, but do read the Wash Post and Wash Times. I don't have time to go into a long disertation on what a liberal paper the Post is...so I read both for a more balanced view. Bet you did not know that the Times is owned by the Moonies?! Anyway, for Sports I like the Times a lot, especially for the Skins coverage. They don't seem to be in ownership's back pocket like the Post is. I will give the Post credit for their columnists and balanced reporting on the Os and baseball coming to the DC area (hopefully).
 

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K:

You have really touched on a "hot button" issue with me. I can't resist taking a shot at this topic.

THE WASHINGTON POST
First of all -- The Washington Post is the most blatantly anti-gambling newspaper in the country. It's not even close. This is a newspaper that continuously hammers all pro-gambling initiatives -- both local and national -- on its editorial pages. For example, it is perfectly willing to let 100 years of thoroughbred racing in Maryland go down the drain because they are so set against any expansion of gambling at the area tracks -- Pimlico, Laurel, Rosecroft, etc.) that might increase the purses and allow Maryland racing to compete with Deleware, West Virginia, and New Jersey. Furthermore, the Post sports section is an absolute joke. It provides horrendously narrow coverage slanted heavily towards local teams (without any depth whatsoever) and is now so "politically correct" they give fully a third of coverage to women's athletics (no bash against women's sports, but the WNBA does not deserve the same amount of coverage as the NBA, let's face it). As for sports lines -- FORGET IT! No baseball lines. Ever. No NBA lines. Ever! No NHL lines. Ever! Furthermore, the Post has its lips firmly glued to the NCAA's azz, as they will not print lines on college sports. As for pro football lines, the Washington Post prints a tiny box, about an inch in diameter in the back, near the rugby and lacross results from Upper Sardinia. When I complained once about this in a phone call to the staff, asking for more SPORTS GAMBLING coverage, the Post replied that they "did not want to encourage" illegal sports betting. Yet these same pillars of journalism compromise those principles when it comes to ad revenues. For exmaple, if you look on the back page of the sports section EVERY DAY, there are no less than 30-40 adverstisements for "message" parlors in the DC area. Of course, we all know how popular legitimate "messages" are with the predominantly male reading audience. But should message parlors outnumber the ads for every other company by 10-1. I also have a personal vendetta against the Post as I am convinced they WILL NOT print any pro-gambling Letters to the Editor. I have had about a dozen letters printed in the Washington Post over the last 6-7 years -- on political topics, mostly. BUT EVERY TIME I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER ON GAMBLING, it is not printed. It's no longer a case of standard deviation that the political letters just so happened to be printed, while the gambling letters ended up in the wastebasket. That is bias. That is a conscious effort on the part of the staff to thwart the free exchange of ideas and information to the public. I haven't even begun to touch on the Posts' liberal bias and warped political views. If I get into that, I'd be here forever. The bottom line is, while I love the romanticized version of Post life in the movie "All the President's Men," this is a corrupt, blatantly biased publication with a vendetta against what we are trying to promote.

NEW YORK TIMES
As to the The New York Times, the aforementioned comments apply fully -- albeit to a lesser degree in terms of their sports coverage. Contrary to the Washington Post, the NY Times (in my view) does have a pretty good sports section. It's very provincial, of course, but the writing is first rate and things are often well put into context, especially sports' application to society and larger issues. The NY Times, nonetheless, is another anti-gambling rag that has fought tooth and nail against every pro-gambling initiative in NY State. The fight to destroy the effort to legalize cruises from NY City with gambling on board was led by the Times, which ran several anti-gambling editorials and columns which scared the living daylights out of anyone who was until that point undecided on the issue. The times has also run several stories that I had the personal misfortune to read that were just insanely slanted towards anti-gambling forces. I simply don't trust ANYTHING that this newspaper reports. As far as news coverage, I think the NY Times is vastly over-rated, that is -- unless you want to read off-Braodway theatre reviews or learn about an obscure scandal at the Port Authority. The Times does excel in coverage of international events, but beyond that it is just another big city rag with major attitude.

The Washington Times does a good job considering its much smaller staff and resources. As they are the stepchild of Washington journalism (and national journalism, too perhaps), it's remarkable that their sports coverage is actually superior to the Posts. The Times also runs gambiling info such as lines, totals, and many gambling-related features in its sports section. Politically, the paper is very conservative, and does nothing to hide this fact (meanwhile -- The Post remains in denial). Their editorial staff is more extensive giving lots of space to varying political viewpoints. Other than political and sports coverage, The Washington Times has very little to offer , however. As for the Moon Church owning the publication, I have never seen any bias that suggests an influence of that sect over any news coverage.

OTHER NEWSPAPERS
In my opinion, the best sports sections in the nation are in: THE PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS, which is absolutely loaded with coverage from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Sure, the local Philadelphia teams get lots of coverage, but you are just as apt to pick up a tidbit from New Orleans or Detroit as the local scene. THE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS and NEW YORK POST also have pretty good sports coverage. Both give a lot of gambling news -- with updated lines and spreads. Since just about everyone in PHILA and NYC is betting on the games (NFL), these papers are simply giving the markets what they want. No wonder the Daily News and Post OUTSELL the much over-rated NY Times in New York City. Another very good paper for sports is THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, which has arguably the second-best sports section in the nation. Every game on almost every event is broken down and there is a mountan of information about every sports in the DMN sports section each day.

For non-sports and non-gambling, I believe the WALL STREET JOURNAL is, bar none, the bet newspaper in the country. Nothing else even comes close. All I can say is -- thank God for the Internet so we are no longer subject to the mind-corrupting influences of such "stalwarts" of journalism as the Washington Post and NY Times.

I've tried not to be biased towards any region or area as I am sure there are other newspapers out there who do very good coverage.

-- Nolan Dalla
 

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The Washington Post isnt called the "Pravda on the Potomac" for nothing
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Nolan-------
I couldn't agree with you more concerning the Daily News and New York Post being a better read than the New York Times.
I live in Greenwich, Connecticut (less than 20 miles from The Bronx, but worlds apart) and I don't know a single sports fan (or shall I say gambler) who reads the Times.
New York IS the Daily News and the Post........not the Times. I looked at a Times once and it was like doing English homework!
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The closest thing the Post prints to even discussing lines is Norm Chad, and they edit the hell out of him!

As far as the Post and it's agendas, I am like you Nolan, don't get me started. I will say this. For a mainstream, nationally and internationally heralded newspaper to promote their own agendas, likes and dislikes, political views, etc, and to often ignore opposing issues is ridiculous. It is not reporting! I know all newspapers do this to some extent, but the Post is blatant about it. I am really surprised more is not made of it since it is the biggest paper in the Nation's Capital.
 

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Nolan I too for non sports issue like the Wall Street Journal. Anyone that thinks it's just about money or stocks. Wrong.
 

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First of all,

I would like to thank everyone for their comments on this matter. Also, I very much agree with what everyone said - especially you Nolan as you went in to detail. I too love the Washington Times for their sports coverage, it is superb for a newspaper of their size and I very much enjoy reading it everyday. I love the Washington Post for the job they do on their World Affairs/Foreign/Political coverage - absolutely superb, however I do agree with everyone that they seem to be a bit liberal. And finally I think the NY Times probably has such a wide audience because they do a fine job, every part of this paper is in tact, and it should be for the circulation - I really like their Financial Columns - I wonder how much they have to pay these guys for writing such fine pieces.

I guess I will keep reading all 3, oh well I enjoy them all but on the weekdays I just like to pick up the Wash times for SPORTS
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- forgive me!!!!

kneifl

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Kneifl a paper that is some what liberal. Is better in my view then one that is very tight or to conservative. To me balance is good. But each has to sell there papers what ever way works for them. Sports no problem can get what ever I need from the net.

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