Put Away Your Hankies...a message from Michael Moore

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Dear Friends,

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!"

Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying.

They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.

Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"

No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.

My friends, it is time for a reality check.

1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.

2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).

4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that is going to cook his goose come this November.

So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."

Yes...Yes...Yesssss....He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?

Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?

Yours,

Michael Moore
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Chanman said:
9/20/04
Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"

No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.
Talk about "eating your own"

LOL

This dude's appetite is endless.

What an arrogant puke. He's the male Streisand LOL :moon:
 

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You know your political party is a joke when you hold your Democratic National Convention and lose percentage points in the polls. lol
 

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polls dont mean anything...its funny how people always refer to polls.

For instance:

The polls they take in Ohio (thats ALL polls) - they take them in Southern Ohio because they know that if they go to Northwest or Northeast Ohio, it would be 80-20 Democrats. Instead they go to southern Columbus region. They have never ever ever taken polls in Northwest Ohio - not even the local newspaper (Toledo Blade) takes polls here because they know it would be 80-20.

Another thing about these bullshit polls is that they only ask registered voters who voted in the previous election. That dont mean shit like in Ohio where we have 350,000 newly registered voters as of September 1st. They dont count the newly registered voters.

You go to campuses like Toledo (UT), Bowling Green (BGSU), Oxford (Miami,OH), Columbus (Ohio St), and Athens (Ohio U) - almost every student will be voting for Kerry/Edwards - they dont count students in these polls by the way because again, of the one sided vote. And yes, students will be voting this year because they damn well know that Bush will re-instate the draft if he gets re-elected

Kerry is gonna win Ohio
 

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youre full of shite. i cant even begin to start with you.
"polls dont mean anything" you say. thats a pretty broad
statement. what type of poll? a poll of what error margin?
who took the poll? how many people were polled?
its easy to run off at the mouth like you do. it's not as easy to
back it up.
 

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And yes, students will be voting this year because they damn well know that Bush will re-instate the draft if he gets re-elected

Kerry is gonna win Ohio


:rolleyes: :142lmao: :flush:
OMFG

willing to lay any money on this one?
Not only will I wager my own life as an indentured servant to you, but I will wager my entire family's lives as servants to your family.

You put up $100 against this.

Collection date will be the day the draft is started or Nov 2nd 2008.
 

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dont kill the messenger

people in ft leonard wood are saying that the entire IRR is gonna get called up and put into TPU's

what after that?

u guys make your goal this fiscal year? I know Ohio National Guard and Reserves havent....not even retentions

i think the army as a whole has hit their goal tho...i could be wrong
 
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Edwards: No military draft if Democrats win
PARKERSBURG, W.Va. (AP) ? Vice presidential candidate John Edwards promised a West Virginia mother on Wednesday that if the Democratic ticket is elected in November the military draft would not be revived.
During a question-and-answer session, the mother of a 23-year-old who recently graduated from West Virginia University asked Edwards whether the draft would be reinstated.

"There will be no draft when John Kerry is president," Edwards said, a statement that drew a standing ovation.

The current force is all-volunteer, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said he opposes reinstating the draft. But the Pentagon has taken several steps that have drawn criticism.

In June, the Pentagon recalled to active duty 5,674 members of the Individual Ready Reserve, soldiers who have served specified tours of duty but have years remaining in their enlistment contracts.

Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, has complained about the extent of the Bush administration's use of Reserves and National Guardsmen and a device called "stop loss," which prevents soldiers from leaving when typical obligations end. "They have effectively used a stop-loss policy as a backdoor draft," Kerry said.

During the session with Edwards, a woman whose son is serving in Iraq asked why the vehicles in his convoys are not armored. She said one vehicle was attacked last week and three soldiers were killed.

"We will never send American men and women into battle without first having a plan to win the peace and without the training and the equipment they need, including armored vehicles and including body armor," Edwards said. "We have one candidate for president who has fought in a war. The truth of the matter is John Kerry takes this very, very personally."

Bill Ambrose, a land surveyor from Volcano, told Edwards, "I don't know why we can't hammer George Bush. The concern is we are not supporting the troops. I think that's a separate issue. We all support the troops. This administration has made the most monumental foreign policy mistakes since Vietnam."

Edwards said that when he and Kerry say they support and admire U.S. troops serving in Iraq, "it's not just words, it's what we really believe."

"Iraq is a mess. It is a mess because of George Bush and Dick Cheney. It's that simple," Edwards said. "The facts are overwhelming. This president's father did the work, the hard work, of bringing others with us before the Gulf War."

Edwards said the Gulf War cost American taxpayers $5 billion.

"This president did not do that. The result is over $200 billion and counting" and a thousand American deaths, Edwards said.
 

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Bush Administration Considers Military Draft


by Andrew Grinaker
Sports Editor

Thirty years have passed since the United States felt a military draft was necessary. If President George W. Bush is re-elected those thirty years could be lost.

Pending legislation in the House and the Senate, twin bills S89 and HR 163 are attempting to pass through Congress to reinstate the military draft as early as spring 2005. The administration has kept the secret as long as possible, nearing the November elections. With the situation in Iraq becoming a ?hard slog? and the search for Osama Bin Laden becoming increasingly difficult, the Bush administration is trying to use an old problem to become a new solution.

The last few months, while a large percent of the country?s population questions are present in the Middle East and the funding involved, the current administration has quietly added $28 million into the Selective Service System. The same system designed to start the military draft as early as June 15, 2005. To add even more fuel to the symbolic fire, the administration is campaigning nationwide to fill the necessary 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots to be able to conduct the military draft.

If the above information doesn?t incite you, college and Canada are no longer options for avoiding the military draft. According to congress.org, in December 2001, Canada and the United States signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Also, underclassmen in college would only be able to postpone their service from the draft until the current semester or quarter is over.

After giving you the above information, does it surprise you that the current administration is hiding these bills from the media? Not at all, the Bush administration currently has a poor image in foreign policy and introducing the possibility of a military draft the summer before the elections would not be smart campaigning.

For a man who joined the Texas National Guard during the Vietnam War in a non-combat unit with two Senator?s sons and seven Dallas Cowboys football players, the draft seems like the ultimate hypocrisy. To add more, just eight weeks into training, Bush was granted a two-month leave to help with a political campaign and to this date the question of whether he even served from May 1972 to October 1973 is still in the air.

If you believe in Bush and the draft or despise the administration and hate the idea of a draft, pass this pertinent info on.

For more information visit these two Web sites, www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg.
 

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I would think in any time of war a president would "consider" a possible draft. He would have to. You think Bush will implement a draft????
If you were a bookmaker in vegas, what odds would you give me on that one....? -9999??......awesome.... I'll take it.

THIS IS PROPOGANDA...HELLO????...LOL...earth to liberals!!???????

Considering something and implementing something are 2 different things --KDogg. But it's cool, you're the last person I would expect to think of this.

You have just been fooled by the "liberal spin" of the media my friends. You democrats really need to quit cutting and pasting these desperate left wing news articles, it's making you look really dumb.
 

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"There will be no draft when John Kerry is president," Edwards said, a statement that drew a standing ovation.

Unless you can predict the future how can you make such a statement. Does this mean if an all out war occured they would look the other way and let the chips fall where they may.

--another job of telling them what they want to here and it would have been a standing ovation of fools.
 

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hellah10again said:
dont kill the messenger

people in ft leonard wood are saying that the entire IRR is gonna get called up and put into TPU's

what after that?

u guys make your goal this fiscal year? I know Ohio National Guard and Reserves havent....not even retentions

i think the army as a whole has hit their goal tho...i could be wrong


The Navy and Air Force have both exceeded their recruiting goals for this year.

Numbers not officially in on Army yet, and USMC is estimated that they have made the goal for the year.
 

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Wayne:

First you say Kerry flip/flops. Now when his running mate takes a position, you state how can he take this position not knowing what the future holds. Do you see any irony here.

Bush says stay the course in Iraq then uses this inflexible position as a definition of strong leadership. He is predicting his future actions is he not? Edwards takes a strong position regarding future events and you condemn it. Sounds like you are flip/flopping.

Eddie
 

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Kdogg21 said:
Bush Administration Considers Military Draft


by Andrew Grinaker
Sports Editor



Pending legislation in the House and the Senate, twin bills S89 and HR 163 are attempting to pass through Congress to reinstate the military draft as early as spring 2005. The administration has kept the secret as long as possible, nearing the November elections.

Ok, this is a SPORTS editor writing this story.
2. He says the Bush Admin is considering the draft. BOTH BILLS, BOTH BILL BOTH BILLS are created and sponsored by DEMOCRATS

So if Kerry wins the election, a republican congressman can write a bill to legalize crack, making Whoring 101 mandatory curriculum in high school, and car jacking legal..... and we can read the stories about how the Kerry administration is for all these things.
 

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Mr. Haskell,

The problem lies in the position he took on it. He could have said Kerry will try his damndest not to use a draft, or that Kerry opposes the use of a draft.

But he guaranteed there will not be a draft if Kerry wins.

A. There is no repurcussion for a statement like this. If Kerry wins, and a draft comes up... oh well.
B. By phrasing it this way, (and it is a smart manuever) it makes it sound as if that if Bush wins, there WILL be a draft, regardless; without actually saying that bush will in fact create a draft.

(kinda like big VP Dick saying that if kerry wins we will face another terrorist attack -------- and look at the crap he took for it!)


Its just like when McCarthy used to ask people when they stopped beating their wife.
 

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Private Pyle:

You neglected to mention that Kerry too stated he would not bring back the draft. Apparently you have a problem with that. Historically, the draft has never been administered fairly. It was set up so that individuals with appropriate connections could avoid service.

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Excuse me, I had to cough.

No, if the necessity of additional troops were needed to fight Mr. Bush's war, a different type of conscription would have to be implemented instead of the system that caused blacks and poor whites to be sent to Da Nang forty years ago.

Maybe Kerry will implement a system that would cause your boy to actually have to put his patriotic crap to a real test. Naw. Rich boys don't die in Viet Nam or Iraq. They hang out in bars in Alabama doing two weekends a month while in the guard.

Eddie
 
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