Question for Fletcher,4Bubba,Senor Capper and anyone else living in LV

[NySportsfan]

Fletcher, as you may recall I was the kid who posted re:betting for a living and your thoughts on it and everything....Anyway, I have some time in school left yet and some other obligations here on the right coast, but was contemplating at some point moving to LV or the surrounding area....Have a feq questions Id appreciate if any of you guys could answer, may seem vague but try best you can, and reccomendations for more specific things are appreciated......
1) due to the strain and ups/downs at first of sports capping, would like to work part time at first to gurantee income to pay rent,food,etc.....and do my capping in the hours im not working, will work that out at a later time......my question here is regarding housing....I am wondering, are there any decent areas within 10 mins of the strip, where I can get an apt, or rent a room from somebody for under $500 a month....price more important to me than location b/c im a young guy starting out, no obligations.but want to me near strip to meet ladies my age, put the games in, etc....I realize LV has some awful areas crime-wise and the like, maybe the outskirts are a little better? I dont know, but help here would be appreciated...Women one of my priorites when I move out there, lol here in Ny have gotten sick of the cutthroat women,lol....
2) Job-wise.....I know w/o a degree may not be ton of opportunities out there, but basically I wanna make enough $ to pay for food and rent, and have a little to add to bankroll every week and maybe eat out on occasion....have worked at golf course here past 3-4 yrs so have extensive experience there...was hoping maybe one of you guys had connections at a course and could get me a job possibly or help me, I have refs from golf course here if needed......Thats basically it, basically an aspiring pro capper, as hard as that is....but basically wanna just live a life I enjoy, relax in a nice climate, hustle my ass off, and meet some girls....I thank you in advance for your replies......I will certainly be following up on them, possibly later on an individual basis if anyone s willing to help out a fellow MJ'er....LOL, good luck this weekend and for the season, thanks
-----Mike

 

[fletcher]

anything right off the srip is glass dick city. and less then 500 bones won't even let you share a room with crack head sue, hell a flop house is 100 a week without clean sheets,and better have a big gun:shrug:

sorry but don't take this the wrong way but i think you are doing things all wrong ,seen many people end up on the streets at all ages here due to poor planning. do not mean to be harsh but would reaqther tell you the truth then you sleeping on card board on the side walk pushing a shopping cart ,it's not a pretty site :nono:

 

[AR182]

Fletcher,

Good post!

NYSportsfan,

You are asking for trouble with the way you are going about this.Do yourself a favor & re-think your plans.

 

[NySportsfan]

Thx for the heads up Fletch, I had a feeling about that right off the strip...How about 10-15 mins away, any decent places to live for not huge prices..I just want to live in a clean place, doesnt have to be big, just dont want to be fearing for my life and money every day i try and go home...Maybe Im crazy, but theres no more exciting place to live than sin city...Although you must be smart and know what your doing....Pls get back to me further re: any jobs available and the like maybe, thx for the help and being candid with me, albeit harsh but true.....thx look fwd to hearing more...how much are apts in reno or henderson or the like, way up there? lemme know on this if can give me roughe stimate, thx again fellas
Mike

 

[acehistr8]

Seriously man, I hope you decide to go to school or at the very least enroll part time at UNLV or a local JC. Working at a golf course is not going to cut the mustard unless you are doing it full time and from the people I know out there, it is not a place like your local track where you just walk in and start working.

I know you dont want to hear people telling you to go back to school, but you really have to at some point think longer term than what you are going to do in the next 12 months. What are you going to do the first 3 times you go broke? I know you think you are very good, we all do.

Just ask yourself, the first time you are living out there, with a 10 hour a week job, rent and bills, no degree and you are flat broke or worse (and possible) flat broke and owe people money. What is your backup plan?

If the answer is you have no backup plan, you should seriously rethink your choice.

 

[MadJack]

what's wrong with Budget Suites? less than $750 per month. 1 BR, kitchen, pool, etc. (can't be fancy and nice but you want something simple, right)

and get a job driving a cab.

there ya go

 

[TheShrimp]

You know, guys, NYSportsFan isn't talking about heading out to Vegas thinking he's going to roll bus fare into a 100K a year while watching sports on TV.

He's talking about going out there, getting a job, finding an affordable place to live and try to build a stake up doing some sports gambling.

No, its not easy, but there are a lot of other routes that aren't easy either. As long as he's not spending the rent at the sportsbook, I don't think he's going about it all wrong. For a guy who's choosing against continuing his education, he sounds like he has a pretty good head on his shoulders.

He asked about the availability of affordable housing and possible job opportunities. I didn't see where he got any straight answers. Fletcher seems to think you need to be packing heat every time you step off the strip. I know LV has its rough neighborhoods, but shiiiiitt I've been in friggin Baltimore for 7 years, lived in some low rent places and still never had the need to carry.

And if you think gambling junkies will stick you up to put together some scratch, try checking out what a real junkie will do.

Sure, I think he'd be better off staying in school too, but he's asking advice about moving to Vegas. Couldn't someone give him some? In case you haven't been following the demographics, some people actually DO move to Las Vegas.

 

[acehistr8]

Hey man, more power to you if you can make it work. I would be quite jealous.

I guess my point was twofold. One, its not as filthy-cheap to live in Vegas as everyone thinks. $700 for rent, plus car/insurance, food, bills etc. Thats $1,200/month minimum. Do you want health insurance? You should, but wont get it. Now to get to $1200 you are going to be looking at needing $2000 salary per month before taxes. Thats either a decent entry level salaried job which may be tough with no degree, or a shitload of hours at an hourly job.

My recomendation is to tend bar at a local dive. Probably make shitty tip money compared to the big hotels, but you can do it at nights, sleep through the day and maybe take one class a week during the afternoon. I would be surprised if somewhere here on this board you couldnt find a contact at some local establishment. I would follow Jacks advice and find a Suite-type hotel way off the Strip you could live in at a monthly rate. Call them directly and ask for the monthly rate. But no, you wont be within shouting distance of the Strip for less than $800-$1,000 a month.

Oh and also from someone who has done this before. Go out there for a week or two before you really move out there. Get yourself set up. Check out some bars or restaurants (bussing) you may want to work at. Look into the little things. It will make picking up your tent and moving it a lot less stressful if you have laid some of the groundwork beforehand.

 

[MadJack]

he can be right on paradise rd for less than $750 per month including utilities.

drive a cab or tend bar.......simple as that. if i was young and single, i'd do it in a flash.

 

[acehistr8]

Good point Jack, I agree about tending bar.

I did it for a summer at a shitty college dive. Wasnt great money, but it was cash. I could sleep until 2pm every day. Made decent money, at a reasonable bar you could probably clear more than enough to pay rent and bills. You know, you might want to try some of the dumpier hotels on the strip, Casino Royale, those types of places. If you can impress just one manager he may give you a shot at tending bar there. If you can get into a casino even at a low level, you would really be doing yourself a HUGE help.

** Sorry additional idea. Just talking to my brother about the new TSA, this is the new agency designed to work airport security, they are going to need to hire massive amounts of people in the next few months. This may be a 2-3 month hiring process, though I do not believe it involves a degree. You could work at McCarren and being a govt job would most likely be two things you are looking for. Stable and with benefits. May be worth looking into. I will make a few calls this morning for you and see if I can gather some additional info.

** This page will give you some additional information. They are currently hiring screeners and need them at McCarran. Only a high school diploma is required. Anyway, a nice govt job would be just the thing to keep you going IMHO, would get you very good experience, good on your resume, and would certainly pay the bills. Anyway hope this helps.

http://www.tsa.dot.gov/employment/tss.shtm

 

[JT]

Hey he is a big boy so if he wants to go, go. However, with online books why in the hell do you need to go to Vegas to be a "professional" sports gambler? I'm sure quite a few here look at it as a second job. Well, gl either way...

 

[acehistr8]

with online books why in the hell do you need to go to Vegas to be a "professional" sports gambler?

Good point, didnt even think of that...

Also just out of high school didnt ask your age, but do you think you will have a problem getting carded and/or cashing in tickets?

 

[fletcher]

first off i gave him advice and stuff awhile ago i told him to go to dealer school because you make no money in a book. @nd for 500 that was the truth and 3rd shrimp i am quite sure i have been to and livied in more major cities then you so i have a clue,

Miami,Atlanta,orlando,ft.lauderdale,pittsburgh,new orleans jacksonville, and now vegas so i think i have a clue those are places livied . and spent a year at ccbc right smack in the middle of baltimore playing juco my first year,and brother in law is head of the crime lab for baltimore county for 10 years now they live in arlington. so i know the city quite well.

he was also told about budget suites so that is help the truth is the truth come and walk around in the streets of nlv and off the strip behind the strasphere it's sa land where all the crack comes from or the west side yes this ranks up there with any city or even more for crime and murders per captial in the us with murder usa where you live. so if you don't know the streets which i can tell he does not you need to have some clue and a better game plan which i gave him with going to dealing school for 3 months.

 

[JT]

I agree with fletcher, Vegas is a dump in many places. Sure it's nice in certain places but per capita the crime rates are worse than LA! Too bad you don't have grocery store experience because you could probably get hired by a major chain with the population explosion out there.

 

[fletcher]

also your the one who is fooling him what the hell do you know about vegas except for visting it's a whole different world then the candy land of the strip and what the shows you see on the travel channel. This is a hard city that everyone come to and thinks they will get a job and hit it big,and many end up being homeless and broke,do alittle research you seem to be smart and look up homeless rate in vegas,see how many shelters and soup kitchens there are to help these people,you have some of the biggest shanny towns in the us in 3 parts of the desert out here. they round the homeless up and move them out of vegas about 3 times a year. over 300 people last time men women and children,it took 4 days to clean where they were,points all over the place do you know what a point is? bags filled with human shit,cans bottles and rodents all over the place yes its a easy place to come on in and make it with out a plan. are you freaking nuts the casino's have laid of over 8500 workers since sept 11th all union do you think he will get a job before them don't think so. 254 murders last year and already up there this year.

This is what i love everyone thinks it's what they see when they get here on the strip and there is no way he could live in henderson a apt would run him 1000 and up for a 1 bedroom without shit and with out credit and a job they would not even rent to him. I told him the truth not like you telling him what you think life is all about out here.

 

[acehistr8]

You are not going to get much more truth than fletcher is dishing out.

The second time I was in Vegas back in 94 or 5 I borrowed a friends rental car to try and find the Gamblers Book Store. Well of course I had no directions, I knew it was somewhere off the Strip. Of course I get lost and I start driving up and down streets in the neighborhood West of the Strat. Anyway a cop pulls me over. Starts straight away with "Look you did nothing wrong, mind if I ask what you are doing in this neighborhood?" Proceeds to tell me he gets tourists all the time lost off the Strip and tries to point them out of that area before they get into a really bad section. Anyway turns out I was miles from where I needed to be.

I dont know what the whole point of that story was now that I think about it. Just to say that Fletcher is right in what he is saying. Hopefully you will take some advice and get a full time job before moving out there so at least you have some solid ground under your feet.

 

[NySportsfan]

Thanks a lot Guys! Really appreciate the great stuff from acehistr, fletcher of course, and thx to TheShrimp. A few things to say here... First off, have not completely ruled against college education, just simply not a school person and would rather not go..Second, It appears from what Fletch says, and what Acehistr says, that some parts of vegas are the f'n pitts...No, I cannot say in the least bit I have any phfukin idea what its like to live in a crappy crappy place and fear for your life, who would ever want to do that, I have lived in decent clean area my whole life with good family, have a solid head on my shoulders I think. I have done lot of thinking though, and finally realized that JUST being a prof gambler at a young age will NOT work, need to work/cap for a while get used to everything, get credit, and improve as you go...Im not surprised Acehistr8 about your story re:G.Book Club...Its very dangerous anywhere like that, Ive made wrong turn in DC and ended up in horrible Baltimore area, not pretty nor somewhere you wanna be.. I think its absolutely necessary to have a job in place and a plan in place and to check out vegas before moving there, which Im just thinking ahead to, have things to iron out and things to finalize here, plus leave all friends/family, tough thing to do, but everyone makes choices in life...Renting a suite type place off strip is good idea, no sec.depsoit and such, 750-1000 can be doable, all depends....gov't job as one of you suggested, not a bad job at all, but itd depend on the shifts you could get....I mean Im young yet, want time to go for the ladies, go out for drinks, and do business at the sportsbook....No, I wouldnt have problem Re:getting carded, am 19 yrs old, have id that says 21 anyway, but have much more wisodm then most ppl my age have been betting sports for 4-5 yrs and watching it for years...I SINCERELY appreciate the great ideas from everyone on here and support, I cannot express it enough....stumbled across this MJ forum a few months ago, since have been addicted and think its a great great place, and everyone seems like good guys, hopefully can meet some of you fellas in the future....Lastly, the guy who mentioned reffshore...yes, you can be a prof gambler from anywhere in the country if your good enough and have the bankroll...I just want to try out there, new start for me, plus Id rather not hafta send several k to offshore and have it tied up, Id rather just withdraw the $$ for my plays, and get paid on the spot....the Airport jobs and such sound like very good ideas as well. Im a simple simply guy, I can live not being rich for a while or forever, just want to be able to pay my rent/food and some booze, meet some chicks to get to know, and improve my sports handicapping and eventually become a pro capper, obviously cannot just cap fully now, purely not good enough and too much pressure for somebody..Anyway, keep everything coming, i cam saving this thread anyway for future reference..appreciate everything esp acehistr8,shrimp and fletch for his dose of reality....I hope every person who moves to LV doesnt get robbed or killed Fletch, LOL, I know your being real though, that is a tough tough place, as are some of the other places you mentioned you lived.sry for the long post, lot of stuff to reply to have been out for the day...thx
---Mike

 

[ryson]

NYSF,

Is construction still booming in LV, if so get yourself a job packing lumber in the desert heat. From what I understand LVPD is always looking for folks...granted you have to pass the test etc. I am sure there are plenty of yards to be tended to in LV. Grab your thing an just move, if you make it you make it. If not have a fall back plan. I have moved to many cities with nothing but lint in my pockets, if you have any skills you can make it work.

just my .02

 

[Neemer]

Smartest "pick" you've made so far...

 

[NySportsfan]

Gd point ryson...I am rare person, in that Im willing to work almost any job, as long as can pay bills and I can do it...construction although very hard work and youll be beat as hell when you get home, not bad and might still have time to cap.I have never moved so dont know what its like to pick up everything and leave and start over..also, need to have some idea and the job and stuff setup before actually get there..and driving may be better than flying so have ur car or else really fked....no idea what car ins. is out there, but its not cheap in NY, and cant even be gotten in NJ....as long as rent,food can be paid, and some time to handicap and hang out at the sportsbook, and time to go to bard and meet girls, I wouldnt complain...just takes cahones to pick u and leave but I think i have em, just would hafta meet people too, something to ponder though among many things floating in my head, what I eventually decide should be interesting, def should ck out LV though before moving out there obviously fly out, absorb the airfare bill which isnt bad nowadays, check it all out, but then hafta pay for rented car too unless u walked around...and then go home get it together and go back.....anyway, again thx for responses, and all the help, bartending def a strong choice, always is, connections would help of someone could help me there if/when i came out, of course Id need to get some training on it though, isnt that hard...Take care and thankx, love the forum
Mike