No one has started a discussion on the hopkins/taylor fight. Any thoughts, how bout the match goes the distance -190? Thought hopkins had a chance at a KO in fight #1 but let taylor hang around. am rooting for a hopkins win but i'm biased. 
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I just played Taylor by 12 round decision at +205 but its strictly a hedge for my possible play on Hopkins later when he gets to plus money. I don't think Taylor can stop Hopkins, but Hopkins could win either way. I also played Taylor +110 when it opened knowing the + money wouldn't be around long and hoping Hopkins will be +120 or more by fight time. I like Hopkins in this spot, for several reasons...
Revenge factor...Hop is very motivated to go out on top, he has something to prove and only one chance to get it done.
Hop used the first half of the fight to measure Taylor and get his timing down. Once he figured Taylor out...he dominated. It won't take Hop half the fight to figure him out this time. Hop knows why he lost the first one, he won't give away the early rounds this time.
Hop throws quiker, sharper, more controlled punches. Taylor is wide and sometimes wild with his punches...advantage Hop
Anyway, I think Taylor by decision at +200 and Hopkins at even money is a solid combo if you don't like one or the other
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Revenge factor...Hop is very motivated to go out on top, he has something to prove and only one chance to get it done.
Hop used the first half of the fight to measure Taylor and get his timing down. Once he figured Taylor out...he dominated. It won't take Hop half the fight to figure him out this time. Hop knows why he lost the first one, he won't give away the early rounds this time.
Hop throws quiker, sharper, more controlled punches. Taylor is wide and sometimes wild with his punches...advantage Hop
Anyway, I think Taylor by decision at +200 and Hopkins at even money is a solid combo if you don't like one or the other
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I had a small amount on Hopkins in the first fight with the thinking that Taylor would be unprepared for a fight on this level...and to some degree he was. He didn't pace himself well and got a little complacent. However, he dominated the majority of rounds and Hopkins only started coming on at the very end. I don't really see a different result. If you were going to bet on Hopkins (and admittedly, I want to root for him), your best bet would be to place a win by KO...because he is not going to outpoint Taylor.
also, since this is boxing and horsesh$t occurs, 'they' may not want hopkins to win, and he HAS to knock out taylor, he reminds me kind of like larry holmes, a dominant champ that couldn't be moved out on their own, so they had help.
hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I always hope people in germany get fair judging too, up next john ruiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I always hope people in germany get fair judging too, up next john ruiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Hopkins throwing the straighter, shorter, sharper, and more controlled punches...he could easily outpoint Taylor who throws wide and wild punches.
Hopkins is one of the smartest technicians to ever step in the ring, Taylor has far less experience in big fights and doesn't have near the ring smarts of Hop
Hop has Taylor's style figured out now, he won't give away the first half of the fight trying to time and measure him. Once he figured Taylor out, he dominated in the first fight.
Hop could easily outpoint Taylor in this fight, and since Hop never had much power at 160 I don't think him winning by stoppage is the most likely outcome, but it could happen. I could see Hop winning either way, but most likely by decision.
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Hopkins is one of the smartest technicians to ever step in the ring, Taylor has far less experience in big fights and doesn't have near the ring smarts of Hop
Hop has Taylor's style figured out now, he won't give away the first half of the fight trying to time and measure him. Once he figured Taylor out, he dominated in the first fight.
Hop could easily outpoint Taylor in this fight, and since Hop never had much power at 160 I don't think him winning by stoppage is the most likely outcome, but it could happen. I could see Hop winning either way, but most likely by decision.
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i usually give the edge to the guy that won the first go round....
but.....the fight went to a split decision..2 judges had it 115-113 taylor....i round makes the fight a draw....not sure whether taylor won it as much as hopkins lost it...
taylor won more rounds...but,actually,imo,did less....the rounds he won were very mundane....much closer than the rounds hopkins won.......hopkins actually dominated the late rounds...he just waited to long...why?
was that only because taylor gassed?....if he paces himself better this time,will he win going away?...
did hopkins sit out the first 7 rounds because of his age?... because he was afraid he didn`t have the cardio to do the work for 12?...he is what?..41?...and a notorious slow starter..
or was it just taylor`s speed that messed him up?..that is hopkins`achilles heel...
roy jones...taylor...dlh(i had him ahead at the time of stoppage)...all had hand speed advantages...and gave hopkins fits...
can b-hop actually do better early?...i`m not sure he CAN win the early rounds while taylor is fresh...taylor may just be to fast....
both know what they did wrong....hopkins went to sleep for the first 7 or 8 rounds...taylor was exhausted late...if it went 15 instead of 12,i think he gets stopped...and taylor`s mechanics got worse as the fight went on....he was very wild and "slappy",as box mentioned......very undisciplined...that`s what fatigue does..
honestly,i think if hopkins was younger,he would have walked taylor down late and finished him...
hopkins will have to do better early....i`m not sure he can,though..he`s a slow starter by nature....and,more importantly,he doesn`t seem able to finish the last few years...
he lost his personal bet with joppy...even though he beat him half to death...couldn`t finish....he tried...couldn`t get it done...
had taylor reeling several times late....and couldn`t finish...
i thought dlh just laid down....had him ahead up to that point...
if he uses more energy early,how gassed will b-hop be late this time?....
i`ve honestly noticed some decline in b-hop the last few years...not nearly as dominant as he used to be,imo...
if hopkins is 35,no question,i`m all over him...but,he`s almost 41...
lots of questions....lots of adjustments will be made...
i think having fought once,hopkins will make better adjustments...but, can you adjust to a substantial speed and age disadvantage?...
and if you can`t finish...how do you win 7 rounds?...
you probably can`t outpunch taylor(i`m talking volume)...
hopkins`age....just to hard to handicap...losing bouie fisher?...how much will that hurt?
they are offering nice props on stoppages...6 to one on taylor...3 to 1 on hopkins...
obviously,there`s a reason for that....
i`ve got hopkins in a bunch of parlays....looks like i`ll have to hedge...
the age issue is such a concern..the real,"in his prime" hopkins would find a way to win...taylor isn`t as formidable as a young roy jones...
but,he could step into that ring and just not have it anymore...
takes coulumes to step out here...
i`m checking around for stuff...i`ll be back...
but.....the fight went to a split decision..2 judges had it 115-113 taylor....i round makes the fight a draw....not sure whether taylor won it as much as hopkins lost it...
taylor won more rounds...but,actually,imo,did less....the rounds he won were very mundane....much closer than the rounds hopkins won.......hopkins actually dominated the late rounds...he just waited to long...why?
was that only because taylor gassed?....if he paces himself better this time,will he win going away?...
did hopkins sit out the first 7 rounds because of his age?... because he was afraid he didn`t have the cardio to do the work for 12?...he is what?..41?...and a notorious slow starter..
or was it just taylor`s speed that messed him up?..that is hopkins`achilles heel...
roy jones...taylor...dlh(i had him ahead at the time of stoppage)...all had hand speed advantages...and gave hopkins fits...
can b-hop actually do better early?...i`m not sure he CAN win the early rounds while taylor is fresh...taylor may just be to fast....
both know what they did wrong....hopkins went to sleep for the first 7 or 8 rounds...taylor was exhausted late...if it went 15 instead of 12,i think he gets stopped...and taylor`s mechanics got worse as the fight went on....he was very wild and "slappy",as box mentioned......very undisciplined...that`s what fatigue does..
honestly,i think if hopkins was younger,he would have walked taylor down late and finished him...
hopkins will have to do better early....i`m not sure he can,though..he`s a slow starter by nature....and,more importantly,he doesn`t seem able to finish the last few years...
he lost his personal bet with joppy...even though he beat him half to death...couldn`t finish....he tried...couldn`t get it done...
had taylor reeling several times late....and couldn`t finish...
i thought dlh just laid down....had him ahead up to that point...
if he uses more energy early,how gassed will b-hop be late this time?....
i`ve honestly noticed some decline in b-hop the last few years...not nearly as dominant as he used to be,imo...
if hopkins is 35,no question,i`m all over him...but,he`s almost 41...
lots of questions....lots of adjustments will be made...
i think having fought once,hopkins will make better adjustments...but, can you adjust to a substantial speed and age disadvantage?...
and if you can`t finish...how do you win 7 rounds?...
you probably can`t outpunch taylor(i`m talking volume)...
hopkins`age....just to hard to handicap...losing bouie fisher?...how much will that hurt?
they are offering nice props on stoppages...6 to one on taylor...3 to 1 on hopkins...
obviously,there`s a reason for that....
i`ve got hopkins in a bunch of parlays....looks like i`ll have to hedge...
the age issue is such a concern..the real,"in his prime" hopkins would find a way to win...taylor isn`t as formidable as a young roy jones...
but,he could step into that ring and just not have it anymore...
takes coulumes to step out here...
i`m checking around for stuff...i`ll be back...
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Hopkins has made a living getting to guys later. His is a game a mental and physical warfare. He MADE guys believe they had no choice but to fight his fight. The Taylor team knew this and Taylor came out trying to decapitate Hoppy. Jermain, I feel , was nervous and it can sap a man's strength. Taylor took all Hopkins had to give; by the same token so did Hop. Can an old dog learn new tricks? Will Hopkins come on early? Does he mean it when he says he MUST KO Taylor? I too see a different fight here. I see Taylor fighting a smarter, more controlled fight. I see Hopkinsgetting frustrated and resorting to his bag of dirty tricks as desparation sets in. Too bad Jay Nady isn't a srtict disciplinarian. Hopkins would get point after point decucted. The 5 1/2 years Hopkins spent away all manifests itself Saturday. It will surface if he is behind. Again, Hopkins may feel he IS ahead, and it may not be the case, so he gets to go home light once more. I like Taylor.
Hopkins best shots from the first fight were landed with his head. As soon as that huge gash opened on Taylor's head it changed the flow of the fight. Hopkins is admittedly a better tactician, but he has lost (a little) speed and Taylor is in his prime. Taylor came into the first fight nervous and a little jumpy...he should be more relaxed and control the pace. As far as the revenge factor goes, I don't think it plays much of a role here...Bhop wanted to win that first fight probably more than any of his previous bouts because of his deep hatred for DiBella after their fallining out and lawsuit...but in the end, he couldn't get it done...and he won't this time either.
I took hopkins at + money, then hedged some with taylor by decision, I can't see him knocking bernard out, even if he hurts him badly I think he would pull through, he has a lot of pride, and losing would be something he could live with, getting kayoed though would be another thing.
now about that 'draw' option.
now about that 'draw' option.
