i did not read anything nor will i this started because something was posted towards someone it was said and not me , then i was out of line with the c word then .tara and i got into it and she thought i was talking about her, then i said something i would tell her never to the board and it was took as i was going to say it, here . as far as the other service i have nothing to say bad about them nor will i ever, and i did not get ray kicked off you can ask the person who runs that site infact i had him back on but he did not want to have the hassle. not going to rehash everything this was a war of words which i was a part of by using thc word which i was wrong helen and i took it out and i went on a rant till she went awat for the day after that do not care what went on and not going back to read i have 10 pins in my leg and do not fell like it, as for ray he was never fired when he was with me it was a split of friendship. nothing more. as far as i know their site is doing fine for their clients because i know some of them and i have been told by ray if they win or lose. just let it go things were said that should never had been said on this form if there was a problem it should of been said on the phone but i took at shot and a bad one at helen . then by the time i was told she was not talking about me it was to late because i had already clled her a c which was way out of line as well as other words that were wrong. so not going to get into it you can email me imight be awake i might not the question you have if it is a real question and not to be used against ray and his service i will respond, but this was about the c word more then anything.