Raymond - Question

[THE KOD]

RAYMOND

I was just wondering if you would be willing to answer a few things for the new people at madjacks that dont know you.


1. How do you manage your time to own a company and do all the capping work that you do. What is a regular day like for you ?


2. Is your family supportive of all your ventures ?


3. When did you start sports wagering ?


4. What is your edge ? what is it that get you to the winning play consistantly ?

5. How is your service doing? are you making money for people ?

I know your busy. Hope you can fill us in a little .

Thanks


I dont have all the answers I just have these few questions.



Scott-Atlanta

 

[THE KOD]

Not sure RAYMOND may not have seen this. Of course he could be totally ignoring me also


Scott-Atlanta

 

[Dizzayton]

probably ignoring you.

 

[djv]

Scott are you being up front with your question. I mean do you really give a shit. Becasue if you do you might ask for email address and discuss this off site.

 

[Thegridiron]

As you can see Raymond is self documented. and as is true most self documented folks lose alot. If Ray was monitored for the plays that he post here he would be hitting 41% in football and yes I have this documented. I am sure Jack will delete this because it is the truth and he hates when anyone exposes Fletch or Ray. Bottom line, there are better handicappers here that don't charge, they don't post " I have 4 outlaw plays, but three of them you have to pay for, even though my first outlaw play got crushed." I have followed this board for awhile and the guys that I thought would go pay that actually win have remained true and still have the main objective to beat the bookie in mind. If you pay for Ray's plays thats your business, but first start tracking his plays and see what his % is before wasting your hard earned cash. Do a search on 5-10 guys that post here for free and they are blowing him away, why pay for something when you can get better plays for free. Scott, you will never get a reply in this thread for Ray, you will get alot of crap for asking for the truth. Jack will delete this thread, although when Jack first started this site it was anti services.

 

[TCSN]

Oh boy are we starting the bs pay vs not pay for picks arguement?

I have one question to you gridiron, are you monitoring what he posts here only or all the paid plays?

 

[Thegridiron]

If you would like to post his play that are pay within 5 minutes of kick off, I will. I am not just singleing him out, although it was pretty blatant today when he posted that he had four outlaws and was only posting one. Quite apparent that he was shilling for folks to pay for his service. There are so many good handicappers here that no one needs to pay anyone for plays, originally Jack was completely against services, but now with post like that I guess he condones it. If you want to get down to brass tacks Ray is hitting 41% in football posted here, do a search I did. No reason to get mad about the truth!!

 

[TCSN]

I'm not getting mad at you. I just am curious when you say these %'s are you just going by posts here or all his service plays?

The % should only be judged by all the plays not just what is posted.

 

[Chanman]

Gridiron- You sold me: What's your plays?

 

[Unicorn]

Props for saying your peace Gridiron.

 

[Thegridiron]

TC. I am just being honest about his % here, I don't know his % on his pay servie and I probably wont, since I would never pay for plays. There are enough super cappers here why pay?

Chanman:

I post my plays and have hit around 55% not breaking the bank but keeping slightly ahead. I realize that you are trying to rip at me, but I post my plays for free and I have never said that I am a world beater. Like I said, folks here should never pay, go through today's threads and you will see that there are so many good cappers here that paying is moronic. Hellyeah post for free and the guy has been nails, why pay hen you get it for free, same with Joe De.

Scott in Atlanta, this is typical of the responses you get when you question Ray or Fletch's plays. Just remember you will never get a honest response and if you actually tell the truth you will be attacked and more than likely your post will be deleted. I am glad to see that there are others that are tired of this shilling and have caught on

 

[Thegridiron]

Thanks Unicorn ,just speaking the truth sad to say others around here don't want to here it. They should feel free to do a search and the numbers are right on.

 

[fletcher]

why do i always get brought into this shit,i am not self documemted, there is nothing you can expose me on, my page is to the t, an ran by an outside monitoring service 2 infact. so leave me the hell out of your bull shit you can't back ask anyone who has been with me they have more then paid for service took one on the chin this week in baseball but if i lose i have no problem saying it was a bad day or week and my mistake. but the winning 22 out of 26 weeks is to the penny well less because wins are even rounded down.

so leave me out of this same shit as last week and the week befor and now this weel all i do is post a few f u c king games and someone trashes me every week well i have not said shit about my service on here so don't bring me into this shit i spam no one. i even tell people to make sure this is for them before they sign up and to think about it and if they are a first time person and lose i keep them going till they have there cash back + money in there pocket yeah expose me. i give people my number,i have even floated guys who are down plays and never ask for shit.

also even sent a college kid from miss 200 back he bought me for the week didnot follow directions and played his whole bankroll which was only 300 on a 3 team parlay ,he ask me if i could freeze his service i ask why he was up front and told me he was in college and that was his worl study and pell for the month. so i sent him westeron union the 200 back + covered the 300 he lost because i know how much 300 means to a college kid and told him just learn from it. or the guy who won over 2400 in to weeks then does a charge back from mexico yes i am the real scammer.

leave me the f u c k out every week i guess you are a top person living the high life hitting 70+% i am up front i hit for the year around 58-59% for the whole year was 2nd on best bettor in ncaa hoops with over 100 games and over 60% baseball i won 28 yes thats righ 28 straight games about a month ago,i never claim to win evey week or have ever said lock or load up. so don't try to throw trash at me . i have never said i am the greatest but i do quite well go ahead and do a 4 year shearch and if you come up with what i have post here in the - i will send you 500 and if you don't you send me 500 and want it checked by jack himself and six five or dtb they are all trust worthy people. what was i last week 9-3 for free something around that the week before i swept the board while my people lost so don't say i don't give out plays and i fab my results. this shit is getting old now you see why i blow like last sat.

 

[Thegridiron]

Fletch:

I am sorry should not of brought u into the picture, I have yet to see you shill like Ray.

 

[Nickelback]

I knew that was coming. . . but honestly he's got a point when the thread begins about Ray and somehow fletcher always gets brought in it. . .

 

[Dizzayton]

Ray has good plays, if you don't want to pay for it that's your business. The guys trying to make a buck, can't blame him.

 

[Master Capper]

I have to agree that it is foolish to pay for a service play. The amount of solid info available here and through other boards makes service out of date. 80% of the services were on Oreg St and WVU today. Just take the time to read all the post here throughout the week and check other information boards and you will be in position to cap a game better than any service.

 

[TCSN]

Oh enough with the arguement about pay vs non pay, to each his own. It is sickening how people like to preach how bad it is, if you don't want to pay then fine but don't preach on & on about it.

 

[Master Capper]

Not Preaching here bud, services are good for some folks whom love action but don't take the time or don't have the time to research....Like you said to each his or her own

 

[HighRoller]

Honesty pays

Honesty pays

I am the needle in a hay stack here :

I have paid for RAYMOND's picks the last two weeks this week was free.

I will defend him in a very respectable light !

I will also post his plays and wins/losses for this weekend.

The man is honest ! PERIOD ! You do not have pay for his service.

It was my choice.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I EMAILED HIM HE RESPONDED and that was several times in a day.

3 weeks ago we had a fantastic weekend.

2 weeks ago we got buried.

This week is not looking pretty. I must say only going on 3 weeks of stats is unfair.

Believe in pay service or not.

There are incredible handicappers here...Unfortunately some of us do not have all day or alot of free time to scour these boards.

I think to call RAYMOND out is ridiculous and immature.

The man posts alot of plays for FREE ! & I know alot of you have coattailed the man for alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.