Returning Starters

[BobbyBlueChip]

Per Phil Steele's annual, the following schools are returning the starters listed below:


Air Force 8
Akron 10
Alabama 17
Alabama-Birmingham 10
Arizona 13
Arizona State 12
Arkansas 14
Arkansas State 16
Army 11
Auburn 14
Ball State 13
Baylor 15
Boise State 14
Boston College 16
Bowling Green 12
Buffalo 13
BYU 10
California 16
Central Florida 10
Central Michigan 17
Cincinnati 16
Clemson 12
Colorado 15
Colorado State 12
Connecticut 18
Duke 13
East Carolina 12
Eastern Michigan 11
Florida 10
Florida State 15
Fresno State 12
Georgia 13
Georgia Tech 14
Hawaii 14
Houston 12
Idaho 15
Illinois 14
Indiana 13
Iowa 12
Iowa State 12
Kansas 10
Kansas State 11
Kent State 14
Kentucky 11
Louisiana Tech 13
Louisiana-Lafayette 16
Louisiana-Monroe 18
Louisville 15
LSU 12
Marshall 15
Maryland 14
Memphis 17
Miami (Fla) 10
Miami (Ohio) 13
Michigan 15
Michigan State 15
Middle Tennessee 15
Minnesota 13
Mississippi State 13
Missouri 14
Navy 13
Nebraska 11
Nevada 17
New Mexico 12
New Mexico State 9
North Carolina 9
North Carolina State 12
North Texas 19
Northern Illinois 16
Northwestern 10
Notre Dame 14
Ohio 9
Ohio State 12
Oklahoma 15
Oklahoma State 16
Ole Miss 14
Oregon 12
Oregon State 15
Penn State 15
Pittsburgh 14
Purdue 16
Rice 9
Rutgers 17
San Diego State 9
San Jose State 6
SMU 13
South Carolina 9
South Florida 16
Southern Miss 17
Stanford 9
Syracuse 9
Temple 17
Tennessee 10
Texas 13
Texas A&M 16
Texas Christian 14
Texas Tech 16
Toledo 11
Troy State 17
Tulane 16
Tulsa 17
UCLA 11
UNLV 12
USC 14
Utah 13
Utah State 14
UTEP 16
Vanderbilt 13
Virginia 12
Virginia Tech 11
Wake Forest 16
Washington 13
Washington State 13
West Virginia 13
Western Michigan 11
Wisconsin 11
Wyoming 16

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Using a system where you play on a team returning 14 or more starters against a team that is returning 5 less starters, the following look to be plays subject to injuries:


Play on vs. Opponent Date

Arkansas State (16) at Virginia Tech (11) 8/25/2002

Penn State(15) vs. Central Fla (10) 8/31/2002
Pittsburgh (14) vs. Ohio (9) 8/31/2002
Wyoming (16) at Tennessee (10) 8/31/2002
Arkansas State (16) vs. San Jose State (6) 8/31/2002
Troy State (17) at Nebraska (11) 8/31/2002
North Texas (19) at Texas (13) 8/31/2002

Michigan State(15) vs. Rice(9) 9/7/2002
Colorado(15) vs. San Diego State (9) 9/7/2002
California (16) vs. New Mexico State (11) 9/7/2002
Boston College (16) vs. Stanford (9) 9/7/2002
UTEP (16) vs. Kentucky (11) 9/7/2002
Troy State (17) at UAB (10) 9/7/2002
MTSU (15) at Tennessee (10) 9/7/2002
Louisiana-Monroe (18) at Kansas State (11) 9/7/2002

Purdue(16) vs. Western Michigan(11) 9/14/2002
Oklahoma State (16) vs. UCLA (11) 9/14/2002
Rutgers (17) vs. Army (11) 9/14/2002
Temple (17) vs. Miami (Fla) (10) 9/14/2002
Nevada (17) vs. BYU (10) 9/14/2002
Uconn(18) at Buffalo (13) 9/14/2002
Northern Illinois (16) at Wisconsin (11) 9/14/2002
Central Michigan (17) at Akron (10) 9/14/2002

Marshall (15) vs. Central Florida (10) 9/20/2002

Illinois(14) vs. San Jose State(6) 9/21/2002
Texas A&M (16) vs. Virginia Tech (11) 9/21/2002
California (16) vs. Air Force (8) 9/21/2002
Boston College (16) at Miami (Fla) (10) 9/21/2002
Temple (17) at South Carolina (9) 9/21/2002
Louisville (15) vs. Army (9) 9/21/2002
Idaho (15) vs. San Diego State (9) 9/21/2002
Nevada (17) vs. Rice (9) 9/21/2002
Troy State (17) at Iowa State (12) 9/21/2002
Uconn(18) vs. Ohio (9) 9/21/2002
Louisiana-Lafayette (16) vs. UAB (10) 9/21/2002

Georgia Tech (14) vs. North Carolina (9) 9/28/2002
Auburn (14) vs. Syracuse (9) 9/28/2002

 

[Valuist]

good work. I just picked up the magazine yesterday.

 

[bigdad2]

Only magazine that I read which picked Colorado to beat Nebraska in the start of the season. Haven't picked up the newest edition this year but those who play college F-ball should read it cover to cover.

 

[Hooks]

Returning starters from The Gold Sheet;


BBC,I'm going to list ONLY the discrepencies of the returning starters.Teams not listed matched Phil Steeles #s.

Air Force-3 off.-7 def.
Akron-5 off.-7 def.
Alabama-7 off.-8 def.
Arizona-9 off.-6 def.
Ball St.-9 off.-5 def.
Boise St.-7 off.-8 def.
B.Y.U.-5-off.-6 def.
Cent. Fla.-8-off.-3 def.
Cent. Mich.-9 off.-9 def.
Conn.-7 off.-9 def.
E Caro.-4 off.-7 def.
Fla. St.-8 off.-8 def.
Fresno St.-7 off.-7 def.
Georgia-8 off.-7 def.
Houston-7 off.-6 def.
Idaho-8 off.-9 def.
Indiana-7 off.-4 def.
Iowa St.-6 off.-7 def.
Kansas-6 off.-5 def.
Kentucky-6 off.-4 def.
La Laf.-9 off.-8 def.
La Monroe-9 off.-10 def.
Maryland-8-off.-5 def.
Memphis-7 off.-7 def.
Miami-Ohio-7 off.-7 def.
Mich.St.-8 off.-6 def.
Mid.Tenn.St.-8 off.-6 def.
Minn.-6 off.-8 def.
Miss. St.-8 off.-7 def.
Missouri-5 off-8 def.
Navy--6 off.-8 def.
New Mex. St.-4 off.-4 def.
N.Texas-11 off.-9 def.
Ohio U.-7 off.-5 def.
Ohio St.-5 off.-6 def.
Oregon-5 off.-6 def.
Penn St.-7 off.-7 def.
Purdue-8 off.-7 def.
Rice-4 off.-4 def.
Rutgers-7 off.-9 def.
San Diego St.-5 off.-6 def.
San Jose St.-5 off.-2 def.
SMU-8 off.-8 def.
S. Fla.-7 off.-8 def.
Southern Cal.-10 off.-5 def.
S Miss.-10 off.-9 def.
T.C.U.-8 off.-7 def.
Texas A&M-10 off.-7 def.
Texas El Paso-8 off.-10 def.
Texas Tech-8 off.-9 def.
Tulane-6 off.-9 def.
Tulsa-8 off.-8 def.
UAB-8 off.-2 def.
Utah-5 off.-9 def.
Utah St.-7 off-8 def.
Vandy.-7 off.-7 def.
Washington-7 off.-5 def.
W. Mich.-3 off.-6 def.


Hope this helps

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Actually, it only confuses things . I've noticed discrepencies with other annuals before, but I've never taken the time to look at the reasons for the differences. I think that if you use any of the returning starter systems, it's best just to pick one source and stick with it. Thx for the info.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

First System Play

Play on Arkansas State +37

ASU (16 returning starters) vs. Virginia Tech (10 returning starters - 11 listed minus 1 suspension)

 

[JEFF]

Great info, very valuable. How did that system fare last season?

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

My record keeping sux. I know all of my plays but not whether or not they are system plays. I had a thread like this last year but the college board from last year isn't on the server anymore. It was in the 57-59% range. I've followed this trend for 3 years and it's always been as good or better than that. Never any more than 63%. It makes sense but you've got to play all of the plays, even the stinkers like Arkansas State.

 

[JEFF]

Problem, it would seem, is that guys get injured throughout the season, so figuring that out and factoring it in. Not to mention part-time starters, etc.

But it is certainly a good criteria to look at, for obvious reasons.

 

[bjfinste]

Last season, Washington State was an unknown team that I rode b/c they returned 18 starters and that paid very nice dividends. Great info BBC.

 

[johnnyb.]

also at large schools their depth charts are sometimes 3-4 deep so a starter might only play 50% of snaps. like linemen who rotate very regulary. good info but just that, not enough of a reason to make a play. look at teams that play on turf then go to grass or teams like ucla or ohio st. that don't start school till late september gives them big advantages in the early season. i can't say 1 stat or system gives me an answer. this year running up the score will not improve a teams win for bcs. so less blowouts will occur, bad for chalk players.

 

[Hooks]

BBC ---


All i'm gonna say about the descrepancies is , the Gold Sheet has been established since 1957 , I have been reading it since 1984!
I didn't intend to mess things up. I absolutley feel confident in stats, PR , and systems they provide. They're a service you want on your side. Not counting their write-ups on the next weeks games that are written on Sunday nite, shit can and will happen during the week preseading their selections.

We're in this together

 

[GENO]

BBC good stuff I have used it in the past also and didn't keep strong records last year, (wife won a vacation week of 9/9 and was in FLA when 9/11 tragedy occured). But 2000 season it was like 59-60 % first 3 weeks then dropped off in the 4th week as I remember. We had to move in Sept 2000 so I failed to track it then also.

Regardless a very good angle to start capping first 3-4 weeks IMO.

 

[GENO]

Differences may be due to players moving to a different position on the same side of the ball, etc.

Cie Grant played LB in 2000 for the Buckeyes, in 2001 he started at CB, and back to LB this year.

Would you count him as a returning starter
:shrug: I would !

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

This is a first four games of the year system. I don't actually know the criteria the annual uses to classify someone as a returning starter. I've compared the 2002 to the 2001 annual and I can't figure it out. BTW, they do classify Cie Grant as a returner.

Hooks, meant no disrespect to you or the Gold Sheet. I've used Phil Steele's successfully in the past and that's the one I have. I don't have the Gold Sheet, so I will use Phil Steele's. They list the guys that they classify as a returning starter, so it's easy to see who's out due to injury and suspension.

 

[Hooks]

BBC, No problem here , just wanted to make sure the bases are covered. I want us all to have a strong year.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

System Record 0-1

No Play Penn State(15 RS - 1 Injury (Yisrael) = 14 RS) vs. Central Fla (10)

No Play Pittsburgh (14 RS - 1 injury (Pettiti) = 13 RS)vs. Ohio (9 RS)

PLAY ON Wyoming +30.5 (16 RS - 1 injury(Schap) = 15 RS) at Tennessee (10 RS - 1 injury(Washington) =9 RS)

PLAY ON Arkansas State -1 (16 RS) vs. San Jose State (6 RS)

PLAY ON Troy State +32 (17 RS) at Nebraska (11 RS - 2 injuries (Lohr,Amos) = 9 RS)

PLAY ON North Texas (19 RS) +35 at Texas (13 RS - 1 injury(Scaife) = 12 RS)

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I am little concerned with all of the value lost on these plays over the course of the week which is unusual for these plays. I don't think that it has to do with system players, I just think that people are overestimating the fact that the BCS computers don't take into account margin of victory. It isn't that critical as both the AP and the coaches do.

 

[A1Capper]

ttt

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

System Record 2-3


PLAY ON Michigan State(15 RS) -27 vs. Rice(9 RS)

PLAY ON Colorado(15 RS) -23 vs. San Diego State (9 RS)

No play on California (16 RS - 1 suspension = 15 RS) vs. New Mexico State (11)

PLAY ON Boston College (16 RS) -8 vs. Stanford (9)

PLAY ON UTEP (16 RS) +20.5 vs. Kentucky (11 RS)

PLAY ON Troy State (17 RS) +2 at UAB (10 RS)

PLAY ON MTSU (15 RS) +22 at Tennessee (10 RS)

PLAY ON Louisiana-Monroe (18 RS) +39 at Kansas State (11 RS) ******Careful:it falls into the system but Snyder lives for these games*********