Right to work in Michigan>>>

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From Jimmy Hoffa:
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Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.



"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."



The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.



As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.



"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."



Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers? rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,? as they?re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.



Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.



"This is basically a step backward," he argued.




Hey, Jimmy - Kinda like the people in the US who don't pay taxes and receive benefits, huh?

Someone get that man a tissue.
 

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Before you get all teary-eyed about so-called right-to-work laws, you might want to compare average income in RTW states versus the other 26.

Damn, there I go again, pissing in your soup with facts.
 

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This wasn't a rant by me about union v non-union.

It's a bout a whiney bitch crying that people aren't paying for their benefits.
 

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I really haven't dug into the RTW v union average pay.

Do you have some charts or data that also factor in cost of living per state, unemployment, etc?

I don't think comparing average income data alone gives a really accurate picture.
 

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I really haven't dug into the RTW v union average pay.

Do you have some charts or data that also factor in cost of living per state, unemployment, etc?

I don't think comparing average income data alone gives a really accurate picture.

So, if you know nothing about the effect of so-called RTW laws, why post at all?

The bogus claim by the right-wing anti union folks is that RTW creates jobs.

Where is THEIR data........?:shrug:
 

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Occupation Median wages in Right-to-work states Median wages in Collective-bargaining states Difference*
All occupations $15.31/hour $16.89/hour -$1.58/hour (-9.4%)
Middle school teacher $49,306/year $55,863/year -$6557/year (-11.7%)
Computer support specialist $46,306/year $50,641/year -$4335/year (-8.6%)

Sorry, a bit hard to decipher, but incomes are abt 10% higher in collective bargaining states than in RTW states.

Facts, Jack.
 

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Like I said, it was a comment about Hoffa, not RTW v Union.

However, you did not answer the question i posed.

Average cost of living in a RTW v union state?

Example, avg wages will already be higher in a higher cost of living state....if that state is also already a union state, what is really impacting the higher average wage?

Average unemployment rates in RTW states v union states?

Probably not around much til after holidays. Doing some traveling.

Have a good holiday season, Duff.
 

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Like I said, it was a comment about Hoffa, not RTW v Union.

However, you did not answer the question i posed.

Average cost of living in a RTW v union state?

Example, avg wages will already be higher in a higher cost of living state....if that state is also already a union state, what is really impacting the higher average wage?

Average unemployment rates in RTW states v union states?

Probably not around much til after holidays. Doing some traveling.

Have a good holiday season, Duff.

Actually, Hoffa has a legitimate complaint. If you get the same wages and bennies as the union guys negotiated, why shouldn't you pay the cost?

Unions pay for legal experts and consultants, and often maintain a strike fund, which is their leverage.

Have there been some scumbag union guys? Sure. So what - there are scum everywhere from the churches to the drunk tanks. Don't paint them all with a broad brush.

Hope you have a pleasant holiday season too, ssd.

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Are they freeloaders for not paying the dues or are those who pay dumb for paying for something they can get for free? Which side of that equation would most choose to be on?

I guess you can quote average wage rates if you like but, not included in those figures are the wages for jobs that no longer exist due to unreasonable demands for outrageous pay rates. (see China, Mexico and many other countries to find those jobs)

You might advocate for a position that is not already dead and buried. That fight is over and if the last 20 years doesn't tell you that, Michigan being a right to work state should.
 

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Are they freeloaders for not paying the dues or are those who pay dumb for paying for something they can get for free? Which side of that equation would most choose to be on?

I guess you can quote average wage rates if you like but, not included in those figures are the wages for jobs that no longer exist due to unreasonable demands for outrageous pay rates. (see China, Mexico and many other countries to find those jobs)

You might advocate for a position that is not already dead and buried. That fight is over and if the last 20 years doesn't tell you that, Michigan being a right to work state should.

Who asked for your opinion ass-bob? Go fuck yourself. That is, if you can still get it up.
 
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