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Europe +1.5pts to beat U.S.A. Evens @ Bet365 [3pts]
"There is no "I" in "Europe", but there is in "America"" and "The Americans play like a side, the Europeans play like a team" may be well-worn clich?s, but they do highlight why the European team consistently plays above itself in this event. On paper, the American team again have the better players, but the same was true in 2002 when it was forecast to be the most lopsided match since 1981. It was, but in Europe's favour!

In the last 20 years, the European team has won five, lost three and drawn one Ryder Cup, while there have been four matches played on American soil where each team has won twice with the Europeans never losing by more than a single point. Combine that with a European Ryder Cup team that has never played as much on the PGA Tour or performed, collectively, as well in the U.S. Open - Oak Hill is reported to be setup along U.S. Open guidelines - and this European team looks better-prepared than any previous team to win on American soil. Even the GB&I Walker Cup team has won the last three Walker Cups, including a 15-9 defeat of the American side at Sea Island, Georgia in 2001.

I expect the European team will win this match, but history suggests it is close when the Americans play on home soil. So a "safe" play of a +1.5pts handicap seems the best solution. After all, with a +1.5pts handicap, Europe would be the winner in nine out out of the last ten Ryder Cups and in all five matches in the United States. Not bad for evens!
 

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Stanley, I think I agree with you, but maybe for different reasons. I am looking at the American team and finding it hard to think that they are really all that strong to merit such large odds.

Although Woods is Woods, I don't think many of the Euros would be afraid of him at this point. Pressure should be a definite issue for someone like Funk and especially Chris Riley who is a fine player but not a tough competitor that I've seen. Funk should play off the home crowd, though. I've long since given up on Love this season, and Mickelson has not shown up in top form for a while. He is a great Cup matchplayer, though. Cink is the top player at the moment and I don't look at him as anyone's ace, do you? The others all have some kind of issue that has kept them off the top of tourneys, and cause me pause when thinking of laying heavy chalk.

Put all that together with Sutton's abrasive attitude, and I could see trouble.

I like your look, a much more sure one than the +1/2 +170 that can be found most places for taking an in-form, cohesive unit captained by a solid, respected leader like Langer. But I am leaning towards the latter bet to try to rake in some extra ching.

Nice analysis, and good luck with your wagers this weekend.
 

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Thanks for that Couthpotato, I didn't expect to see more than +110 at most!

Chadman, I agree about this U.S. team. The best player at the moment seems to be Stewart Cink. While there are fewer 'average' players on the American team, their form as a whole is not particularly good. Add in the fact that Tiger is repotedly going through a separation with his fiancee and Mickelson has changed his clubs and I think the only way that they will win will be a Brookline-type scenario where they load all their name players, especially Mickelson, at the top of the order on Sunday and they really get the crowd as a big factor in this match.
 

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I try hard not to put too many wagers on this event due to fact of wierd shit-- ie the US team has had twice the advantage in players world rankings since 87 US (18.99) Euro (38.08) yet have not dominated.

Some things that have held true to form for "understandable reasons" that I will look to in matches is U.S domination in singles Since 1983 65 vs 55 points and more so Euro's domination in four-ball 47.5 vs 32.5 and the later at usually plus odds.

other stats since 83
Foursome points Euro 41 US 39
Rookies records (last # =halves)
Euros 37-50-21
US 53-58-12
Captains Picks
Euro 34-41-5
US 24-19-4
 

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I read this AM where Sutton is essentially calling Woods out to make this event as important as his chase for the majors. Woods seems to be shrugging it off, but he also asked reporters if they knew how many Rider Cup matches Nicklaus had won (Sutton compared Woods position as similar to Nicklaus as far as being the top dog). Maybe Sutton's jibe will motivate Tiger, maybe not. Personally, I don't think Tiger will give a shite what Sutton thinks, compared to some other captains. But he might get mad and run the table, too. Just adds to my thinking that Sutton could be as much a problem as a motivator.
 

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Sutton was one of the first players who called on the media not to glorify Tiger. Something along the lines of "He gets up in the morning, puts his legs in his trousers just like the rest of us." I wonder if Tiger recalls that as he is clearly a player who bears a grudge for a long time (e.g. with Vijay).
 

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along those lines I wonder what would have went through Tigers head if VJ's caddie had wore the hat that said Tiger Who? on the last day they were paired and he took #1 title from Tiger. :)
 

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Europe WINS RYDER CUP+1.90 1 Unit

American Team just doesn't seem to have the Fire. I'm sure there will be a lot of fists and high fives but like others here Sutton doesn't seem to be the movational guru needed. I think Tiger will play well when it's him but believe he will fall off in alternating shot. I don't know what it is but I think the "over the ocean" Boys will be better prepared. I hope I'm wrong, going with ALL, not just here but everywhere, mass of people that have Europe Winning.
 

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RYDER CUP:

I've liked Tiger Woods since he was a precocious tyke, but Tiger Slams and some unprofessional histrionics, surliness and holding of grudges have since made for a wee bit of ambivalence in my feelings of both liking and respecting the man. On the other hand, there is no waning in the passion of my affection for Arnold Palmer, but I wouldn't have pulled for Arnie or anyone else to be winning U.S. Opens by 15 shots. So it's been my longstanding policy to make and post a full unit wager on Tiger to Win every major in order to ward off such a result.

I like the players on the Euro Ryder Cup team - maybe as much or more on the whole than the players on the U.S. team - Paul Casey, Luke Donald and Lee Westwood especially - - but my allegiance in this one is pretty rock solid, even if it could be a prickly Frank Beard or bad guy Scott Simpson (1987 U.S. Open) carrying the U.S. banner down the final fairway. So the wager here is pretty straightforward in an attempt to ward off a dismal result:

Europe Retains Cup = Europe(+1/2)(+130) for 1* @ 5dimes

My capping of any wagers in particular matches or special props will be quite a bit different than for that initial wager.

GL

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I think both captains made the right choices with their captain's picks, but since the first of the year I haven't watched either Langer or Sutton distinguish themselves in the role . . . Phil knows better than me, but what's Mickelson thinking on the timing of his equipment changes? . . . It's hard not to argue but that the Euro squad has the momentum of current form . . . Tiger has been looking a little sharper of late (of course not until after the pressure of the majors he covets was behind him for the season), but one of my favorite golf observations of the year 2004 came from Lanny Wadkins on Saturday of the NEC World Series when Woods was playing in the final group and visiting places miles off line - albeit usually having missed it on the proper side : "I don't know who Hal Sutton is going to find to partner with Tiger, because nobody can play Tiger's ball except Tiger."

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Taking this early offering of Clarke/MA Jiminez +115 over Campbell/Love III at Pinny. A halve would lose here, since they are also listing odds on that. However, if I have a correct read on this match, it won't be close enough in the end for the halve to come into play. Looking at all four early matches, it is my humble opinion that this might be Europe's strongest team against USA's weakest.

Jiminez is in truly fine form at the moment and I have always loved Clarke's game. I just think these two have the edge in this match in just about every measurable category and they will play very well together.

On the other hand, I find both Campbell and DLIII's form to be scratchy at best. Campbell is a big liability on the greens. His putting stats are way down right now. DLIII is fully capable of a meltdown at anytime...not exactly a steadying influence here for the rookie. Overall, I'm just not high on this American pairing at all.

Also, watching the Ryder Cup press conference, it seemed to me that Hal went "over the top" with some of his comments regarding how "tremendous" these two are playing right now. Almost as if he was trying to build their games up in his mind to justify his decision to play them here. I personally think it is merely coach-speak. Despite saying, "I sure wouldn't want to be playing them tomorrow", I think the reality is that he is a little worried about winning this particular match in the morning.

Good Luck to All,

-JC
 

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I'd have to say my 'cap of that match was pretty much spot on. Should have played alot more on it. Easy 5&4 victory for Clarke/Jimenez. :clap:
 

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Anybody think Sutton's matchups for the Sat afternoon seemed a little odd??

DiMarco and Haas let the morning slip away. DiMarco had a horrible back nine and Haas will get tired. ALready shows in his putting.

Phil/Toms-can't argue. Would like to have seen Phil with DL3

Furyk/Funk-just don't like it.

Tiger/DL3-should have been Riley no DOUBT. DL3 should be out there though

I would have played Tiger/Riley Mick/DL3 Cink/DiMarco KPerry/Furyk
 

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Sergio Garcia OV/Phil Mickelson-1.05 1 Unit
Davis Love III OV/Darren Clarke-1.10 1 Unit

Continue my Fade on phil. Think his mind is messed up. DLIII has his act together.
 

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So who is the winner for the "top point scorer for the US Team"? I don't know the winner, please help
 
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