Senor >>>>>>>

[BahamaMama]

I'll pose this question to you in a new thread, as i don't have time the next few days to keep up with the whole forum, yet i'm extremely curious as to the question i asked you in the God or evolution thread......


I was raised catholic, and feel that religion was forced upon me (no longer catholic, btw) ......but as memory serves, Catholic Priests were never and are not now allowed to have ever been married, and i'm not sure if they are allowed to be priests if they have ever fathered a child (which confuses me as to the father-in-law comment) i was wondering if things have possibly changed. I know divorce can't come into play here, as catholics still do not recognize divorce.

 

[Neemer]

I know divorce can't come into play here, as catholics still do not recognize divorce.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh yes, divorces "NO".....but anullments is a different ball of wax. Catholics look fervently down upon someone who has gotten a divorce, but if they both agree to an anullment, then it's as if the marriage never occurred! One would think that this decision would be based upon the longevity of the marriage, but you would be wrong in your assumption. 1 yr, 5 yrs, 15 yrs, 30 yrs, 50 yrs,....does not matter to a full blooded Catholic. How in the hell do you think all those Kennedys on the east coast get to keep coming to church?

[This message has been edited by Neemer (edited 08-01-2001).]

 

[BahamaMama]

very much agreed, neems....i didn't even think of the *annulment* factor!! the way i saw it, annulment was about nothing but $$$$$, and at the time of my first divorce, there was no WAY i gave a crap about having it annuled!! in the eyes of the church, i am now officially considered widowed, as they never *recognized* my second marriage, and my first husband committed suicide a couple of years ago. (not enough to ever make me go back to the catholic church, tho, as i only belive in a *couple* of things that they stand for, one being abortion in a BIG way!!!) other than that, i think that catholics are out for nothing but money for the most part. the religion has changed drastically since i was a child, but i just wasn't thinking when i posed the question to Senor....(had stuck in my mind that it was a married man for some reason, and wondered if that had changed and i hadn't heard about it.)

 

[Neemer]

, i think that catholics are out for nothing but money for the most part.

Don't forget about the teenage boys!

D

 

[dawgball]

Annullment has nothing to do with two people agreeing on an annullment. The church, as a governing body, has some guidelines that they go by to validate an annullment. If someone's spouse cheats on them, for example, and it can be proven--the church will annull that marriage for the individual who was cheated on.

Mama--I would have to say that the Catholic church has not changed too much since you were younger. Different churches practice differently within a denomination.

I was raised Catholic, but do not actively practice. I am rather removed from the church because I, too, do not agree with the way that it operates.

As far as priests go. A priest can have a child before the seminary and still be ordained. The only steadfast law that the church will not forgive with a priest is revealing information that they received in Confession. There are other offenses that are likely to make them lose their job, but there is only one that will automatically keep them from continuing to practice. One of the staples of the Catholic faith is being able to confess your sins to God and be completely forgiven.

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[Neemer]

Dawg...

In regards to confessions, what if the Priest is told of a murder, rape, sodomy, etc..etc...? What would the ramifications be if he divulged this information to the authorities??

 

[Ronbets]

Neemer,

The priest is bound by the cloak of secrecy of the Confessional. No exceptions. For example, if he broke his vows revealing a serial killers identity, he'd still be censured privately. His next duty assignment wouldn't be the Vatican. More likely a leper colony. All this happening while the Church would be basking in glory for their 'behind the scenes' helping officials solve a case.

 

[Senor Capper]

Oh what a grueling day at work

That and I had to give my "baby blood" to the Blood Services
(that time of the month(s))

Anyway z....
Yes my father in law is a Catholic priest
Yes the marriage was "annulled"
Yes he was a alcoholic and a abusive father
(5) kids total.
He was ordained in Canada
(the only place that would accept him)
Now he practices in the U.S. and has his church.

My wife just had her first marriage annulled.
He was an alcoholic and a problem gambler.
It took alot of time and paperwork from both sides to get this done but it is now complete. I may go through the Catholic thangy just for her and exchange our vows in the church. I know it means alot to her and would never deny her anything.

~~~Lanny "the Holy One"

 

[kosar]

Originally posted by Ronbets:
Neemer,

The priest is bound by the cloak of secrecy of the Confessional. No exceptions. For example, if he broke his vows revealing a serial killers identity, he'd still be censured privately. His next duty assignment wouldn't be the Vatican. More likely a leper colony. All this happening while the Church would be basking in glory for their 'behind the scenes' helping officials solve a case.

Ronbets,

Truer words were never spoken. If anybody needs info on how the Catholic church operates, they should be referred to your post.

(ooops, did I say that , or just think it?)

 

[djv]

My anullment after 19 years, yes 19 years. Cost just 500 bucks. They wanted 600 I said I only have 500. Take it or I leave it.
By buddy they clipped 1000 out of after 21 years. Then after he gave the money got piss and left the church. Now that was smart. I remind him every chance I get.
Oh Good Lord I can't believe this is the way you wanted it. It's more about money then saving souls. Oh heck bingo anyone.

 

[Neemer]

Ronbets...

IF the Priest withheld information about a murder or rape, would he not be guilty of a crime in the eyes of the United States government? I dunno if it's legal or not, but I would assume that ANY person would be thrown in the can for doing this. I dunno if it's a felony, but would certainly have to be at least a misdemeanor. BUT, I don't recall ever reading about a Priest being thrown in the joint...

 

[Ronbets]

Neemer,

Good question. Answer? The Church's position here recognizes the priest as a conduit to the Supreme Being. The state would create a living legend by jailing him. The Church would support him to the end.

I guess this would fall under the Separation of Church and State umbrella.

 

[dawgball]

Neemer

The court has no power over information that a priest acquired during the act of Confession. They can not as much as try to force information from him. They are protected in the same way a lawyer is with confidentiality.

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