SLEEPER QB'S?????

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K guys.......if we don't get the chance to get the top 5 QB's who do you think will be this years "Stafford"???

I hear a lot about Matt Ryan. He put up pretty solid numbers last year, but new off coord could be tough to adjust too early. Seems every season he's down on the list....if he was that good why is he always ranked so low?? Matt Shaub too......this guy could be very elite if he didn't get injured so much.


Matt Flynn?? RG3??? Luck???
 

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have seen Ryan goes as late as the 7th round ..

not a bad p/u there if one has been able to load uo those 3 key offensive spots..

they being at least 1 primo receiver..running back and a top tier TE..

now of course this reflects PPR League selecting..

I have done about 20 mock drafts so far and the top 3 qb's are always gone in the first round..

by round 3 another 3 or 4 are gone..

Ryan can certainly be a great p/u in gathered up in those late rounds..
 

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have seen Ryan goes as late as the 7th round ..

not a bad p/u there if one has been able to load uo those 3 key offensive spots..

they being at least 1 primo receiver..running back and a top tier TE..

now of course this reflects PPR League selecting..

I have done about 20 mock drafts so far and the top 3 qb's are always gone in the first round..

by round 3 another 3 or 4 are gone..

Ryan can certainly be a great p/u in gathered up in those late rounds..

I have had Matty Ice as my starter for three straight years, I have won two out of three SB's with him.
 

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I'll make sure you don't get him this season..:popcorn2

Don't you dare!!! You know what is funny is I am very bad about talking strategy with opponents prior to the draft and then get so pissed when those guys poach my picks knowing full well that they had no intentions of taking that player until I mentioned them.

I gotta stop that. lol

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I have had Matty Ice as my starter for three straight years, I have won two out of three SB's with him.

Really?? Good food for thought there......I think Jay Cutler could have a BIG stat season barring injury of course!

You think the new off coord for ATL could have any affect on Matty?? I hear they're gonna pass more.....
 

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Really?? Good food for thought there......I think Jay Cutler could have a BIG stat season barring injury of course!

You think the new off coord for ATL could have any affect on Matty?? I hear they're gonna pass more.....

Please don't say anything good about Cutler again as the draft is coming up. :SIB lol.

I am a Bears fan also and he is sure to suck and get hurt, as a matter of fact I heard his arm is jumping out of socket when he is smoking crack now!! :SIB

Yea, I think you are right. Yes, the Matty Ice thing is true as a matter of fact I traded away Aaron Rodgers and Nate Burleson to get Matty Ice and Megaton. I already had Julio Jones so I had a good year. I think that the new offense will be fantastic for Ice. He has put on about eight pounds of lean muscle mass this off season and gotten more velocity on his passes. He already throws the second best deep ball in the game and with defenses not being surprised by Julio anymore, Roddy is going to be open early and often. I also see Turner having a big year. He has some miles on him but so did LaDanian when he went to the Jets and was effective there with a poor passing game. There offense is talented at every key position and will be in the top five all year in my opinion. I think you will see some old favorites in the top five also but I also think you will see three from one division in the top five offenses. Adding; Matty was a beast in the second half of the season especially last year, throwing four tds in one game three in another. He got stronger as the season progressed and now he is starting stronger too.

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I'm on board with Cutler this year. I've always thought he was a solid QB and now he has Brandon Marshall to throw to. Sorry FDC, I'm really not trying to hex the Bears I just see that entire team as a sleeper.
 

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For years, Fantasy owners have been cautiously optimistic about Joe Flacco having a breakout season. And for years, Fantasy owners have been disappointed. Flacco has been decidedly mediocre in his four seasons in Baltimore, never topping 3,622 passing yards or 25 touchdowns in a single season.

Over the last three years including the playoffs (54 games) he's had nine games with at least 300 yards passing and 24 games with multiple touchdowns. He'll have promising young targets in Torrey Smith and Ed Dickson to go with reliable veterans like Anquan Boldin and Ray Rice, and he'll be in a contract year to boot. But with so many other quarterbacks established in the league, and plenty more on the cusp of joining them as elite Fantasy options, Flacco falls in line as a good enough No. 2 quarterback who some owners will settle for.

Expect him to be a middle- to late-round pick who will start the season hot before cooling off - that's how he's performed in the previous few seasons.



http://peteys.football.cbssports.com/players/rankings
 

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I'm on board with Cutler this year. I've always thought he was a solid QB and now he has Brandon Marshall to throw to. Sorry FDC, I'm really not trying to hex the Bears I just see that entire team as a sleeper.

You aren't hexing them brother, no worries!!

Giving away my draft strategy maybe though...lol...

I am just playing around man. I like the moves the team has made and think they will contend for the SB if they stay healthy. I think you will see three teams from the Norris division make it to the playoffs this year. :0074
 

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You aren't hexing them brother, no worries!!

Giving away my draft strategy maybe though...lol...

I am just playing around man. I like the moves the team has made and think they will contend for the SB if they stay healthy. I think you will see three teams from the Norris division make it to the playoffs this year. :0074

Hey fatdaddy.....you mind sharing how your teams were and how you drafted the years you had Matty Ice at QB and won the SB's?? Thinking hard of going that route.....getting Ryan late I'm sure you bolstered up other spots. Curious what spots you bolstered up first and what round is safe to get Ryan before someone snatches him up?? I think I'm gonna go Ryan or Cutler this season getting either one fairly late. Just hard if you get pick 1-4 or 5 not drafting Brady or Brees or Rodgers if they're there. Some weeks they can give you a "W" by themselves.

Who are your top 5 RB's in order of preference? From doing some mocks...if I was in slot 9-12 looks like McFadden was the best choice at RB. I got Mathews once, but doubt very he drops that low in my leagues. McFadden worthy of a #1 pick???


Thanks!!


Oh...and if you're interested.....I am VERY high on Stephen Jackson this year!! I know....I know.....many hate that guy from previous years, but I'm seeing very different this season with Fisher there for the Rams!! This team will WANT to be out there unlike previous seasons. They will be MUCH improved!! Jeff Fisher is a winner!!! I heard Jackson has come into camp slimmed down 10-15 pounds and looks great so far!!! He's a rare every down back that will get a ton of carries and catches. My guts tell'n me he's gonna resemble Eddie George when Fisher coached him with the Titans years back........I could be delusional here, but I think he'll be a steal getting him as a RB2 along with a top notch RB1. We'll see how preseason goes.....
 

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at 9-10-11-12 you should have a shot ...

Rodgers BradyBrees and Stafford/Newton are disappearing in ppr mocks in the 1st round..of course the top 3 backs are gone within the first 7 selections all most every time..

ya can get Chic. boy late..Matty ain't going to be around late anymore..especially with coach stating they will throw and throw some more..

zMc is falling right to the last 2 spots quite a bit..
 

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now about Timmy and all those Super Bowl Rings..:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 

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Hey fatdaddy.....you mind sharing how your teams were and how you drafted the years you had Matty Ice at QB and won the SB's?? Thinking hard of going that route.....getting Ryan late I'm sure you bolstered up other spots. Curious what spots you bolstered up first and what round is safe to get Ryan before someone snatches him up?? I think I'm gonna go Ryan or Cutler this season getting either one fairly late. Just hard if you get pick 1-4 or 5 not drafting Brady or Brees or Rodgers if they're there. Some weeks they can give you a "W" by themselves.

Who are your top 5 RB's in order of preference? From doing some mocks...if I was in slot 9-12 looks like McFadden was the best choice at RB. I got Mathews once, but doubt very he drops that low in my leagues. McFadden worthy of a #1 pick???


Thanks!!


Oh...and if you're interested.....I am VERY high on Stephen Jackson this year!! I know....I know.....many hate that guy from previous years, but I'm seeing very different this season with Fisher there for the Rams!! This team will WANT to be out there unlike previous seasons. They will be MUCH improved!! Jeff Fisher is a winner!!! I heard Jackson has come into camp slimmed down 10-15 pounds and looks great so far!!! He's a rare every down back that will get a ton of carries and catches. My guts tell'n me he's gonna resemble Eddie George when Fisher coached him with the Titans years back........I could be delusional here, but I think he'll be a steal getting him as a RB2 along with a top notch RB1. We'll see how preseason goes.....

In those three year I had the 6, 11, and 9th picks. Not necessarily in that order as last year is when I had the sixth.

This year I have Calvin Johnson rated at 6, no qbs in the first round, but that is because I have already resigned myself to not draft Rodgers unless I was into the second round or something obviously. I think you need an elite RB that gets a lot of touches in a ppr league. RB's like Ray Rice and McCoy, Foster, Mathews, Johnson, C. Johnson WR, Forte, etc.. get lots of touches and are on good offenses. This year you will see the run on Receivers start mid second round. Again, I have my own rating system really but my second pick will usually be a top three receiver on my board. If there is an elite back available, for instance this year I have the 11th pick. My second round pick is something I would like to trade down in in the second actually and up in the third as this is where all the players I have targeted are kind of grouped up.
Anyway, in the second is usually where I go for the best available player and this year the next three picks of mine will be receivers. Here is the deal also, don't jump the gun on your qb whether you have Ice or JC targeted because there are others that will get you similar numbers. Consistent starters is how I go and I take my defense and kicker dead last. I draft only one defense and one kicker and TE usually but I will also draft both cutler and Ice if they fall to me and they are the best player available where I have them placed and trade one of them when I need something during bye weeks.

SJax is a big strong guy and I agree with everything you say about him and Jeff Fisher, here is the problem with them together. Jeff Fisher is going to bring a zone blocking scheme to that offense and SJax is not the back for that blocking scheme at all. I think he will struggle as far as the blocking schemes Fisher likes to run are designed for a fast double cut back. I also have questions on pass protection and the fact they drafted a third down back in Peeh in the early second round. If you look at the way CJ2K was successful was with misdirection and weak side runs that require an early cutback which is why SJax lost some weight this offseason in an effort to be lighter on his feet but I just don't see me taking him anywhere before number 30 or so. I have Shonn Greene rated higher because, well because of everything. If you want a back I would not make him my choice for an early round pick. I would much rather have Murray or Forte.
Martin in TB, Turner, and the law firm are better options for you in later rounds. All will be starters on better offenses and get you similar numbers and not be a health question. Ahmad Bradshaw should be available in the third also if you are really worried about a back but he does catch a lot of passes.
I am all about the best player available and having tiered players in each category.

Adding; The Eddie George years were also a different offense and blocking scheme. Eddie also had a VERY mobile QB that was a threat to run at any time, and he had nobody behind him either. Also take note as to how fast Eddie declined once he did. His first bad game was the last decent game he had due to the number of touches he got. I think the offenses and qb's are far too different to think that he is going to make a power runner our of SJax. Don't get me wrong, I have had him twice and when he is good his is awesome but it always only three games a season.

Hope that helps,
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In those three year I had the 6, 11, and 9th picks. Not necessarily in that order as last year is when I had the sixth.

This year I have Calvin Johnson rated at 6, no qbs in the first round, but that is because I have already resigned myself to not draft Rodgers unless I was into the second round or something obviously. I think you need an elite RB that gets a lot of touches in a ppr league. RB's like Ray Rice and McCoy, Foster, Mathews, Johnson, C. Johnson WR, Forte, etc.. get lots of touches and are on good offenses. This year you will see the run on Receivers start mid second round. Again, I have my own rating system really but my second pick will usually be a top three receiver on my board. If there is an elite back available, for instance this year I have the 11th pick. My second round pick is something I would like to trade down in in the second actually and up in the third as this is where all the players I have targeted are kind of grouped up.
Anyway, in the second is usually where I go for the best available player and this year the next three picks of mine will be receivers. Here is the deal also, don't jump the gun on your qb whether you have Ice or JC targeted because there are others that will get you similar numbers. Consistent starters is how I go and I take my defense and kicker dead last. I draft only one defense and one kicker and TE usually but I will also draft both cutler and Ice if they fall to me and they are the best player available where I have them placed and trade one of them when I need something during bye weeks.

SJax is a big strong guy and I agree with everything you say about him and Jeff Fisher, here is the problem with them together. Jeff Fisher is going to bring a zone blocking scheme to that offense and SJax is not the back for that blocking scheme at all. I think he will struggle as far as the blocking schemes Fisher likes to run are designed for a fast double cut back. I also have questions on pass protection and the fact they drafted a third down back in Peeh in the early second round. If you look at the way CJ2K was successful was with misdirection and weak side runs that require an early cutback which is why SJax lost some weight this offseason in an effort to be lighter on his feet but I just don't see me taking him anywhere before number 30 or so. I have Shonn Greene rated higher because, well because of everything. If you want a back I would not make him my choice for an early round pick. I would much rather have Murray or Forte.
Martin in TB, Turner, and the law firm are better options for you in later rounds. All will be starters on better offenses and get you similar numbers and not be a health question. Ahmad Bradshaw should be available in the third also if you are really worried about a back but he does catch a lot of passes.
I am all about the best player available and having tiered players in each category.

Adding; The Eddie George years were also a different offense and blocking scheme. Eddie also had a VERY mobile QB that was a threat to run at any time, and he had nobody behind him either. Also take note as to how fast Eddie declined once he did. His first bad game was the last decent game he had due to the number of touches he got. I think the offenses and qb's are far too different to think that he is going to make a power runner our of SJax. Don't get me wrong, I have had him twice and when he is good his is awesome but it always only three games a season.

Hope that helps,
FDC


Great write up brother!!! Thank you very much...will take all into consideration. :0074

I've only been playing fantasy for a few years surprisingly.....been wagering on games for 20+. Do you have any rules in which you go by depending on what selection you are dealt?? Example if you get picks 1-6...go with best RB....if you get picks 7-10 go with best receiver....etc. Doing these mocks it seems if you get dealt an 8-12 pick the top notch RB's are gone to use as #1 pick, so do you change your strategy and go with the next best WR as your #1? Been seeing guys like McFadden/Lynch available around the 8-12th spots, but not sure picking them as a #1 selection is wise........thoughts??
 
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