so if auburn is overated...

[ballsweat]

DVLLSU>>>

DVLLSU>>>

I think you have blinders and SEC bias. I care less what you think of the PAC, but your USC hatred is nauseating.

Just let me know when and who was the last team from the SEC that beat USC? It was years ago. This current version, 2001 present was built to contend with teams like the LSU, FL, and AU's.

Would I sit here and say that this year's team would run the gauntlet in the SEC, absolutely not. I would think they may lose 1 maybe 2 games. But think about all the gimme OOC games they would get to play by being in the SEC. They could drop ND and Nebraska. They could add La Lafayette and Wofford. That plus the SEC bottom feeders would get them to at least 10 wins.

Am I am still waiting for you to name the last SEC team to beat USC.

By the way the SEC is the best conference. But who really cares. Just be a LSU fan. Isn't that enough? DOes everything have to be justified? People respect LSU, what more do you want?

 

[Gators4Life]

Do you watch SEC football? Are you telling me Joe Tereshinski will make much of a difference in Georgia's offense? Please...

He kept it close last year against Florida. 13-16 making his first start against the Gators in the World's Largest Cocktail party.

 

[gman2]

He kept it close last year against Florida. 13-16 making his first start against the Gators in the World's Largest Cocktail party.

have to agree with dirty diapers here. losing tereshinski isnt exactly a crushing loss. all richt asked him to do against florida last year was manage the game and keep it close to give his defense a shot to win it. but his a second-tier qb at best. and he wouldnt have seen the field at all if it werent for shockley getting hurt.

 

[Gators4Life]

have to agree with dirty diapers here. losing tereshinski isnt exactly a crushing loss. all richt asked him to do against florida last year was manage the game and keep it close to give his defense a shot to win it. but his a second-tier qb at best. and he wouldnt have seen the field at all if it werent for shockley getting hurt.

I'm not doubting that, but with him in it wouldn't have been close against Colorado. Its not even necessarily his talent, its the entire team knowing that what they've practiced for the last 8 months is going to be implemented with all of the same people.

 

[Scott4USC]

How much do you actually follow the SEC? UGA's QB went down and they are on the shoulders of two freshman. You cant use that example...

The Team A is better than Team B which is better than Team C therefore Team A is better than Team C argument is tired.

YES I am aware of current situation with UGA QB's. Doesn't matter. We are debating where Georgia stands in the SEC. So whoever is at QB is factored in. We are talking about what UGA has accomplished this season. It speaks volumes about the SEC if you think UGA is a top team in the conference.

 

[Phenom]

Damn, Scott, why don't you :mj22: some more...

 

[Scott4USC]

Damn, Scott, why don't you :mj22: some more...

:mj01:

If you noticed, I am replying to other posters. What a worthless post. :nono:

 

[Phenom]

:mj01:

If you noticed, I am replying to other posters. What a worthless post. :nono:

Yeah with more of your USC garbage, where you pick the stats that help your argument and leave out the ones that don't....:nono: :sadwave:

 

[Scott4USC]

Yeah with more of your USC garbage, where you pick the stats that help your argument and leave out the ones that don't....:nono: :sadwave:

:142lmao:

Now this post was funny. Why the hell would I post stats that do not support my argument? Why would I even try and find stats that counter my argument? WHO THE FAWK WOULD DO THAT? If you choose to debate me, YOU find the stats that support YOUR argument or stats that counter MY ARGUMENT. :142smilie

 

[Phenom]

:142lmao:

Now this post was funny. Why the hell would I post stats that do not support my argument? Why would I even try and find stats that counter my argument? WHO THE FAWK WOULD DO THAT? If you choose to debate me, YOU find the stats that support YOUR argument or stats that counter MY ARGUMENT. :142smilie

I am to lazy to do that, I much rather enjoy getting under your skin...:SIB

 

[Gators4Life]

:142lmao:

Now this post was funny. Why the hell would I post stats that do not support my argument? Why would I even try and find stats that counter my argument? WHO THE FAWK WOULD DO THAT? If you choose to debate me, YOU find the stats that support YOUR argument or stats that counter MY ARGUMENT. :142smilie

Um because thats logical? You present both sides, but you distinguish the other side's facts from yours. Its called pursuasive arguments.

"While SEC fans would say this...this other, stronger fact supports this."

Dont go into law.

 

[Scott4USC]

Um because thats logical? You present both sides, but you distinguish the other side's facts from yours. Its called pursuasive arguments.

"While SEC fans would say this...this other, stronger fact supports this."

Dont go into law.

I don't need to make arguments for you. Make them yourself or don't debate me. If you do not have the intellect to do the same with me, do not debate me.

An example below........

You make a very good point; USC might play a few ranked teams...but I want to see them play some tough defenses week in and week out that hit harder than any other conference and can pound the ball up the middle as well.

Teams in the SEC are much more prone to injury and dont have the luxury of recovering for three weeks from high ankle sprains, bruised sternums, and other small injuries that would put someone out for a week or two.

:mj07:

Auburn played @ Miss. St. before playing LSU @HOME then followed that tough LSU game with home game vs Buffalo @HOME. :mj07:

Let see, what is Auburns next tough game. They play @South Carolina (crappy team) before playing FLORIDA @HOME. Then follow that tough FL game with TULANE @HOME. :mj07:

Then Auburn plays Ole Miss (sucks), Arkansas St. (WTF), Georgia (who is WAY over-rated) but lets pretend that is TOUGH game but that is still @AUBURN. :shrug:

When does Auburn play anyone good on the road? We saw how AU looked on the road against South Carolina breaking in new QB AND freshman OL.

Auburn just made YOUR POST look silly. :142smilie

LSU who is also an elite SEC team played weakest opening 5 games of any team in CFB, but FL is tough team in there schedule which is followed by KENTUCKY. So where is the brutal back to back tough SEC games week in week out? LSU doesn't have any. Top of that, LSU only plays 4 road games all year.

LETS PRETEND GEORGIA IS AN ELITE TEAM. They play Ole Miss before Tennessee and VANDY after TN. TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH. BTW, TN is @GEORGIA. Then GEORGIA plays Miss. St. before Florida and Kentucky AFTER Florida. TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH. Georgia plays Kentucky before Aurburn. So where is Georgia schedule so tough week in week out? Is there OOC schedule early in season tough with Western Kentucky :mj07: , UAB, and CO? I guess it is the SEC so it must be tough. :shrug:

FL does have tough schedule, i give them that. The only 2 teams in the SEC I respect are TN and FL. Year in year out they play tough schedule. That means the entire season.

I still don't understand why FL playing WESTERN CAROLINA? :shrug: Guess FL really isn't an elite team if they must schedule directional schools for easy W's. Don't cry when you are left out of BCS.

ALL IN ALL, your post is quite silly. :nono:

 

[Gators4Life]

If I use emoticons left and right, does that make my argument stronger? :nono:

When I make a good point, should I emphasize them with this :142smilie ?

You make arguments that go directly against your team. Now who is making the wrong arguments?

I don't need to make arguments for you. Make them yourself or don't debate me. If you do not have the intellect to do the same with me, do not debate me.

An example below........





Auburn played @ Miss. St. before playing LSU @HOME then followed that tough LSU game with home game vs Buffalo @HOME.

USC played Arkansas before playing Nebraska @ home and then followed up that tough game with a road game at Arizona! Oooo tough matchup that was :mj07:

Let see, what is Auburns next tough game. They play @South Carolina (crappy team) before playing FLORIDA @HOME. Then follow that tough FL game with TULANE @HOME.

Lets see, what is USC's next tough game? They play at Washington State (craapy team) before playing WASHINGTON @HOME. Then follow that tough Wash game with ASU @HOME :mj07:

Then Auburn plays Ole Miss (sucks), Arkansas St. (WTF), Georgia (who is WAY over-rated) but lets pretend that is TOUGH game but that is still @AUBURN.

Then USC plays Oregon State (sucks), Stanford (ooo I'll hold my breath), Oregon State (WAY over-rated, should not have beat OU), and California (who LOSS to Tennessee), but lets pretend those last two are tough, but wait...they are AT HOME

When does Auburn play anyone good on the road? We saw how AU looked on the road against South Carolina breaking in new QB AND freshman OL.

When does USC every play anyone good on the road? Last time USC was on the road against Wash State they didnt look too good either. :nono: :scared

Auburn just made YOUR POST look silly.

LSU who is also an elite SEC team played weakest opening 5 games of any team in CFB, but FL is tough team in there schedule which is followed by KENTUCKY. So where is the brutal back to back tough SEC games week in week out? LSU doesn't have any. Top of that, LSU only plays 4 road games all year.

Your "elite" teams haven't played much either, and when they have...they either loss or completely deserved the loss. Again...nice way to completely parallel your criticisms to USC's shortcomings.

LETS PRETEND GEORGIA IS AN ELITE TEAM. They play Ole Miss before Tennessee and VANDY after TN. TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH. BTW, TN is @GEORGIA. Then GEORGIA plays Miss. St. before Florida and Kentucky AFTER Florida. TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH. Georgia plays Kentucky before Aurburn. So where is Georgia schedule so tough week in week out? Is there OOC schedule early in season tough with Western Kentucky :mj07: , UAB, and CO? I guess it is the SEC so it must be tough.

I could spew on about Cal and Oregon, use a few smilies :sadwave: but the argument would still be the same.

FL does have tough schedule, i give them that. The only 2 teams in the SEC I respect are TN and FL. Year in year out they play tough schedule. That means the entire season.

I still don't understand why FL playing WESTERN CAROLINA? :shrug: Guess FL really isn't an elite team if they must schedule directional schools for easy W's. Don't cry when you are left out of BCS.

ALL IN ALL, your post is quite silly.

Did you look at USC's schedule? Man, they sure have some tough tough tough teams lined up :mj07:

Oh, how many teams does USC play? 12? Do they play a conference championship? Hmm...

I'd say the only thing I'll give USC credit for is Notre Dame, but who even knows about them. They looked horrible against Michigan and got rolled, horrible against Michigan State and barely eeked out that win after a great 4th quarter (oh but there were three other quarters of pure crap before that), and other than that I just haven't watched them.

So...if you want to call my arguments silly or pathetic, go ahead, but the exact same arguments can be made for your team, except the arguments against your team (and conference for that matter) are much stronger than the ones against SEC teams.

If you want to keep being a jerk, have at it, I tried to keep this civil, and I believe it still is and that I left it with a nice air of satire.

 

[ageecee]

USC has played 4/4 BCS opponents. LSU has only played 3/5 BCS opponents. On top of that, USC played 3/4 road games to start season. LSU 4/5 games @home. NO comparison, MUCH tougher schedule for USC. You can't even debate it.

2 polls that are important are COACHES POLL and HARRIS POLL in terms of BCS pts.

USC was VERY vulnerable early in year and now USC got past that. Next 4 games for USC are the easiest stretch in USC's schedule. Therefore, USC will OPEN up the offense and dominate opponents like they always do in the PC era. USC O was very conservative in 1st 4 games because they bringing booty slowly. Now they will unleash him and throw downfield etc.

Then USC takes on the brutal part of the schedule in Oregon, CAL, ND and @UCLA all in a row.

Right now USC is #2 in both polls HARRIS and COACHES. Every team behind USC needed to jump USC NOW but they didn't. It is very unlikely USC will be jumped in the next 4 weeks blowing out opponents and looking strong. Booty will be mentioned for Heisman etc. Then in the stretch run, USC will be beating Oregon, CAL, ND, and UCLA, all quality opponents. You honestly think USC will be passed up in the polls after beating those teams? I'll have to see it to believe it. In November, it is VERY difficult for a team to jump someone in the polls. Not saying it can't be done but very unlikely. The only poll USC is #3 is AP which is not included in the BCS formula. USC and Ohio St. def. have the inside track if they win out, and lucky for USC, they have all their toughest opponents waiting at the end of the season back to back to back to back which will be enough to prevent anybody to jump them. Polsters will be impressed week after week.

Whether you agree or not, USC is the team that can beat OSU in Jan. Polsters will feel the same way and want a USC vs OSU matchup. OSU is not more talented than USC and at the end of the year, USC's talent will have matured and everyone will take notice. USC vs Oklahoma, USC vs Texas, star power vs star power. USC has proven itself to be top program in the country and they will want Ohio St. to win its BCS NC by beating USC. Oh yeah, Big 10 vs Pac 10 makes the matchup that much better!

REALITY CHECK for everyone. In last weeks game @WSU, USC had 2 returning starters from last year starting on defense. On offense, USC had only 3 returning starters starting from last year on offense. YEP, that is how talented USC is. Mostly frosh, sophs and juniors playing. They are 4-0, 3 wins on the road, #4 ranked SOS, ALL BCS OPPONENTS who are giving USC all they got. In the next 4 weeks USC will turn itself into the machine everyone is accustomed too seeing. Don't worry, the blowouts are coming and the polsters will take notice. Oh wait, they already have. USC is #2 in both BCS polls.

As for SOS, I said right now USC is ranked higher than every SEC team and USC closes the season strong against their toughest opposition. POLSTERS will be impressed. Auburn and LSU will never challenge in the computer polls with their schedules. Florida might have a strong computer rating. Remember, Florida played and plays Southern Miss, UCF, and Western Carolina. Also play bad SEC teams in Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina. FL does play great teams in LSU and Auburn but that prob. won't be enough to overcome USC's SOS.

Lastly, the Pac 10 teams all play each other in conf. play. NO NEED FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!

So basically what your saying is USC will go undeafeted the rest of the way and meet possible Ohio St in Championship Game should they run the table. So if USC is ranked #2 and they run the table then they are playing for the Championship Game.

 

[Gators4Life]

I also like how the "Polsters" he speaks of have given Auburn a first place vote, yet unexpectedly not voted for USC. Last week both teams got 2 first place votes. So it looks like the "Polsters" are unimpressed with USC's most recent win, but some remain impressed with Auburn.

 

[gman2]

I also like how the "Polsters" he speaks of have given Auburn a first place vote, yet unexpectedly not voted for USC. Last week both teams got 2 first place votes. So it looks like the "Polsters" are unimpressed with USC's most recent win, but some remain impressed with Auburn.

there are also two morons in the polls who think west virginia is the #1 team in the nation. that right there goes to show you how little the polls actually mean. anyone who thinks wvu is the best team in the country needs their vote rescinded immediately.

 

[johnnyb.]

f.w.i.w.
In the Anderson and Hester computer ranking, which is used by the BCS.
The Buckeyes are 5-0 versus the nation's 7th-toughest schedule to date
#7 Notre Dame has played the 2nd-toughest schedule (Fresno State has played the toughest)
Air Force and Navy, opponents this week, have both cracked the top-40
The Pac-10 has edged the SEC so far as the top conference, with the Big East placing a surprising 3rd
5 weeks into the season, only 13 undefeated teams remain.
1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Oregon
6. Auburn
7. Notre Dame
8. Louisville
9. Rutgers
10.Oklahoma
florida might have a chance as ohio st. & michigan
must play each other...

 

[Gators4Life]

there are also two morons in the polls who think west virginia is the #1 team in the nation. that right there goes to show you how little the polls actually mean. anyone who thinks wvu is the best team in the country needs their vote rescinded immediately.

Thats my point. He declares these polls to be extremely great and the all-mighty, yet he doesnt even see the flaws in the evidence he provides.

Fresno State has the hardest schedule so far? Uh...
Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado State? Oh, thats right, the computers cant watch the game and actually make an educated analysis...its all paper.

 

[Scott4USC]

Gators4Life

If you do not like the icons, ignore them. Concentrate on the content. I use the icons because they crack me up and I get joy out of using them. That is why they are there. I also enjoy counter arguing you SEC fans. It is fun and quite easy to do.

NOT sure where you were getting at with that post. :banghead: YOU were the one who said the SEC was tough week in week out, injuries etc. I quoted you. So I posted my reasonings for why your post was silly. I don't think I even mentioned USC's schedule. :shrug:

I guess your post was :topic:

Thats my point. He declares these polls to be extremely great and the all-mighty, yet he doesn't even see the flaws in the evidence he provides.

Fresno State has the hardest schedule so far? Uh...
Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado State? Oh, that's right, the computers cant watch the game and actually make an educated analysis...its all paper.

The polls I was referring too are calculated in determining who plays in the BCS NC game. So they are important. :yup And if you are a USC fan/supporter, you are happy they are #2 in both polls. Then I explained why I feel USC will not get jumped in the polls. I never said I agree/disagree on the poll rankings. I think my top 10 is different than any poll out there.

All in all, these polls are the "almighty" because they carry the most weight in determining who plays for the BCS NC.

 

[Scott4USC]

So basically what your saying is USC will go undeafeted the rest of the way and meet possible Ohio St in Championship Game should they run the table. So if USC is ranked #2 and they run the table then they are playing for the Championship Game.

I am assuming USC and either AU/FL runs the table. (big assumption)

Right now USC is #2 in both polls that weigh in the BCS. Right now USC has stronger SOS (3rd BCS component) than all SEC teams and USC still has their toughest opponents at the end of the season. IMO, if AU/FL or anybody else wanted to jump USC in the polls, they should have done it by now. Especially with USC not blowing out opponents. It will be too late in Novemeber, especially if the USC blowouts start to happen in OCT. which I predict. In Nov. USC will impress polsters week in week out by beating Oregon, CAL, ND and UCLA consecutively. TOUGH to jump USC after winning each week against those teams. We already know it is extremely difficult to jump teams in the polls and it rarely happens. A team usually must lose for them to be jumped. That is just the way it is.