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Sports Betting Hedge Fund Becomes Reality

Wednesday, 7 Apr 2010

By: Darren Rovell
CNBC Sports Business Reporter

Five and a half years ago, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban caused quite a stir when he announced on his blog his intentions to launch a sports betting hedge fund. Cuban argued that betting on sports, due to the amount of information available, was much easier than betting on the stock market.

A year after he floated the idea, Cuban gave it up, due to a whole bunch of obstacles, including the NBA?s bylaws that prohibit those in the league from being involved with gambling. But that didn?t mean the idea would go away forever.

A investment company in London named Centaur has just launched Galileo (link: http://www.centaurgalileo.com/).

Galileo?s managers analyze and trade the betting markets, taking the emotion out of the betting game and putting quantitative analysis in its place.

?We have unique software we?ve written over five years that ensures we purely trade on statistics and probabilities,? said Tony Woodhams, managing director of Centaur. ?The process is very clinical, which is our edge.?

Woodhams said that Cuban was right on when he said that the sports market has more inefficiencies than the stock market.

Besides emotion, Woodhams said that the sports market has a lot of mispricing, with some bookmakers that don?t often set the best lines for every game. The market isn?t effected by the economy and there?s no intervention from outside parties like a central bank or a government.

Those who got in on the ground floor of the fund have invested a minimum of $150,000. Woodhams said there are fewer than 20 founding investors, with the goal of growing assets under management to $100 million over the next two years.

Woodhams says the sports hedge fund?s projected rate of return is 15 to 25 percent. That?s after fees, which include a 3 percent management fee and a hefty 30 percent performance fee on net profits.

The fund will be betting on soccer, tennis, cricket, horse racing and golf, with plans to expand to the NFL and baseball over the next year.

As for a specific bet, the fund promises it won?t wager more than five percent of assets under management on any one event.

Woodhams is hoping Galileo can clear the necessary hurdles to open things up to American investors in early 2011.

Update: Mark Cuban, who first brought up this idea, thinks Galileo's setup is interesting. "I think it's great for all sports," Cuban told CNBC.com "If they show great results, people will figure out how they did it, which in turn will make the leagues smarter."

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I just wish I could get 10 percent of my losses back over the last 15 years gambling:scared
 

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I think it sounds like a good idea, although I don't fully understand whether they're actually betting or arbitraging.
 

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I think it sounds like a good idea, although I don't fully understand whether they're actually betting or arbitraging.

Yeah they leave a lot of info out............

Of course what I have noticed about the Market and Wall Street in general is its all just a bunch of gambling,hedging, hedging hedge bets, etc etc......

They try to make it so complicated so that no one understands when in fact its just a bunch of gambling moving money around using terms like CDS, CDO's, mortgage this and that.........all the while moving this money around they collect their fees and at the end someone gets paid (wall street) and someone loses (the consumer)

Look at AIG selling insurance on things they didnt have the money to back up a potential loss........

Thats like any one of us selling house insurance to gain say 10 million in premiums while having $500 to our name............WONDER HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE US TO GET RICH:mj07:
 

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Yeah they leave a lot of info out............

Didnt read too much, but wagering is legal in England, and I think that fund is based there. From the story sounds like they will be betting - but not more than 5% on any one event! The stock-market language about "inefficiencies" makes it sounds like their proprietary software will alert them to arbitrage opportunities. Certainly an interesting thing, whatever comes of it.

Of course what I have noticed about the Market and Wall Street in general is its all just a bunch of gambling,hedging, hedging hedge bets, etc etc......

It's no-risk gambling when they know their regulator pals will bail them out with public money.

They try to make it so complicated so that no one understands when in fact its just a bunch of gambling moving money around using terms like CDS, CDO's, mortgage this and that.........all the while moving this money around they collect their fees and at the end someone gets paid (wall street) and someone loses (the consumer)

It is funny that people think there's a big difference between sports betting and stock market "investment." People are taken in by words. Sports market is actually more transparent and honest than stock market.

Look at AIG selling insurance on things they didnt have the money to back up a potential loss........

Yeah they cheated their investor-suckers. Thanks to regulation, we all get to share in their loss/scam.
 

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[Tout comments on Galileo hedge fund]

GALILEO: THE SPORTS GAMBLING HEDGE FUND
04/12/2010 - By: David Chan

A UK-based company called Centaur has opened the world?s first hedge fund that will try to make money by betting on sports. The fund?s name is Galileo. I?m in the business of peddling my own handicapping advice, so I don?t want to spend this article taking cheap shots at the competition. That said, I think there are serious problems with their business model.

Galileo?s management fee is 50% more than a typical hedge fund. Most hedge funds go with the 2-and-20 compensation model: 2% annual management fee, plus fees of 20% of the profits (if any). In today?s market, reeling from the recent financial crisis, some reputable hedge funds charge less. Galileo is going with 3-and-30. On the upside, the minimum buy-in is $150K, with most hedge funds starting at $250K-$500K.

Galileo?s goal is to get $100 million under management within two years. If that happens, the fund could be a victim of its own success. As profitable hedge funds and mutual funds grow, it becomes harder and harder for them to outperform the market. Fewer and fewer deals are big enough to ?move the needle? and achieve results. If you look at a holding company like Berkshire Hathaway (similar to a long-only mutual fund, plus derivatives), it?s getting tougher and tougher for Warren Buffett to find meaningful deals that really impact the bottom line.

It?ll be the same with betting. If there?s $100 million under management at Galileo, $100K bets won?t add up to a hill of beans. If the managers and their computer programs can win, they?ll need to get down $500K, $1 million, or more per side. Aside from the NFL, major soccer matches, and in-play cricket, it?s extremely difficult to get down more than $250K without wrecking the market and your own average price in the process. That?s even more true if your action is perceived to be sharp. If this fund gets hot, it?s going to get a lot more complicated than picking winners. They?re going to have to manipulate pricing to get enough money down. That might include placing wrong-way head-fake bets?and that practice could attract regulatory attention.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban points out another problem. Mr. Cuban mused about opening such a hedge fund himself some years ago before NBA Commissioner David Stern told him to cease, desist, and shut the hell up. Mr. Cuban believes that the hedge fund concept?s potential fatal flaw is that if it?s successful, it will be raided and/or copied, and the edge will disappear. If a computer is making the plays, the computer?s picks will be reverse engineered by an outsider and copied going forward. If it?s a hot-shot handicapper, that guy will either move out on his own, or get lured away by a private backer.

Let?s see how the fund goes. I?ve laid out some of the pitfalls here, but I hope the Galileo fund succeeds. A successful hedge fund would further legitimize this passion of ours, and bring sports gambling further into the mainstream. That would be a winning ticket for all of us.
 

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