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Stop START

Nuclear treaty limits America?s options for missile defense

By Mitt Romney

December 3, 2010

WHY THE hurry, Mr. President? It?s a question we?ve asked twice before. There was a rush to pass his $787 billion ?stimulus?? to hold unemployment below 8 percent. Congress obliged, and now we are saddled with higher unemployment and crushing debt. Then there was his health care assault: no time for our representatives to even read the bill. As ObamaCare has been revealed, it has frightened business into retreating from hiring. Now the president is in a hurry again: affirm the New START treaty right away, he insists, during the lame duck session. Fall for his rush once, shame on him; twice, shame on Congress; a third time, shame all around.

A treaty so critical to our national security deserves a careful, deliberative look by the men and women America has just elected. The president is in a hurry for the same reason he has been in a hurry before: he knows that if his vaunted treaty is given a thorough review by the Senate, it will likely be rejected. And well it should.

Those who oppose New START are troubled by the answers to the following questions:

Does New START limit America?s options for missile defense? Yes. For the first time, we would agree to an interrelationship between strategic offensive weapons and missile defense. Moreover, Russia already asserts that the document would constitute a binding limit on our missile defense program. But the WikiLeaks revelation last weekend that North Korea has supplied Iran with long-range Russian missiles confirms that robust missile defense is urgent and indispensable.

■Is the treaty?s compliance verification program inadequate? Yes. In a break from prior treaties, we would no longer be allowed to witness the destruction of Russian mobile ICBMs and launchers. Further, the prior provision for continuous on-site inspection of the principal Russian missile factory would be eliminated. And our verification inspectors would only be permitted to view Russia?s officially declared facilities ? undeclared sites are available for treaty violations.


■Is Russia?s substantial nuclear missile advantage over the United States exacerbated? Yes. The treaty excludes tactical nuclear weapons where Russia has a more than five-to-one advantage. But these weapons are a threat to our forces abroad, and to our allies. Moreover, they could be re-deployed on Russia?s submarines to threaten us at home.


■Under the treaty limits, is the United States the only country that must reduce its launchers and strategic nuclear weapons? Yes. Russia has negotiated the treaty limits to conform to the weapon levels it has already planned. Thus, the United States must make what are effectively unilateral reductions.


■Does the treaty provide gaping loopholes that Russia could use to escape nuclear weapon limits entirely? Yes. For example, multiple warhead missile bombers are counted under the treaty as only one warhead. While we currently have more bombers than the Russians, they have embarked on new programs for long-range bombers and for air-launched nuclear cruise missiles. Thus, it is no surprise that Russia is happy to undercount missiles on bombers.


■Does the treaty restrict not only our strategic nuclear program but also our conventional weapons program? Yes. Any of our existing land-based or submarine-based launchers that are fitted with conventional weapons would be counted toward the treaty?s launchers limits.


■Does the treaty fail to limit Russia?s submarine-launched, long-range cruise missiles? Yes. As former CIA Director R. James Woolsey observes, given Russia?s planned deployment of a new 5,000 kilometer sub-launched cruise missile, ?It is inexplicable that the administration would seek no limitations over systems such as these.??


The administration excuses these lapses by insisting that Russia is not the bitter Cold War enemy of the past. Thus, more trust and less verify. But isn?t the administration also arguing that the Senate must immediately confirm the treaty in order to keep a Russian foe from taking imminent and dangerous nuclear steps? The president can?t have it both ways.

Mitt Romney is the former governor of Massachusetts.
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Republican ex-secretaries of state urge New START ratification permalink email story to a friend print version Published: 02 December, 2010, 14:05


TAGS: Arms, Conflict, Military, Nuclear, Russia, Politics, Law, USA


Five former US Secretaries of State under Republican administrations have appealed to Senators, urging them to ratify the American-Russian nuclear arms reduction treaty, known as New START.

The Washington Post published a letter written by Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell in which the five voice their backing to the new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START).
The crucial treaty ? which reduces American and Russian strategic warheads to 1,550 for each state from the current ceiling of 2,200 ? was signed by Presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev on April 8 in Prague. But the process of signing it into a mutually binding agreement has become stuck as the treaty has yet to be ratified by the parliaments either country.

To be ratified by the US, the New START has to get 67 out of 100 votes in Senate. However, Republican senators have so far been not too much in favor of giving their support to the pact.

In their letter, the ex-secretaries observe that in their ?crucial fight to protect the US against nuclear dangers,? former Republican presidents ? Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush ? negotiated the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty I (SALT I) as well as the two previous START agreements.

?All four recognized that reducing the number of nuclear arms in an open, verifiable manner would reduce the risk of nuclear catastrophe and increase the stability of America's relationship with the Soviet Union and, later, the Russian Federation. The world is safer today because of the decades-long effort to reduce its supply of nuclear weapons,? they are quoted as saying.

The politicians believe the new agreement ?is a modest and appropriate continuation of the START I?, which expired on December 5, 2009.

While not pushing for any exact timing of the Senate ratification vote, the five underlined that the most important things is ?to have bipartisan support for the treaty.?

The former senior officials also provided their cases as to why the document should be approved.

First of all, it ?emphasizes verification, providing a valuable window into Russia's nuclear arsenal?. Second, the treaty preserves US ?ability to deploy effective missile defenses.? The letter points out that the testimonies of American military chiefs as well as civilian leaders make it clear that the New START ?does not limit US missile defense plans.? Finally, the former secretaries noted, the Obama Administration agreed to ?provide for modernization of the infrastructure essential to maintaining our nuclear arsenal.? And funding those efforts, they observed, has been one of the stumbling blocks in the process of ratification.

The five former secretaries of state stressed that it is ?in the national interest to ratify New START.?

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Let's see. Who should the people of this country put more faith in, for most any reason other than pure politics?

Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell.

- Or -

Mitt Romney.

Wayne, do you really think Mitt Romney is more of an expert and more representative of what is good for our citizens than:

Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell?

Do you possibly think there might be other things involved in this treaty that Mr. Romney is not telling us, that might be good for our country and the world at large? Guessing you probably don't want to say that from a MadJack's posting board image, but seriously, you are putting your faith in Mitt Romney to compare to those other people in judging this issue?

On second thought, I'd guess that you and Mitt have a better handle on it that those other five former Secretary of States, and Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Carry on, with our best interests at heart, would you and Mitt?

And Ron Paul is somebody to worry about, right?
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Let's see. Who should the people of this country put more faith in, for most any reason other than pure politics?

Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell.

- Or -

Mitt Romney.

Wayne, do you really think Mitt Romney is more of an expert and more representative of what is good for our citizens than:

Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell?

Do you possibly think there might be other things involved in this treaty that Mr. Romney is not telling us, that might be good for our country and the world at large? Guessing you probably don't want to say that from a MadJack's posting board image, but seriously, you are putting your faith in Mitt Romney to compare to those other people in judging this issue?

On second thought, I'd guess that you and Mitt have a better handle on it that those other five former Secretary of States, and Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Carry on, with our best interests at heart, would you and Mitt?

And Ron Paul is somebody to worry about, right?
:mj07:

Excuse me Chad --you voted for Obama and asking me about experts :)

So far we have list of Romneys reasons to support his opinion of which not one has yet been challenged-

-and only rebuttal is name dropping:shrug:

Heres another for when your done with Romney--
The irrelevance of START


By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, November 26, 2010

It's a lame-duck session. Time is running out. Unemployment is high, the economy is dangerously weak and, with five weeks to go, no one knows what tax anyone will be paying on everything from income to dividends to death when the current rates expire Jan. 1. And what is the president demanding that Congress pass as "a top priority"? To what did he devote his latest weekly radio address? Ratification of his New START treaty.

Good grief. Even among national security concerns, New START is way down at the bottom of the list. From the naval treaties of the 1920s to this day, arms control has oscillated between mere symbolism at its best to major harm at its worst, with general uselessness being the norm.
The reason is obvious. The problem is never the weapon; it is the nature of the regime controlling the weapon. That's why no one stays up nights worrying about British nukes, while everyone worries about Iranian nukes.
In Soviet days, arms control at least could be justified as giving us something to talk about when there was nothing else to talk about, symbolically relieving tensions between mortal enemies. It could be argued that it at least had a soporific and therapeutic effect in the age of "the balance of terror."
But in post-Soviet days? The Russians are no longer an existential threat. A nuclear exchange between Washington and Moscow is inconceivable. What difference does it make how many nukes Russia builds? If they want to spend themselves into penury creating a bloated nuclear arsenal, be our guest.

President Obama insists that New START is important as a step toward his dream of a nuclear-free world. Where does one begin? A world without nukes would be the ultimate nightmare. We voluntarily disarm while the world's rogues and psychopaths develop nukes in secret. Just last week we found out about a hidden, unknown, highly advanced North Korean uranium enrichment facility. An ostensibly nuclear-free world would place these weapons in the hands of radical regimes that would not hesitate to use them - against a civilized world that would have given up its deterrent.
Moreover, Obama's idea that the great powers must reduce their weapons to set a moral example for the rest of the world to disarm is simply childish. Does anyone seriously believe that the mullahs in Iran or the thugs in Pyongyang will in any way be deflected from their pursuit of nukes by a reduction in the U.S. arsenal?
Obama's New START treaty is 90 percent useless and 10 percent problematic. One difficulty is that it restricts the number of delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons. But because some of these are dual-use, our ability to deliver long-range conventional weapons, a major U.S. strategic advantage, is constrained.
The second problem is the recurrence of language in the treaty preamble linking offensive to defensive nuclear weaponry. We have a huge lead over the rest of the world in missile defenses. Ever since the Reagan days, the Russians have been determined to undo this advantage. The New START treaty affirms the "interrelationship" between offense and defense. And Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has insisted that "the unchangeability of circumstances" - translation: no major advances in U.S. anti-missile deployment - is a condition of the entire treaty.
The worst thing about this treaty, however, is that it is simply a distraction. It gives the illusion of doing something about nuclear danger by addressing a non-problem, Russia, while doing nothing about the real problem - Iran and North Korea. The utter irrelevance of New START to nuclear safety was dramatically underscored last week by the revelation of that North Korean uranium enrichment plant, built with such sophistication that it left the former head of the Los Alamos National Laboratory "stunned." It could become the ultimate proliferation factory. Pyongyang is already a serial proliferator. It has nothing else to sell. Iran, Syria and al-Qaeda have the money to buy.
Iran's Islamic Republic lives to bring down the Great Satan. North Korea, nuclear-armed and in a succession crisis, has just shelled South Korean territory for the first time since the Korean armistice. Obama peddling New START is the guy looking for his wallet under the lamppost because that's where the light is good - even though he lost the wallet on the other side of town.
 

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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, November 26, 2010


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"A world without nukes would be the ultimate nightmare".
Wow... just wow.

Little Krauty's officially joined the ranks of the batshit crazy neocon club with that statement.

How can these neocons make statements like these without their close friends and relatives suggesting they seek treatment? :142smilie
 

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Wow... just wow.

Little Krauty's officially joined the ranks of the batshit crazy neocon club with that statement.

How can these neocons make statements like these without their close friends and relatives suggesting they seek treatment? :142smilie

i tried to ask Dogs to go on to the next ginned up crock of crap the right wants to pull but i guess he wanted to get in a last word on this bullshit they are pulling. It is amazing how these con artist have followers. If this doesn't tell ya that these fuks are no good nothing will.
 

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Wow... just wow.

Little Krauty's officially joined the ranks of the batshit crazy neocon club with that statement.

How can these neocons make statements like these without their close friends and relatives suggesting they seek treatment? :142smilie

Most people read whole paragraph--not your Micheal Moore ropa a dope--for dopes


A world without nukes would be the ultimate nightmare. We voluntarily disarm while the world's rogues and psychopaths develop nukes in secret. Just last week we found out about a hidden, unknown, highly advanced North Korean uranium enrichment facility. An ostensibly nuclear-free world would place these weapons in the hands of radical regimes that would not hesitate to use them - against a civilized world that would have given up its deterrent.
 

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Most people read whole paragraph--not your Micheal Moore ropa a dope--for dopes
Little Krauty said, and I quote... "A world without nukes would be the ultimate nightmare."

There's no way to back away from that statement. It was only a matter of time before little Krauty cracked and now he's as batshit crazy as the rest of the wingnut neocons. :142smilie
 
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