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1. What would screw the maximum number of people?

Pit winning by three.

2. Is there any reason to doubt Roethlisberger can pass easily and often against Seattle?

No. I don't care if they sack him a couple times. I've seen Seattle play, it can be passed on, by Alex Smith, by Steve McNair, certainly by Ben Roethlisberger.

3. Proposition: Roethlisberger 26.5 pass attempts -113 (over).

Would like to hear opinions on this. He completes most of his attempts, and Pit's been playing from the front. Possible he passes too well for the over! The number for the attempts prop has been low the last couple games, but I believe he covered both. I'm tempted toward the over, as a sort of hedge for Pit the side, as if Pit is down, he'll be throwing it often.

3. Is there any league agenda in having Pit or Sea win?

Not that I know of. No Dungy sympathy reversals in the offing, far as I can see. No minority coaches or QBs.

4. Why bet against Pit?

Best reason I can see is things in the NFL tend to reverse about the time the public catches on. Any public unpersuaded by Pit at Indy jumped on the bandwagon after Denver. Pit is a known brand. Has history and fan base probably 100x that of Seattle. Seattle only vaguely exists, as a city, let alone football team, in the mind of the East/South/Midwest, who vaguely recall Kurt Cobain was from there. Sea gets some of the Pac 10 disrespect.

5. Why bet against Sea?

Hasn't beaten anybody really good really hard. Seattle might be great, but you can't prove it by its results. Of course, neither can you disprove it. But Sea's record was compiled against weak teams. Steve McNair and the hapless Tenn boys had their way with Seattle for most of a December game. Backs were out, and Hasselbeck did rally a victory, but it's not real confidence inspiring for those considering betting Seattle, as this game took place in mid-December. Odd fact: most of Sea's games since vs indy have been played under abnormal circumstances. This is pretty much the first game in a couple months that Sea has played a healthy team with both sides having the same incentive to win.

Seattle comes from a far weaker conference; it's playing a top team; it's on the road. Why isn't the line 9 or 10?

Opinion: I think Sea's chances rest solely on the shoulders of Hasselbeck. If he can engineer a win, he's a major stud. I don't think he can. I think he's going to be forced out of his comfort zone. Even though he has a stellar record avoiding INTs, he's going to be trailing, at some point, and not able to rely on Alexander, who may well end up doing the Rockette bit on the sidelines.

I'm leery of one main thing: Pit dominating from the gun the last two weeks. Things generally reverse. I think this feeling, rather than fundamentals, underlies the smart guys' going with Seattle. That is, our in-house smart guys. According to the one article the wise ones in Vegas side with the public on Pit. Either way, I just suggest that I would not be surprised to see this game follow the pattern: Sea jumps to lead, Pit comes back and fails to cover 1h but wins by more than four in the end.

I really think a close game is a TD in this one, not a FG. The only thing that gives pause is that yes, a Pit 3pt win would make the books more money than anything else.
 

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2. Is there any reason to doubt Roethlisberger can pass easily and often against Seattle?
Seattle will invite Roethlisberger to throw short passes because that would be throwing into the Hawks strength and they will pick the kid off. Seattle will come up and stop Pittsburgh's weak running game with their front four, Willie Parker? Jerome Bettis?.......please. If Pittsburgh is gonna win this game ....I think that Ben will have to buy the time his receivers need to get open deep and if he can do that, then he can exploit Seattle's weakness........the secondary.

Either way this is gonna be a damn good game. I for one am looking forward to the matchups that we are gonna see Sunday.
 

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Killian said:
If Pittsburgh is gonna win this game ....I think that Ben will have to buy the time his receivers need to get open deep and if he can do that, then he can exploit Seattle's weakness........the secondary.

Yes...that's what's going to happen. Roeth throws ball over their head, they gnash their teeth while rec hands ball to ref/dances according to taste. After a couple touchdowns 4.2 Parker won't seem so slow.
 
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A point:

Pinny has a prop, -250 on Seattle holding a lead AT ANY TIME during this game. If the line is based on solid numerical evidence, as we can assume it is, then that means that betting on Pit now is foolish, as it's more than 2.5x as likely Pit backers can get a better line by betting live after Seattle takes the lead. Waiting also gives Pit backers a chance to see if they were completely wrong, in which case they can refrain from betting at all.
 
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Interesting props (overs)...

11.5 penalties -107

465.5 combined pass yrds. +104

Jurevicius 29.5 receving yards -102
 

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I like all these overs, esp the penalties.

Gotta figure minimum:

2 false starts
2 holds
2 late hits
2 kickoff back-blocks
2 pass interference
2 delay o' games
2 general douchebaggeries/numb-nutteries (knocking people over for the sheer fun of it, unlike skateboarding, is a crime)
2 bad calls/socialist calls (help the trailers get back in game)

I'd say that's a low estimate.

The line ought to be closer to fifteen.
 

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Opinion:

I say the very best bets, the absolute top of the cream of the crop, are certain, rare Overs.

But for average daily betting, unders are the way to go.
 

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James Witt said:
Pinny has a prop, -250 on Seattle holding a lead AT ANY TIME during this game. If the line is based on solid numerical evidence, as we can assume it is, then that means that betting on Pit now is foolish, as it's more than 2.5x as likely Pit backers can get a better line by betting live after Seattle takes the lead. Waiting also gives Pit backers a chance to see if they were completely wrong, in which case they can refrain from betting at all.

If you think about it, betting before the game begins only makes sense if you are close to 100% sure that the game will unfold a certain way. Only in the rare game are there no ups and downs, meaning that probably more than 90% of the time, taking the line before the game is not the optimal point for the side that ends up winning.

It appears that statistically it is extremely likely that Pit and Sea will lead at different points in this game, meaning that in the end it will have turned out, most likely, that both could have been had at odds on. I don't have a great deal of experience with live betting, but this generally is how it works out, especially in pros where you have some quality parity.
 

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Thinking further, the right thing to do might be to assume that the oddsmakers are correct, and that the game is likely to change leaders at least a couple times. That would indicate a ML bet on Sea to start, as it is a dog evidentially likely to lead outright at some point - at which you can insure your profit by taking Pit at even money or odds on. Might even enhance potential profits at comparatively low risk by taking Sea -3.5 or -6.5, which return multiples.

You can get Sea -6.5 at +348. If they were to get ahead a TD, you could probably get Pit at even money to win the game. Bet that, gives you a free shot at 3.5x return on wager.
 

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...from ESPN poll

1) Which team will win Super Bowl XL?

36.5% Steelers will win a close game
34.5% Seahawks will win a close game
17.1% Steelers will win easily
12.0% Seahawks will win easily

(7500+ votes)
 

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Two assumptions that may not be warranted:

1) the public is all over Pitt;
2) the sharps are on Sea
 

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3. Proposition: Roethlisberger 26.5 pass attempts -113 (over).

Would like to hear opinions on this. He completes most of his attempts, and Pit's been playing from the front. Possible he passes too well for the over! The number for the attempts prop has been low the last couple games, but I believe he covered both. I'm tempted toward the over, as a sort of hedge for Pit the side, as if Pit is down, he'll be throwing it often.
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Hell with number of attempts thats for suckers.

I like Roethlisberger to complete a high number of passes in this game . Is there a prop for that one ?
 

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our in-house smart guys. According to the one article the wise ones in Vegas side with the public on Pit. .

:s6: :s6: :hbd: :mj23: :mj23: :mj23: :clap: :yup
 

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Hell with number of attempts thats for suckers.

I like Roethlisberger to complete a high number of passes in this game . Is there a prop for that one ?

17 at -107 at Pinny

I think two games ago it was something like 14.5, ridiculously low. I don't know what it was last game.

Looks like there's a lag effect on picking up on how good a passer R is.

Sucker or not, I like the attempts more in this particular game.
 
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Game day thoughts:

1) prop: Hasselbeck TD passes 1.5 Under -144

So...if he's not passing for TDs, they're going to run it in? I don't see that at all.

2) Roeth. Over 225.5 passing yards -124

Easy winner.

3) Roeth. Over 26.5 pass attempts -119

Climbed from 112...

4) Roeth. rush for TD Yes +470

Decent return.

*****Interjection: It's pretty sad and unprofessional when books can't even spell players' names correctly (Hasselback, repeatedly, at Pinny). SLOPPY!******

5) Maurice Morris longest rush Over 4.5 yards +106

Very nice prop, like it a lot. Won't bet it, even though I think it will win, because I think Hassel. will be throwing most of the game. If you think Sea can run on Pit, this is an awesome prop. I don't think they can.

6) Mack Strong score rushing TD Yes +1027

Holmgren says this guy may be his favorite player. If he could, he just might reward him. Not a bad place to go for a big score -- if you think Sea will be moving and scoring without too many problems.

7) Sea score in 3 or more quarters: No +171

Not bad, may play this one.

8) Who will score more? Steelers in 1st half +8.5 points -112
or Sea for game?

Love Pit!

9) 2h line Steelers -1.5 points -110

Another great one.

10) Largest lead by either team? Over 13.5 points -128

Winner.
 
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