Terrible Bullpens

Chip Hilton

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The way so many bullpens have been struggling lately, I am starting to wonder if a successful strategy would be to play the Under for five innings and the Over for the game.

Some of these set up men just can't throw strikes and when they do, the batters are hammering them. It seems the pitching is so watered down that the low budget teams just don't put any money into the bullpen and are running Triple A pitchers out there. On top of that, many closers are blowing saves as well.

If it was the same result for the game throughout (Over/Over or Under/Under) you might lose a bit of juice depending on the line. However from what I've seen, you'd win alot more games on the Under / Over strategy than ever playing the Over / Under. At least for this year.

You'd have to be selective and look for ideal spots like say the teams top set up man went two or so innings the day before but I feel you could spot some winners this way.

Obviously Vegas knows how bad the bullpens are but they can only cover a situation like this to a certain extent. I mean they can't put out a five inning total at three and full game total at eleven and a half. Most five inning lines are 4 to 5 1/2 (some 3 1/2's in the NL) and game totals of 8 1/2 to 10. Of course it would highly depend on the starting pitchers and the teams playing.

Just starting to wonder if there is money to be made this way if being selective after seeing so many games blow up in the 7th, 8th and 9th. Any thoughts? :shrug:
 

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The way so many bullpens have been struggling lately, I am starting to wonder if a successful strategy would be to play the Under for five innings and the Over for the game.

Some of these set up men just can't throw strikes and when they do, the batters are hammering them. It seems the pitching is so watered down that the low budget teams just don't put any money into the bullpen and are running Triple A pitchers out there. On top of that, many closers are blowing saves as well.

If it was the same result for the game throughout (Over/Over or Under/Under) you might lose a bit of juice depending on the line. However from what I've seen, you'd win alot more games on the Under / Over strategy than ever playing the Over / Under. At least for this year.

You'd have to be selective and look for ideal spots like say the teams top set up man went two or so innings the day before but I feel you could spot some winners this way.

Obviously Vegas knows how bad the bullpens are but they can only cover a situation like this to a certain extent. I mean they can't put out a five inning total at three and full game total at eleven and a half. Most five inning lines are 4 to 5 1/2 (some 3 1/2's in the NL) and game totals of 8 1/2 to 10. Of course it would highly depend on the starting pitchers and the teams playing.

Just starting to wonder if there is money to be made this way if being selective after seeing so many games blow up in the 7th, 8th and 9th. Any thoughts? :shrug:

I would definitely think there is GREAT VALUE in LIVE BETTING (I dont have it unfortunately on ANY of the books I use) when a FAVORITE, say, is LOSING by 2 runs going into the 7th... You know the dog team's pitcher is done and the pen is coming out when the home fave gets up to bat. This is where you place your bet on the home fave (to start the game, probably a big dog now down 2 runs and 3 innings to go) to comeback and win the game knowing the bullpen is like Mil's or Cinci's or AZ's or even Col's... (many more lately to list) and has a great chance of giving up 2+ runs PER INNING...

That is the biggest angle I think... Another one is if the bets are provided is to take the OVER on the final 4.5 innings... (some books have this I have heard, just like 1st 5 innings)
 

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I would definitely think there is GREAT VALUE in LIVE BETTING (I dont have it unfortunately on ANY of the books I use) when a FAVORITE, say, is LOSING by 2 runs going into the 7th... You know the dog team's pitcher is done and the pen is coming out when the home fave gets up to bat. This is where you place your bet on the home fave (to start the game, probably a big dog now down 2 runs and 3 innings to go) to comeback and win the game knowing the bullpen is like Mil's or Cinci's or AZ's or even Col's... (many more lately to list) and has a great chance of giving up 2+ runs PER INNING...

That is the biggest angle I think... Another one is if the bets are provided is to take the OVER on the final 4.5 innings... (some books have this I have heard, just like 1st 5 innings)


WSEX (not sure of any others) offers the live betting and the situation you mentioned can be profitable if you have the right situations. Many people have trouble betting dogs (even in this fine MJ forum, I see some people who list there plays never taking a dog unless it's on the - 1 1/2 RL) and would probably be even more reluctant if the team they were going to play was down a couple of runs late. However, if you can pull the trigger in those situations, I think it could prove to be highly profitable!

As you brought up, I think playing the Over in the final 4.5 innings under the right circumstances, could prove to be profitable. So far, I haven't seen any books offering those bets. If someone knows of a book that does, please let me know.

I heard some offer the final 4.5 inning totals on TV games and the playoffs but those are involving the good teams. I'm more looking for this bet on the low budget teams with weak middle relief bullpens.

Thanks and thank you boundbook for your input.
 
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