The Coming Postal Bailout

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The Coming Postal Bailout

One thing we'll say about federal bailouts?if you pay attention, you can usually see them coming a mile away. It was true of Fannie Mae and General Motors, and it's increasingly clear that the next candidate will be the U.S. Postal Service.
The odds of a multibillion-dollar rescue package went way up this week when Postal Service management reported a $2.2 billion loss for the first quarter, more than 25% higher than last year despite the economic recovery. It now appears that the $15 billion line of credit the feds have offered USPS will be used up by the end of this year, with low odds on ever being paid back.
If that isn't ugly enough, the Postal Service expects $42 billion in additional losses over the next four years. Mail volume and revenues have suffered what Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe concedes are "unprecedented declines" since 2006, with projections of another drop of 20 billion letters mailed by the end of the decade, down from 171 million this year, thanks to competition from electronic mail.
If this were a private business, the obvious response to these losses would be urgent cost-cutting to avoid insolvency. Instead, Postal Service management recently concluded negotiations offering the 205,000-member American Postal Workers Union a new four-and-a-half-year contract that will provide a 3.5% pay raise over three years, dole out automatic cost of living wage hikes after 2012, and expand no-layoff protections.


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and gov at work in privite sector too

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576317140858893466.html

Boeing and the Union Berlin Wall

Between 2000 and 2008, 4.8 million Americans moved from forced union states to right-to-work states?that's one person every minute of every day.


By ARTHUR B. LAFFER
AND STEPHEN MOORE


The Obama administration's National Labor Relations Board filed a complaint last month against Boeing to block production of the company's 787 Dreamliner at a new assembly plant in South Carolina?a "right to-work" state with a law against compulsory union membership. If the NLRB has its way, Dreamliner assembly will return to Washington, a union-shop state, along with more than 1,000 jobs.
The NLRB's action, which Boeing will challenge at a hearing next month, is a big deal. It's the first time a federal agency has intervened to tell an American company where it can and cannot operate a plant within the U.S. It lays the foundation of a regulatory wall with one express purpose: to prevent the direct competition of right-to-work states with union-shop states. Why, as South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley recently asked on these pages, should Washington have any more right to these jobs than South Carolina?
A recent New York Times editorial justified the NLRB decision by arguing that unions are suffering from "the flight of companies to 'Right-to-Work' states where workers cannot be required to join a union." That's for sure, and quite an admission. We've been observing that migration pattern for years, but liberals have denied it's actually happening?until now.
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The thing that I have a hard time comprehending--is we have folks that want to add yet the grand daddy of all (health care) to the gov fiasco's of insolvency/debt--then next day whine that privite corps are making too much profit.

Seriously :)
 

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[--then next day whine that privite corps are making too much profit.

Seriously :)




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yeh all the corp that pay no fawking taxes and you rah rah that idea.

you dont get the concept of politicians getting paid off under the table. The grift as you so like to call it when the goverment does it. You are clueless of Corporations that line the pockets of ppl in Congress every day so they dont have to pay their fair share.

But that perfectly ok in your world of war mongering.

Cut the defense dept. Bring out all foreign aid unless they want to pay us. Shut down 70 % of the bases in the world we pay for.
Tax the shit out of the rich and big corps.


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Just wait until the GOP takes control of the House


We will vote out them bad guys and put our ppl in and we will kick some asses to get things done.

what a fawking joke

notice hedge has disappeared lately.

He was a big advocate that things would change when this vote was won.

It didnt change chit.

Boehner spends his time smoozing with Pelosi.

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why dont the post office cut off Saturday mail now ?

Answer - because its controlled by the union and that aint happening.


Why dont the post office sell advertising to large corporations to put on their stamps and mail machines.

Coca Cola would pay millions to have a coke stamp to use on their mail and sell to the public.

no the post office cant do that. They got to put
goverment shit on the stamps.

idiots.

I have been using electronic bill paying now for quite a while. The post office dont even realized how much money that cost them .

Not having to buy stamps, not having to drive to get the stamps, not having to drive to mail them.

Get the fawking unions out of the post office or shut it down.

Maybe move the Post Office to South Carolina in a right to work state.

Let the postal workers build the Dreamliner in their spare time while they aint delivering mail.

its pathetic how the post office has gone down the tubes.
 

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the United States Postal Service is facing a $7 billion deficit this year and receiving a $4 billion bailout from Congress, the government agency is spending more than a million dollars each week to pay thousands of employees to sit in empty rooms and do nothing.

The Federal Times reports the Postal Service is paying out 45,000 hours of "standby time" every week -- the equivalent of having 1,125 full-time employees sitting idle, at a cost of more than $50 million a year. Postal union officials estimate that 15,000 employees have spent time this year holed up in so-called "resource rooms" where they read books, do word puzzles, or sleep -- and get paid for it.

80 percent of its cost is tied up in labor.

The Postal Service labor force is heavily unionized," he points out, "and the fact that they can't set aside these people or fire people, or reduce wages or time, or furlough [them] or anything, is all a function of the union contracts that they operate under."

American Postal Workers Union, with government protection, is extracting excess wages, benefits, and privileges that other people in the country do not get.

"Now in the private sector, businesses have to adapt. They have to change their model; they have to unfortunately get rid of workers sometimes and rebuild their business model and adapt to the times," he explains. "Well, the Post Office is hamstrung -- and I almost feel bad for the management. They know what they need to do, to some degree, but they can't do it because of collective bargaining and unionism."

DeHaven says what is "doubly insulting" is that idle Postal employees are earning a paycheck from hard-working citizens who are struggling through the current recession.

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everyone is aware of this.

why hasnt anything been done about it for 50 years ?

as usual follow the money to the answer
 

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The post office is not a for-profit organization.

It makes money through federal funding, as well as shipping and handeling charges and postage. (stamps)

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hmmmmmm
 

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No, the Post Office isn?t doing just fine. With the Congressionally mandated overpayments to CSRS pensions, and the Congressionally mandated ?pre-funding? of future employee healthcare, we?re being driven into the ground. That $8.5 Billion loss last year was almost completely attributable to these ?mandated? costs from the Government. The USPS has been paying ?stamp tax? to the Government for some time.

Also, like any Federal bureaucracy, there are many layers too many of managers and administrators, whose only job is to keep making work for other managers and administrators to justify their job.

If you?ve got people working 12 hour days, 6 days a week, then they?re pulling down Penalty Overtime premium, which is 2x their standard pay. And I?m sorry, but I haven?t yet met an employee whose worth double time?so there?s wasted money.

The contracts with the Postal Unions require all full-time employees in offices with more than 200 man-years of workforce, which doesn?t allow capturing downtime with flexible employees. They also require 90% full-time employees, when it would be much more cost effective to have a higher percentage of flexible employees.

The Postal Service has a great deal of problems which cause it to hemmorage money, and the most serious ones are mandated by Congress which have absolutely nothing to do with moving the mail?

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its truly mind boggling

the stupidity in this
 

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I am in the maintenance part of the PO and I see so much waste of money its laughable.
I see people trying to justify their job and not even worried how it effects the PO.
I personaly know of many instances where we spend $500 or $600 dollars 3 to 4 times a year to have a contractor work on a piece of equipment when he says he can put a new piece in for $600 and never have to come back.
But they refuse to purchase the new stufdf because it might effect their bonus.
I submitted an E idea that had the potential to save the PO $1,000.000.00 a MONTH and 4 years later I get an email saying ?sorry your idea was canceled because your manager no longer works for the PO? ya no kidding he retired years earlier because you took so dam long with it.
Sorry I care about my job but its obvious the PO dont care about saving any money their all just in it to justify their job thats it.

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when you listen to this stuff from ppl that work at the po it brings things into perspective.

Bonus to managers for not buying new equipment and repairing old stuff that breaks 3 or 4 times a year.

What company runs this way.

this guy is right

they dont care about saving money.

Does this remind you of anything ?

The military runs exactly the same way.

They dont give two chits about money that is spent to keep the defense going at full speed.

Building mcdonalds and burger kings at military bases so the young guys dont feel they are away from home.

Fawk that. They enlisted. They know they are away from home.
 

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The US Military has decided to eliminate fast food chain restaurants from military bases in Afghanistan, including Burger King, Pizza Hut, TGI Fridays, Orange Julius, and Dairy Queen. In Kandahar Airfield, the outlets are set out as part of a ?Boardwalk? for soldiers during off hours.

The reasoning is not due to health concerns of fast food among our soldiers. The US Military says that the restaurants take up valuable resources like water, power, flight, and convoy space and that cutting back on non-essentials is a key component of an efficient military operation.

Although the decision was not based on soldier nutrition, there could be both positive and negative health effects in the movement.

Among the negative, fast food such as Burger King can bring the ?comfort? foods of home to a very scary environment, possibly helping soldiers adapt better to their surroundings. A recent study in the January issue of the American Journal of Public Health, combat-deployed men and women were at increased risk for new-onset depression. A survey found that a new diagnosis of depression among men was 6% and for women was 16% of the 40,000 members who completed the survey
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comfort food from home to make them feel better.

what happened to krations

Notice they didnt say they would shut down the fast food in every military base.

Just Afghan

The military really aint into the cut costs program.

In the meantime seniors go without COLI and cuts in their medicare.

And DTBlackgumby prepares to collect his SS checks and suck deeply on the goverment tit he so despises.



fawk this post office and military spending.

It dont make us any safer.
 
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USPS needs to get real. It is antiquated. With email and auto-bill pay, the amount of mail being processed has dropped severely.

I mentioned this to friends a few years ago. Stop Wed and Sat mail service. We don't need to get junk mail and bills EVERY day of the week.

I also have read that there are people in the administration of the USPS who have recommended cost saving measures but they have always been blocked because it needs approval from CONGRESS.

This from my wife's friend who is a postal carrier. She says that they are hiring new carriers at her office (this has been occurring for a few years according to her) - the new hires can't hack it as a carrier and instead of releasing them, they move them into a management position or create one for them. I have no reason to doubt her on this - I'm taking her at her word and she has no reason to lie to me about it.

Anyway - the system as it is needs to be looked at -in it's current form, it is not viable.
 

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USPS needs to get real. It is antiquated. With email and auto-bill pay, the amount of mail being processed has dropped severely.

I mentioned this to friends a few years ago. Stop Wed and Sat mail service. We don't need to get junk mail and bills EVERY day of the week.

I also have read that there are people in the administration of the USPS who have recommended cost saving measures but they have always been blocked because it needs approval from CONGRESS.

This from my wife's friend who is a postal carrier. She says that they are hiring new carriers at her office (this has been occurring for a few years according to her) - the new hires can't hack it as a carrier and instead of releasing them, they move them into a management position or create one for them. I have no reason to doubt her on this - I'm taking her at her word and she has no reason to lie to me about it.

Anyway - the system as it is needs to be looked at -in it's current form, it is not viable.

It's a no brainer-we have competing privite companies running at a profit--

Answer simple.

Does make any diff which party adopts plan or which is in power--the gov/politicians can't and never will run anything remotely efficiently.

Too many payoffs--too many quota's--and they know they don't have to balance the books--
Just a promise-fail miserably- pass it to the next go deeper in debt-then repeat process and add a couple new programs to boot.
 

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Snail Mail:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

Who the fawk uses that anymore:0002

No different than anything else the government runs, just throw money at it and all will be fine:facepalm:
 

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Full post offices are more costly to operate than other means of serving customers. The average post office transaction cost 23 cents per dollar of revenue in 2009 while the average transaction at a contract postal unit cost just 13 cents. Post offices used to generate almost all postal retail revenue, but 29 percent is now generated online through usps.com and other alternative channels.

In 2009 post offices recorded 117 million fewer transactions than in 2008. Four out of five post offices are operating at a loss. However, the postal network?s overcapacity has drawn little corrective action from Congress. In fact, legislation introduced in the House with 102 cosponsors would apply the burdensome procedures for closing post offices to other postal outlets as well. Congress is actively working against the modernization of the U.S. postal system.

The amazing thing is that they have tons of extra capacity and still provide poor service. Just compare the process of mailing a package UPS vs. USPS. I have a UPS account, I can print my own labels, I get billed automatically, I get package tracking, and I can send the package from the drop box downstairs in my building.

It is almost impossible to do this with the USPS. To mail anything larger than 13 ounces, to buy postage without an expensive meter, to get a greatly inferior sort of tracking ? all require a grim trek to the post office.

My guess is that just like Pemex is not longer really about producing oil, the USPS mission is no longer primarily about delivering mail, its a welfare program.

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unique idea there

The post office is a entitlement program


why does DTBlackgumby not complain about this goverment tit sucking hole of debt ?


DTB would never complain about large goverment tit sucking mail employees.
 

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just do away with it, force people to use electronic mail, I could do away with my mailbox and it would be okay with me :shrug:
 

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IMO, it's a gross over-simplification to consider this nothing more than government inefficiency because it ignores the ongoing transition from the age of paper to the digital age.

Newspapers are in trouble. Magazines are in trouble. Department Store and mail-order catalogs are disappearing one by one. Most forms of paper mail are being replaced by electronic alternatives. Perhaps with the exception of the holidays, email, texting and social networking have replaced cards and letters.

Has the USPS been slow to recognize and adapt to this shift? Yes, they have but the USPS only began operating at a loss 3 years ago when the critical mass of the digital revolution combined with the spike in fuel prices. But I agree, the USPS has to re-invent itself if it is to survive and not go the way of the Sears catalog.
 

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It's a no brainer-we have competing privite companies running at a profit--

Answer simple.
Call UPS or Fedex and ask them to pick up a letter at your house and deliver it to mine for 44 cents.

Taxpayers subsidize the delivery of first class mail.

Business get taxpayer subsidized delivery of advertisements.

That could be eliminated, but then you'd be whining that it costs you 3 bucks to send a letter.

So, do you want cheap mail delivery, or do you want to pay the full cost?

Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
 

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Where do you come up with this B.S. Daily Kos
Do they have you believing this stuff yourself--or do you just run the grift.


and Royal Mail can make profit/as does Canada as done Australia and I assume most other--U.S. used to make profit.
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You'll have a hard time selling this con to your pack-let alone anyone else :)

However no surprise that you expect tax payor to subsidize your mail as well.

Is there anything you feel tax payors don't owe you?
 
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