THE PLAYERS Championship

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ODDS and ENDS:



(A) From last year's notes:

"Only four players have won more than once on the Stadium Course.

Tiger Woods credits the diversity to "the nature of the design."

"How Pete (Dye) designed it with the cutoff bunkers and the mounding that it just brings all of us together,? said Woods, who hasn?t earned a top-10 at The Players since his 2001 triumph.

?We're all hitting the balls to the same spots. A lot of times for the longer hitters, it's 3-wood or 2-iron or some kind of utility club off the tees where the shorter guys are hitting drivers, so we're all in the same spot. With that in mind, it becomes a second shot course and see who can hit their irons the best and put themselves in positions where they can make putts.?"



(B) One of several good articles out there on changes to Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass:
http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtour/index.ssf?/newsandtour/gw20070504shedlowski.html



(C) Of some interest in looking for the right pedigree:
http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r011/history/tournament_player_history.html



(D) Just for the heck of it - Sixth Annual PGA Tour Player Survey:
http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1617060,00.html

"13 of 17

Who is your least favorite playing partner?

Rory Sabbatini 25%
Ben Crane 8%
Garrett Willis 8%
Phil Mickelson 8%

Also receiving votes: Fulton Allem, Woody Austin, Jason Bohn, Fred Couples, Steve Elkington, Robert Gamez, Retief Goosen, Mark Hensby, J.B. Holmes, Lee Janzen, Jerry Kelly, Jeff Maggert, Kevin Na, Tom Pernice, Jim Rutledge, Vijay Singh

Who is your favorite playing partner?

Tiger Woods 6%
Kenny Perry 5%
Joey Sindelar 5%

Also receiving votes: Woody Austin, Paul Azinger, Cameron Beckman, Rich Beem, Chad Campbell, Daniel Chopra, Stewart Cink, Fred Couples, John Daly, Joe Durant, David Duval, Brad Faxon, Fred Funk, Lucas Glover, Paul Goydos, J.P. Hayes, Tim Herron, Charles Howell, Ryuji Imada, Fredrik Jacobsen, Brandt Jobe, Justin Leonard, Davis Love III, Hunter Mahan, Steve Marino, Geoff Ogilvy, Jose Maria Olazabal, Ryan Palmer, Rod Pampling, Jesper Parnevik, Nick Price, Ted Purdy, Adam Scott, Heath Slocum, Jeff Sluman, Chris Smith, Craig Stadler, Paul Stankowski, Kevin Sutherland, David Toms, Bubba Watson"



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I guess we posted at the same time( Stan you can delete my thread). Ive been reading through trying to get a feel for all the wd's..

I think I know why all withdrew and will definitely keep that in mind when making plays this week
 

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I already have a GREAT list to fade.. I think they ae all solid.. Ill give you a few for your pleasure.. Stuart A., dimarco and the others i will keep to myself to the lines wont move too much

Can someone explain to me the hype for adam scott?
http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/45/02/results/

I dont get it.. yea he has a nice swing, but how about some consistency :shrug:

My ratings for this week
Tiger
Vijay
Phil
Scott
Padraig
Ogilvy
Ames
Vaughn Taylor
Kim ( amazing ball striking stats )
 

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ODDS and ENDS:



(A) From last year's notes:

"Only four players have won more than once on the Stadium Course.

Tiger Woods credits the diversity to "the nature of the design."

"How Pete (Dye) designed it with the cutoff bunkers and the mounding that it just brings all of us together,? said Woods, who hasn?t earned a top-10 at The Players since his 2001 triumph.

?We're all hitting the balls to the same spots. A lot of times for the longer hitters, it's 3-wood or 2-iron or some kind of utility club off the tees where the shorter guys are hitting drivers, so we're all in the same spot. With that in mind, it becomes a second shot course and see who can hit their irons the best and put themselves in positions where they can make putts.?"



(B) One of several good articles out there on changes to Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass:
http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtour/index.ssf?/newsandtour/gw20070504shedlowski.html



(C) Of some interest in looking for the right pedigree:
http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r011/history/tournament_player_history.html



(D) Just for the heck of it - Sixth Annual PGA Tour Player Survey:
http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1617060,00.html

"13 of 17

Who is your least favorite playing partner?

Rory Sabbatini 25%
Ben Crane 8%
Garrett Willis 8%
Phil Mickelson 8%

Also receiving votes: Fulton Allem, Woody Austin, Jason Bohn, Fred Couples, Steve Elkington, Robert Gamez, Retief Goosen, Mark Hensby, J.B. Holmes, Lee Janzen, Jerry Kelly, Jeff Maggert, Kevin Na, Tom Pernice, Jim Rutledge, Vijay Singh

Who is your favorite playing partner?

Tiger Woods 6%
Kenny Perry 5%
Joey Sindelar 5%

Also receiving votes: Woody Austin, Paul Azinger, Cameron Beckman, Rich Beem, Chad Campbell, Daniel Chopra, Stewart Cink, Fred Couples, John Daly, Joe Durant, David Duval, Brad Faxon, Fred Funk, Lucas Glover, Paul Goydos, J.P. Hayes, Tim Herron, Charles Howell, Ryuji Imada, Fredrik Jacobsen, Brandt Jobe, Justin Leonard, Davis Love III, Hunter Mahan, Steve Marino, Geoff Ogilvy, Jose Maria Olazabal, Ryan Palmer, Rod Pampling, Jesper Parnevik, Nick Price, Ted Purdy, Adam Scott, Heath Slocum, Jeff Sluman, Chris Smith, Craig Stadler, Paul Stankowski, Kevin Sutherland, David Toms, Bubba Watson"



GL

Great stuff man! Thanks!
 

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Outright plays (total stake per play: 1pt)

Adam Scott to win 33/1 e.w. @ Victor Chandler, BetFred and BetDirect
There may have been substantial renovations to the course last year and a change of month for this event, but course experience is always very important around Pete Dye designs so that points to Scott being decent value at this price. He won in 2004, finished 17th in 2003 and 8th in 2005 and while it may look like a poor performance last year, he had been 2nd at the cut - he completely lost his game over the first eleven holes of the third round to be eleven-over-par for the round. Barring such a spectacular collapse, his form at Sawgrass is largely unsurpassed and with a victory on this Tour only a month ago, he should put himself in contention for another win this week.

Padraig Harrington to win 40/1 e.w. available generally
Winds gusting up to 25mph and temperatures in the low 50s should be perfect conditions for Pod, but these were the conditions in the final round of 2003 when he had been leading the event after each of the first three rounds. By that marker, a final round 72 was impressive, but he could nothing to fend off Davis Love who shot 64 in such difficult conditions. So he should have won in 2003, but it is notable that he also finished 2nd the following year to Adam Scott. And given that he was the first round leader last week and had finished 7th in the Masters in his previous outing, he is another who should be in the mix at the weekend.

Anthony Kim to win 100/1 e.w. @ Ladbrokes and Coral
Yes, this is the Players Championship which some call the 'fifth major', but three of the last five winners have been Craig Perks, Fred Funk and Stephen Ames. If they can win at Sawgrass, then so can Kim. As with virtually every week on Tour, he has no previous course form, but it hasn't stopped him recording three top-5 finishes in his last five Tour events. He ranks in the top-5 in (Actual) Scoring Average and All-Around Ranking on Tour and is the best young American prospect around. I'll continue to back him at this price in non-Majors.

Camilo Villegas to win 150/1 e.w. @ BetInternet and Coral
Not the most consistent of players, but certainly one who is capable of challenging for this title ... just as he did last year when finishing 3rd. And he has made a habit of finishing in the top-3 in Florida where he receives such strong local support: his 2nd place finish in the Honda Classic in March (he lost in a four-man playoff) was his third since last year. He may not have recorded a top-10 finish since that event, but in his last two starts he has finished 29th around a Harbour Town course that does not really suit his game and was in the top-10 after the opening round last week. He may very well shoot a couple of rounds in the 80s as he did in the Masters, but if he does get his game on track, he could make these odds look extremely large.
 

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Thanks LIA--enjoyed it also---

Who is the most overrated pro?

Michelle Wie 25%
Luke Donald 5%
Sergio Garcia 5%

Also receiving votes: Paul Casey, John Daly, Chris DiMarco, Natalie Gulbis, Phil Mickelson, Jesper Parnevik, Camilo Villegas, Tiger Woods
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Had my two (female/male) Wie and Garcia
 

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(D) Just for the heck of it - Sixth Annual PGA Tour Player Survey:
http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1617060,00.html

"13 of 17

Who is your least favorite playing partner?

Rory Sabbatini 25%
Ben Crane 8%
Garrett Willis 8%
Phil Mickelson 8%

Also receiving votes: Fulton Allem, Woody Austin, Jason Bohn, Fred Couples, Steve Elkington, Robert Gamez, Retief Goosen, Mark Hensby, J.B. Holmes, Lee Janzen, Jerry Kelly, Jeff Maggert, Kevin Na, Tom Pernice, Jim Rutledge, Vijay Singh



GL

Sabbatini and Allem are repeat offenders on this list (or similarly worded lists). Both South Africans. Coincidence? I think not.

Thanks LIA. Good stuff.
 

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Retief Goosen -115 over Jim Furyk 5 unit play :scared
Ken Duke -105 over Scott Verplank 3 unit play
Briny Baird -145 over Jeff Quinney 3 unit play
Nathan Green -135 over Darren Clarke 2.7 unit play ( Gonna try it again :shrug: )
Bo Van Pelt +103 over David Toms 2 unit play ( one bad round last week.. besides that hes been hittin it well)
Rod Pampling -115 over Appelby
2.3 unit play
Anthony Kim top 10 +550 .5 unit play

Thats all No more plays.. :scared :scared
 
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Few outrights just for the hell of it..
Aaron Oberholser 66/1
Ian Poulter 100/1
Jason Bohn 200/1
Padraig 40/1
John Rollins 100/1
Elkington 225/1
Kim 80 /1

Each way 5 1/4
 

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Outrights:

Chris Dimarco 200/1

Tim Clark 150/1

David Toms 115/1

Steve Stricker 75/1

Joe Durant 250/1

WSEX Live betting:

Buying Reteif Goosen at $4 (24-1) 20 shares

Geoff Ogilvy, Jerry Kelly, and Oberholser all at $2 (49-1) 10 shares a piece.
 

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Andrade 1-10 40/1 B365 999/1 win Betfair
Browne 1-10 40/1 B365 909/1 win Betfair
Curtis 1-10 22/1 B365 499/1 win Betfair
Gay 1-10 30/1 SportsTAB 619/1 win Betfair
Goydos 1-10 22/1 B365 600/1 win Betfair
Leaney 1-10 20/1 SportsTAB 440 win Betfair
Micheel 1-5 49/1 Unibet 400 win Betfair
Watson 1-10 18/1 B365 350 win Betfair
 

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First Round 3 ball Matchup (Ties are broken by most birdies)
Vijay Singh -125 over Slocum/ Browne UPGRADED to a 5 unit play
:walk: it out:scared
 
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J FURYK wins Match pick @+28.00
A SCOTT wins Match pick @+25.00
T WOODS wins Match pick @+2.50

J FURYK OV/L DONALD pick @-1.25
F FUNK OV/T LEHMAN pick @-1.30
A KIM OV/K DUKE pick @-1.35
JM OLAZABAL OV/N O HERN pick @-1.15

Hopefully there will be Plays availible for other Rounds.

Good Luck and Thanks for Posting your Plays
 
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VIJAY SINGH -.5 VIJAY SINGH VS HEATH SLOCUM (RD 1 ONLY - PLAYERS CHAMP.)
RETIEF GOOSEN -.5 RETIEF GOOSEN VS AARON BADDELEY (RD 1 ONLY - PLAYERS CHAMP.)


Parlay pays 1.75/1
 

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With heavy rain, TPC Sawgrass passes critical drainage test



PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. -- Persistent rains for much of the day Wednesday might be helping May flowers, but they've also helped to prove a point.
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Bubba Watson was out early in the rain at TPC Sawgrass on Wednesday. A half-inch of rain fell on the course. (WireImage)

The PGA TOUR spent $8 million renovating the PLAYERS Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass so that it could ensure a firm, fast layout for its most prestigious event, THE PLAYERS Championship.

The fairways were stripped of organic material underneath that was preventing proper drainage and a state-of-the-art drainage system -- including an eight-inch layer of sand -- were installed.

In addition, the greens were redone to USGA specifications after a sub-air system was put in.

That money was well-spent. On Wednesday, the course received a half-inch of rain, putting the new drainage system to the test, even though May is historically the driest month in northeast Florida.

"It's unfortunate," said Fred Funk, a local resident and the 2005 PLAYERS champion. "The irony of the whole thing, coming to May ... and now we have March weather. But it will be a great test for the golf course and with all the work that they did to see if it really works."

"The rain hasn't affected the playability of the golf course at all," course superintendent Fred Klauk said. "In fact, given our forecast, I'm trying to retain the moisture that we've had so that the greens do not get too firm. The half-inch of rain we had Sunday didn't really change the firmness of the course. Water is just passing right through."

All of which means that when the 34th PLAYERS begins Thursday at 7:20 a.m. ET, the Pete Dye-designed TPC Sawgrass should present a challenge befitting a major tournament.

Drives will have to be shaped into firm fairways or they will release into the Bermuda rough. Greens covered in a new strain of Bermuda grass -- called "miniverde" -- will be firm and running at speeds of about 11 on the Stimpmeter. That reading is only slightly less than an average U.S. Open or Masters Tournament.

Said 18-time major winner Jack Nicklaus, the only three-time PLAYERS champion: "I think a fast golf course produces a better champion, and you weren't getting that."

As for the rest of the setup, players have readily noted how drastically the nature of the course has been altered.

"It just looks very different," Tiger Woods said. "It plays totally different."
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Patrons with umbrellas dot the 18th hole on Wednesday morning.

The two most notable tweaks are on the periphery of the playing targets, and they will force myriad strategic challenges and shotmaking decisions. Instead of Rye grass rough of 4-5 inches, players who miss fairways have to contend with 2-3 inches of Bermuda.

Around the greens, instead of heavy Rye grass, there are shaved chipping areas that will present players with more options for recovery.

The Bermuda grass in the rough was made possible by the tournament's switch in dates. It's likely to be a double-edged sword for the contestants -- as it should be.

U.S. Open champion Geoff Ogilvy sounded like Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra with his description of the changes.

"It's easier in a lot of respects. But what makes it easier also makes it harder," Oglivy said. "The rough is easier because you can probably go for the greens most of the time. But it's harder because it's tougher to control the shots."

"It's pretty much a guaranteed flier out of the Bermuda rough, so it's not easy to pick a good club," said 2004 winner Adam Scott. "Especially if it's windy, there are so many factors. Out of the rye, you pretty much know what it's going to do. You just lose all control of the golf ball out of the Bermuda rough."

"It gives you a chance; it gives you options," Ernie Els said. "I'm sure 90 percent of the guys will try to hit the miracle shot, and I think that makes it even more exciting. But it could lead to higher numbers."
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Fred Funk (WireImage)

More options also exist around the greens, something Funk said hasn't much been discussed. The roll-offs are a philosophical change from years past when all a player could do was hack out of the gunch and hope to make a putt to save par.

A downside for players is that the runoffs -- some of them extensive -- will enable poorly struck shots to run farther away from the small putting surfaces.

The result of it will be more intrigue for fans to observe and more decisions for players to make.

"It gives you a lot of options around the greens to bump it into the hill, putt it, flop it up, whatever you want to do," Funk said. "It forces a lot of creativity by the players and imagination on how they're going to handle their chipping around the greens. You're going to see a lot of different varieties of shots."

Over the years there have been a variety of different players who have won THE PLAYERS. But there's usually been just one way to come out on top.

"The players who are playing best are going to be at the top," Scott said. "There's going to be no faking you way up to the top of this leaderboard."
 

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OPENERS:

(A) I meant what I said last week . . .
During the grueling Florida swing through Honda - PODS - Palmer, I noted the grind of those courses had slammed the brakes on the West Coast trend of players regulary getting right back in the mix in events one after the other, and was instead producing the classic strain of mental fatique that comes from being in contention and take's a real toll before spitting out poor candidates for the following week, while disappointing perfomances can be just the recipe for sharp form to prove it on the rebound. I'll be looking for lots of just that from both ends of the Wachovia field as they move on to The Players.
I can't see how Steve Stricker or Arron Oberholser, after mixing it up with Tiger at Quail Hollow, or Ken Duke or Anthony Kim at the end of quite a run (or Rory Sabbatini for different reasons all together, but similar reasons on top thereof), now have their tanks right where they need to be to sustain through this potentially defining week of a career, first to Saturday night, and then first across the finish line after 72 holes on Sunday. On the other hand, the players I had in mind for this week cooperated pretty nicely, and I don't see it as a bad thing or sign of trouble for Luke Donald or Ian Poulter to have missed the cut for their lead in, or for Padraig Harrington to have fallen away and been blitzed 64-79 while paired with the charming Mr. Sabbatini, before rebounding by equaling the best score of the day on Sunday . . . And the Big 3 are 3 special cases of all-time greatness, but I don't think they gained either, and I'll be surprised to see any improvement in their combined finishing positions from last week (1 + 3 + 7 = 11), and will guess it reads more like 4 + 8 + 14 = 26 after this week; whereas if the higher sum for their finishes had played out last week, I'd expect them to all be right close to improving on their finishes this week at a venue that has rarely suited them.

(B) If I had backed Zach Johnson from the start at Augusta, it would be fairly difficult not to have faith that God would keep keep his balls out of the water and rolling in the hole again this week. In a similar vein, I did back Stephen Ames with a big ante-post wager two weeks before last year's championship, and it's hard not give him another chance to carry my cash. But except for a saver on both players, I will be looking elsewhere this time. "When it's your time . . . ", is one of the great adages in all of sport, and the stars are aligned far differently for both Johnson and Ames this week (which is not to say they won't forge the next chapter in their destinies only when their stars are similarly aligned again, but rather that IMO this configuration is not highly conducive to a shocking result that slams the door in the face of any other compelling storylines of "The Players" that are about to emerge and not looking to die a quiet death at the hands of the greatness that is Z. Johnson or S. Ames)

(C) The ideal of a sport's analyst is to explain the action and anticipate the action (and hopefully with a pleasing style). For my money, Mark Rolfing with NBC consistently does the best job while sitting in on a round table discussion on the eve of a championship, or on Friday night after the cut, or on a Saturday night after moving day has set the table. Good Lord, I'm not suggesting he's a money machine or that I never disagree with him, but when he speaks in those settings, I listen closely to what he has to say . . . Anyway, I suspect he's been in close communication with the Tour's meteorologists on the site, and he thinks the early players on Thursday might gain a huge advantage when some really nasty weather hits about 1:00 p.m. on Thursday (of course if it's a tropical storm, the next question is will they even continue play . . .). In addition, whether you're talking about the shotmaking and ball striking geniuses or the short game wizards, he figures the course will be playing so tough that everyone is going to be facing a lot of 6 footers to keep their momentum going, once again IMO bringing into focus why having just gone through all that was demanded last week is not the preferred recipe as a lead in to this week.



Outrights:

Padraig Harrington(40/1) e.w.
- - This old chestnut from 2003 ias a nice place to start: http://www.golfdigest.com/majors/usopen/index.ssf?/majors/usopen/gd200306harrington.html
- - His father's battle with cancer in 2005 was a step back but forged a big hunk of the current Player: http://www.pga.com/openchampionship/2005/news_071105_harrington.html
- - If tempted to look toward short game specialists this week: http://www.sportinglife.com/golf/ne...ME=golf/07/05/08/GOLF_Sawgrass_Nightlead.html
- - So back to last week (before I knew of any skin cancer treatments during a rust inducing layoff), and my take was, "Heading into the Masters, I thought the arc of (Padraig's) career had him really primed and poised for "his time" as the European force in the biggest events, and coming out of Augusta I think that's the opportunity of his spring and summer."

Ian Poulter(100/1) e.w.
- - (1) The guy can putt, and yet IMO opinion he's struggled to see his share drop this year. But I've really liked the way he's played on through the next shot, the next day and the next event, without showing some of the frustration born of cockiness that marked earlier and recent stages of his career. These guys are all good, and no one among your peers really wants to hear about it - you keep working hard, you suffer silently and use your frustration as motivation, and know your time will come. (2) Some nice history here at Sawgrass involving the marking of his ball on #4 that flew into the pond and was retrieved by his personal trainer to avoid a penalty for an illegal substitution for a ball in play; and while in good shape last year, I remember well the sight (Saturday on #12?) of our protagonist getting hung up in a really juicy patch of rough and slashing his club back and forth through the mess in an explosion of total disgust while on his way to a big number (I know he hasn't forgotten the spot or the moment). (3) His bud Justin Rose has been overdue to explode at any time, from Hartford to Tucson, while I think Poulter has been tracking to make his first mark in the States when the stage is pretty large.

Luke Donald(33/1) e.w.
- - I look at The Players Championship, I see Luke Donald as a perfect fit. I look at Luke Donald, I see The Players Championship as a perfect fit. Well over his stag party hangover, and real recently the catbird seat witness to Scott Verplank's "time" of achieving a boyhood dream, I like this spot a lot.

Boo Weekley(125/1) e.w.
- - My huckleberry could have won twice this season, but once is enough, as he heads across the state from Milton, Florida to storybook Sawgrass and joins up with the Masters champ who played along side while Boo was seizing quite a moment in time of his own at Hilton Head.

Camilo Villegas(125/1) e.w.
- - Go Gators!


I could have stopped right there, but I kept going . . .

David Toms(100/1) e.w.
- - My preference in making this play is definitely for the bad weather to be short lived. Anyway, is this a very common price for Toms in Florida? . . . Toms has made the cut in all nine events he?s entered this season with four top-10 finishes, and is coming off a ninth-place effort at The Masters . . . After the Masters: ?My game feels pretty good right now,? (Toms) said. ?Obviously, I haven?t contended the way I?d like to so far this year. But overall, I?ve been very consistent with some decent checks along the way." . . .?At this stage of the year, I?d like to at least have a really good shot at winning sometime soon." . . . Toms withdrew from Wachovia prior to the statrt for personal reasons (anyone know why?) . . . His stats for the season show 41st in GIR and 10th in scrambling; I'll be keeping an eye on how he fares on the Par 5's . . . Pretty classy 100/1 outsider.

Vaughn Taylor(80/1) e.w.
- - Step aside Zach and this time let your buddy show the world how it's done, especially from inside 10 feet.

John Rollins(100/1) e.w.
- - I think of Rollins as suited to courses with a premium on shotmaking, which serves as the premise; an empty feeling on fullfilling the potential he's shown this season serves as the catalyst (either that, or the drugs that have fried my brain cells).



Matchups:

Weekley(-110) over Bryant (Tournament)
Green(-150) over Clarke (Tournament)
Villegas(+102) over Appleby (Tournament)



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