the REAL crook behind the Enron debacle

Eddie Haskell

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Freezer:

I'm so glad you have such an insight into the real workings behind Enron. Possibly, could you kindly regale us with your keen insights into the basis for your conclusions?

As a professed "American" who knows whats best for everyone, I am puzzled by your position that an individual is guilty of a crime before proven innocent. Innocent until proven guilty? Kinda conflicts with your position. But, then again you have special awareness.

Seriously, you are special. Its funny how this country has evolved into justice by the media and spindoctors. Freeze stop wasting everyones time finding articles that support your position then professing them as undeniable fact. Hell, your starting to sound like Dogs that Bark.

By the way, I am shocked that you didn't identify Clinton as the real criminal behind Enron. But then again, lets wait till your next post.

Neanderthal.

Ed

P.S. How bout dem Spiders!!!
 

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Eddie Haskell said:
P.S. How bout dem Spiders!!!

I think the Jayhawks are having a tough time adjusting to Self's half-court offense. Richmond didn't really look like gamebreakers, but man, Kansas' boys sure seem to struggle with not being able to run. I don't know if Bill is the right guy for them; they still have too much Roy with them. Then again, look at how Roy's boys did tonight. Bottom line is that they still have too much talent to be losing at home to the Spiders.

(nothing like injecting a little hoops into the gen. disc. forum)
 

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Hey Eddie--long time no see. Has Sharpton thrown in the towell an let you off campaign agenda.

Will give you some good news for prospective clients in 2004
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...122/ts_usatoday/obesitycosttaxpayers39bin2003

The bad news for the tax payor is the $175 per tax payor is a drop in the bucket compared to--
----"The cost of lawsuits in the U.S. amounts to a "lawsuit tax" of $1,200 for every man, woman and child in America. This is the cost added to the price of goods and services that you pay for as a result of litigation, settlements and liability insurance"

Mind boggling isn't it:(
 

Eddie Haskell

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The only thing mind boggling insurance agent Dogs, is your relentless (and I might add, boring) ability to spin the truth. As a believer in a diety, don't you have a moral problem with your continuous rants which profess to be the truth but, which in reality distract from the truth? I guess not. You have quite an agenda.

All together now, can we say rationalization and selective sound bites. Yawn.

Ed
 

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I hope the real crook the CEO does not get of completely. He and his friend Cheney have no been seen out to lunch latley. I see a couple more Halburton boys just got nailed for a few million each kick backs from Kuwait officials.
 

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my Jayhawks deserve a one way ticket to the NIT this year....losing to Nevada and Richmond is inexcusable....

let me be the first to say: "FIRE BILL SELF!!!"

this guy is the crook....Ken Lay is not the crook....he is responsible yes, but not the crook....

Dr. Freeze has a little inside information....that article did nothing but identify the man.....

this guy was the mastermind behind it all costing thousands of livelihoods, 10's of thousands bank accounts, and played a key part in consumer confidence and ultimately are economy...

Send his ass to prison and let him rot

ps: Eddie if you listen to defense lawyers long enough, you will come to the conclusion that no one has ever committed a crime in this country.....now who are these liwyers i mean liers and how do they continue to be able to work?
 

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While I admit that it's not "inside information," I can't think of one person who held a management position at that Company that's not guilty (in the layman's sense, Eddie, not whether it could be proven in a "court of law")

Even the whistleblower who wrote the memo. It's not as if she wrote the memo to the SEC. She wrote it to Lay and copied AA on it, looking to start some discussions on how they could prolong the fraud or sweep it under the rug. As a last resort, she wanted to come clean. She's gotta be a favorite at the Enron Alumni parties.

Lots of people should be spending some time in jail. Lay's as guilty as anyone and Cheney deserves a trip to the pen as well.
 

Eddie Haskell

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Cheney in jail, Bobby.

As many of you may have surmised, I am against capital punishment. However, in Cheney's case, I think I would gladly flip the switch....... several times.

Ed
 

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Freeze- you taking some time away from the games? Just curious as I haven't seen any Freeze plays since last weekend....
 

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Edward: A legal question your honor.
When does staue of limitation run our for corporate crime?

The reason I ask is with all corporate procescutions coming down in Bush administration that were allowed to run rampant in Clintons I am trying to figure the Clintons net worth if Hiliarys gets in 2008. Seems that was a big ticket item in their sceme of pardons. Heres a few--don't know what Cheney is quity of but if quilty on everything the left ever accused he still look like a choir boy compared to your hero-- Spin that :)

---look over these Slick pardoned and tell me why we want to prosecute anyone involved in corporate crime----


ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud

BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery

FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return

LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations

MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return

WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission


but then again--birds of a feather ;)

oh one more question---Why is Edwards camp so persistant on referring to him as a "trial lawyer" instead of a Personal Injury lawyer? I find that quite amusing:D
 
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Good question, Dogs. Don't know what you mean by corporate crimes. Theres' fraud based claims and crimes, RICO claims, theft claims and crimes etc. Each cause will have both federal and state SOL's. You question needs to be more specific.

With regard to your question as to why John Edwards camp refers to him as a trial lawyer as opposed to a personal injury lawyer the answer is obvious. The negative connotation that goes along with the term "personal injury lawyer" in the public perception is, what I would guess to be the main reason.

I have the same question with regard to the Bush camp calling W "Mr. President" and not "murderer". Wonder why they don't do that. Perplexing issues. Does a Kerry/Edwards ticket give you and your fellow Hitler youth a cause for concern. Could be a winner. Then again, my motto............"Anybody but Bush". Lets put an end to felons in the white house.

By the way, when was the last time the murderer did blow? Was if after he found Jesus? Or was it before Cheney's DUI? I'm pretty sure it was before he unilaterally (no wait, Portugal was on board) launched a pre-emptive military invasion of another soverign country based upon a perceived threat. You know the older I get the more difficult time I have placing these historical events in proper order.

Another by the way, has anyone seen any numbers on Iraqi dead caused by the murderer? That left wing media has been kinda silent on that issue. I'd be real curious too know how many Iraqi civilian were killed and injured (as well as Iraqi military) when our "bombs bursting in air" made such wonderful and colorful TV watching last March over Baghdad? Kinda brought tears to your eyes didnt it Dogs. Made ya real proud to be an American under the leadership of John Wayne.

We get the American numbers daily, but how bout the Iraqi numbers from the invasion? Too difficult to determine, maybe, but I never heard an estimate. You know I would also like to see some pictures of the "collateral damage" caused by the "rockets red glare". Just to remind me that the invasion was not as sterile as the TV pictures made it seem.

It is amazing how stupid the American public is, led by morons like Dogs. 40 years ago American soldiers were killed in a war about oil but portrayed as an effort to stop the spread of communism. Now we have another war (sic. invasion) about oil which is portrayed as an effore to destroy magical and mystical weapons of mass destruction.

You know us personal injury and trial lawyers when presenting a case to a jury are required to prove the elements of our theories of liability. Funny how the American people do not require such proof from their government. Because some cowboy-puppet is told what to do and say by his Dr. Strangelove type corportate buddies the majority of the American people accept this lunatics lies. Amazing the gullibility of the average Joe (and of course, Jane).

Finally, one last by the way, when the "rockets red glare" and the "bombs bursting in air" gave proof through the night that our flag was still there................. but, wait, thats wasn't our flag, Doggie boy, that was an Iraqi flag flying over Baghdad. Closing thought, unilateral invasion of another sovereign based upon a perceived threat. And this murderer of American and Iraqi people, thats right, people wants to get re-elected.

If this country hasnt already lost its moral base, this ignorant puppet should be running from the electric chair and not for re-election.

Ed
 
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I think Kerry/Edwards would be best ticket for chance of winning and if looking at the worser of evils I would side with that ticket.
Believe me I do not take any election for granite--and you will have one thing in your favor that is unavoidable---a significant drop in market just prior to elections with those bailing in view of the possibility of Bush loss. If he loses you will see a free fall not seen since Oct 83.--and you can make book on that.

In reply to your quote
"Then again, my motto............"Anybody but Bush". Lets put an end to felons in the white house."

I thought we got rid of him when his term expired and he was disbarred????----

A more factual assessment would be-- Lets put the Clintons back in the white house and let more felons out of jail. ;)

On the election--I think something major will have to occur for Bush to lose.--unless you can find way to get your demographic majority to the polls. Closing bars and liquor stores was somewhat productive--maybe welfare checks-food stamps and lottery tickets would entice a few more.---don't fret Eddie in years to come your boys will be shoe ins in every election. It is inevitable---
 

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i agree....this is the last age of any semblance to conservatism....

soon lawlessness, 75% tax brackets, and communism will ensue

the day is nigh....nothing we can really do about it

type in 1963 and Communist goals in a search engine and maybe this will clearly show what direction our country is headed....

it is nothing short of shocking really
 
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