Thurs. Big 12 Cake Walk.......

[kevinmac_99]

MIZZOU ML
OKLAHOMA -3

I've said this all year that the BIG 12 Conference is one of the toughest to play in no matter what team you are......this being said I also believe that OU has the team to make it to the Championship game......I would have to say that about 75% of all BIG 12 games are usually tough games for both opponents(sp?) regardless of them being home or road games which makes these tourney games a little easier for these teams due to the rigorous(sp?) BIG 12 schedule.......

GLA!!!!

Layin BIG wood on these 2 games tonight.....

KMAC

 

[THUNDER]

are you saying that the pac-10 is not tough on the road to play.i believe they pretty comparable. i do think this sampson thing may give oky an edge. but arizona matches up well and olsen is awesome at preparing his teams for this type of seetting. gl on your pick

 

[Valuist]

Like it or not, the SEC's bottom teams are much stronger than either the Pac 10 or Big 12. Both of those conferences are stronger at the top but you haven't seen Wash St, Oregon St, Iowa St or Nebraska win any post-season games, which South Carolina, Vanderbilt and LSU have done. You have to judge top to bottom, not just the top 4-5 teams.

That said, I agree w/you on Okie and Mizzou

 

[dr. freeze]

SEC's bottom teams are better????

lol.......wow!!!! great going SEC!!!!

you have great bottom feeders!!!!

NIT tournament doesn't mean jack.....half the teams don't even care......big 12 bottom feeders didn't get into the tourney because they were getting their asses kicked all year long by the top teams......just like the Big 12 top teams kicked the SEC top teams ass......same goes with Pac10.......the mediocrity in the SEC which was shown clearly to us, inability of teams to play well away from their home, and high frequency of SEC teams just showing up and laying an egg enabled these SEC bottom feeders to get some wins!!!

Maybe you all should get some coaches in your conference that don't kiss up to agents (BD), do not think that they are the authority in racial issues (NR), and don't get their ass run out of big time schools (JH) when they can't coach good talent anyway. Then maybe your conference will get somewhere.

 

[Valuist]

Dr. Freeze, they are not ** MY** conference. I'm in Big Ten country, which WAS the top conference the past few years before this season. I have to laugh when I see how biased some people are about their conferences. There's a whole big world out there outside the Red River valley.

 

[Bob Stoops]

The issue with Sampson's father will be a help to this team. They are a very emotional tight knit group that will rally around this and use it a motivation.

The other thing about this OU team that makes it different from other Sampson teams is the ability to get scoring out of 4 to 5 different players. In addition, whe this team gets ahead, Sampson allows them to keep playing their game when in the past he would try to slow things down and milk the clock.

As good of defense as OU plays, a 10 pt. lead is almost golden with this bunch.

All that said, this will be a great game and OU's ability to hit free throws will hopefully win this for them.

 

[kevinmac_99]

Valuist........

Valuist........

You've got to be kidding me????.......How is what FREEZE said biased? Please......it's just a fact!!!! Deal with it like the BIG 12 had to deal with for all those years that your BIG 10 was runnin things........Everybody knew then what conference was the strongest....Now you don't wanna give it up.....lol!!!! I understand man but in all seriousness how can you not see this picture? I mean dayum, every game for the so called "bottom feeders" no matter home or on the road is not going to be easy period in the BIG 12........I dont think you can say that about the SEC, BIG 10 or PAC 10........Just my .02....

KMAC

 

[gecko]

Well, let's see, in the Big 12 you have a coach who has the reputation of "not winning the big one" (RW), one which was ran out of one of the top 3 legendary programs (ES), and another fired for improper and unprofessional behavior, not to mention grabbing kids by their throats (BK).


And if you wanna compare apples to apples, in the last 10 yrs:

# of final four appearances -
SEC - 9
Big 12 - 2

# of nat'l championships won -
SEC - 3
Big 12 - 0

Well, I will give the Big 12 this. They DO have ONE NIT champion in the past 10 yrs (Nebraska), while the SEC has none. Oh, but then, I suppose the NIT tourney "doesn't mean jack"!

 

[Valuist]

Gecko-- the SEC will get its NIT champion this year (South Caro)

Kevinmac--the Big 12 is very strong at the top but the conference is very top-heavy. I decided to compare the bottom 5 teams in the SEC and Big 12:

Massey ratings:
SEC: South Carolina 44th, LSU 66th, Arkansas 75th, Vanderbilt 78th, Auburn 114th

Big 12: Colorado 106th, Nebraska 130th, Kansas St 133th, Baylor 170th and Iowa St 177th

Don't care for Massey? How bout Feists' power ratings. The higher the #, the better:

SEC: South Carolina 70.5, LSU 67.5, Arkansas 65.5 Vanderbilt 63 and Auburn 62

Big 12: Nebraska 61, Kansas St 60, Baylor 59.5, Colorado 59.5, Iowa St 59.

These numbers aren't even close.

 

[Stewy]

Bring up the past if you want but in the future

Bring up the past if you want but in the future

The Big 12 recruiting is gonna destroy the SEC, it's already becoming very evident which coaches are recruiting in this country.

 

[gecko]

You guys crack me up, comparing "bottom feeders". But while we're at it, the Sagarin ratings show that even the MIGHTY Mountain West has "bottom feeders" similar to the Big 12.


BIG 12 bottom 6:

Colorado = 77.74
Nebraska = 75.74
Kansas St. = 75.47
Baylor = 75.46
Iowa St. = 74.05
Texas A&M = 70.68


MWC bottom 2 (or those NOT rated higher than Colorado):

Colorado St. = 74.58
Air Force = 72.37


So 1/4 of the Mountain West teams have comparable or lower ratings than HALF of the Big 12!!! LOL :nono:

 

[Evil Genius]

In all this talk about the best conferences, aren't you all forgetting about something. Like the......


<marquee><i><font size=24 color=blue><b>ACC</b></font></i></marquee>


I mean come on, the 5th or 6th place team in the ACC could be top 3 in most conferences every year. For 10 years every team was guaranteed at least 4 losses because of having to play either a combination of Duke/Unc or Duke/Maryland twice each year.

Not to mention at least 40% (guess) of the teams in the Final Four over the last decade+ have been ACC teams.

 

[gecko]

Re: Bring up the past if you want but in the future

Re: Bring up the past if you want but in the future

The Big 12 recruiting is gonna destroy the SEC...it's already becoming very evident which coaches are recruiting in this country.

Really? If I had a crystal ball I guess I can make a similar claim, but I don't. And I'm no fan of either conference.

I may be wrong, but I think ALL coaches in this country are recruiting. They have to, don't they?

 

[gecko]

I hear you, Evil Genius. In my book, the ACC has RULED college basketball over last two decades. Now, to continue that "dominance" the ACC has to get its house in order. UNC's dropped a lot, while FSU, GTech and Clemson better get their act together.

Let's not follow the example of the Big Least. And this is coming from a longtime east coast resident and Big East/ACC fan, so believe me.

 

[Evil Genius]

Good point Gecko, the lower half of the ACC has fallen off over the last few years. However, the top three is still, and will probably always be, the best in the country. Duke will always be strong, Maryland is playing its best ball ever, and we all know UNC will be back.

I agree with you the lower half needs to improve. Wake has fallen off and GT isn't the same without Cremins. Hopefully FSU will improve with new coach.

Sadly however, Clemson will always suck. But as bad as Clemson is, if you put them in the Big Least or the SEC, I believe they could compete more than they do in the ACC.


But please, and I am begging you, don't ever compare the ACC to the Big East again. The Big East is the most overrated pile of steaming doo-doo around.

<img src=http://www.elvis-presley.org.uk/bogfun/poop.jpg><Font size=+1 color=blue><b>The All Big East Team Photo</b></font>

 

[kevinmac_99]

Who The Fuhk said anything about the PAST DECADE(10YEARS)???????????????..........

DID I??????

NOPE?????

So dont come in here WACKIN my thread because you dumb fuhks can't INTERPRET what you fuhking READ....

Get a clue........

Thunder......no I'm not saying that at all just making a point about the BIG 12 in general and yes OLSEN is a great coach in getting players up for these type of games......

Gecko....you dont need a crystal ball it's pretty obvious...catch up with the time my man......As you and EVIL can SEEby what yall typed the ACC is falling apart so once again it's EVIDENT you don't need a crystal ball for that either.

KMAC

 

[gecko]

Evil one -

Oh man, can you remove that pic? I'm begging you. LOL

As for the Big East, I'm not compraring them to the ACC now. I'm talking about in the '80's when the Big East was arguably the best overall conference, from top to bottom, at that time. Gtown, Syracuse, St. John's, and even Nova, Seton Hall, UConn and Providence had their day in the sun. Just saying that I don't want to see the ACC drop off to the extent that the Big East has.

 

[gecko]

kmac -

Didn't mean to go WACKIN' in YOUR thread, as you put it.

Uh, but I believe that you and Valuist started bringing up the historical thing. Like you said, facts are facts. Do you have any "facts" to back up the future?.....eh....I thought so. LMK in 5 yrs how it turns out. lol

You're right though, the Big 12 as a whole has nowhere to go BUT up, and they're doing a swell job of it, too. I mean that. See how well a little sprinkle of SWAC turned out? And if you want to compare the Big 12 to the ACC, right now? fuggetaboutit. ACC's not "falling apart" anytime soon. A drop-off of overall strength, yes, but they're still among the top 3 conferences, hands down.

 

[kevinmac_99]

MR GECKO.......

MR GECKO.......

Please cut and paste for me where you see that I STARTED bringing up this bullchit historical issue.......Do this for me now!!! That's what I thought...FACTS ARE FACTS BRO NOW MOVE ON with yourself........Where are you getting this FUTURE chit from?...Man your making up BULLSHIT all over this place...get a life BRO and hop on the bandwagon.

KMAC

 

[gecko]

....leaning towards Mizzou. OSU is an antiseptic team. Believe Mizzou has shown more grit this yr, and had to tough it out in more games.

kmac-

Just to let you know where I'm coming from, above is a quote from a post I made on 3/17 before Mizzou faced Ohio St. Think the game with UCLA will be fantastic. So GL on your plays tonite.