Whats up with him. Starting to act like a 8 year old on the course. Maybe to much $$$$ in the bank.
Tiger Woods
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That's golf. He had a hell of a streak, and he caught a LOT of good breaks during that time. Another thing though, it seems to me that EVERYBODY is hitting the damn ball extremely long nowadays. Yesterday the club of choice from 180 yds seemed to be a 7 iron (are you kidding me?). I think that this fact has negated some of Tiger's advantage.
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I feel that Tiger's ability and play is taking golf to the next level. I am not referring to ratings or money or more people playing the sport. I think that he caused everyone else to rethink their game, practice more intensely, and in general everyone else is improving because of him.
I also feel that Tiger will be back on top shortly, but I don't think that he will dominate like he did in his highest prime. He will probably remain the #1 golfer for several years to come, but I think more and more players will be able to challenge in the coming years.
I think it is unfair to comment on his attitude on the course. I was very disappointed in TNT's coverage. He was struggling, 13-14 strokes off the lead, but you still saw every single shot he took. I personally love watching golf, but there were plenty of players on the course at that time that would have been much more fun to watch. How do you expect him to act? He wants to WIN, and he was off of his game. Of course, he is going to act a bit frustrated. Wouldn't you?
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dawgball
I also feel that Tiger will be back on top shortly, but I don't think that he will dominate like he did in his highest prime. He will probably remain the #1 golfer for several years to come, but I think more and more players will be able to challenge in the coming years.
I think it is unfair to comment on his attitude on the course. I was very disappointed in TNT's coverage. He was struggling, 13-14 strokes off the lead, but you still saw every single shot he took. I personally love watching golf, but there were plenty of players on the course at that time that would have been much more fun to watch. How do you expect him to act? He wants to WIN, and he was off of his game. Of course, he is going to act a bit frustrated. Wouldn't you?
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dawgball
Acting like what?
I agree with you on the coverage, dawgball. There are other golfers that get ignored, but unfortunately that is what the public wants to see right now. You and I are in minority on that I think. TIger has less of an advantage on a course that only has 2 par 5's like ATL athletic club does. Although that course is very long and seems to play into Tigers game, taking at least 1 par 5 out of the mix gives Tiger less of an advantage. Maybe not a shot per round, but close I would guess. Also, I noticed in the Washington Post today there are 2 articles about the PGA. The author managed to get get Tiger's name in both stories in some form by the 2nd sentence. Seemed odd to me. Just my .02
I agree with you on the coverage, dawgball. There are other golfers that get ignored, but unfortunately that is what the public wants to see right now. You and I are in minority on that I think. TIger has less of an advantage on a course that only has 2 par 5's like ATL athletic club does. Although that course is very long and seems to play into Tigers game, taking at least 1 par 5 out of the mix gives Tiger less of an advantage. Maybe not a shot per round, but close I would guess. Also, I noticed in the Washington Post today there are 2 articles about the PGA. The author managed to get get Tiger's name in both stories in some form by the 2nd sentence. Seemed odd to me. Just my .02
Tiger has always had a little edge to his on-course behavior - even as a kid and while winning those Am's. As others have pointed out, we end up seeing it ALL. That's not true with other players who "hide it" from camera or who we only see on their "highlight" shots, not their tantrums. I don't like seeing people lose it, as I think it negatively affects your playing partner(s), which is selfish and bad etiquette. I also don't like to see ahole athletes setting bad examples for others to emulate, particularly kids who copy every move.
Having said all that, I get a kick out of most of Tiger's moves. I also don't think it is completely bad to utter a few words in frustration or get on yourself a little from time to time ( just don't let it affect your playing partner(s)). He has some "street ball moves" in him that no doubt have come from watching Jordan and other athletes, but that's okay by me as long as he doesn't get too carried away ( which I haven't seen thusfar for the most part ).
Some player antics bother some, others don't. I can see the same stuff and think its funny out of one guy, but somehow not like it out of others. To each his own. I hated McEnroe ( as I thought he used his spoiled brat antics to gain advantage by giving him rest breaks, intimidating umps into giving him calls later, and psyching out his opponents ), but I loved Conners. He seemed to have more fun with it and my take was he got upset over being screwed, not just to catch a breath and gain an advantage. Nastase was a jerk almost as bad as Mac.
In golf, I enjoyed antics by Lee, ChiChi, even Walrus blowing off some steam. I never liked Colbert's routine, or Irwin's constant whine ( the high fiving was cool but he is such a sourpuss whiner ) and Surge pisses me off ( slow play and "Tiger wannabe" moves to show off, IMHO ). Others love Surge's antics and hate Tiger's. I think Tiger does most of his stuff to psyche himself up. I see Surge as trying to show off to get more PR. I also hate his slow play, anytime anywhere. It was epitomized in the Ryder Cup when the Euros were so blatantly slowing down play to try to "gimmick" their way to a victory. A little "pressure application", like giving putts early and not late, and staying in the match with a spotty game, is all well and good, but slowing down your pace intentionally to piss off the opponent and crowd is too much, IMO. Surge actually sat down in the fairway when it was his turn to play, as if to tell the fans to phuck off and he'd slow down the play however he wanted. If you have to resort so completely to gamesmanship and head games, instead of believing in your superior skill, then it is a cheapened and hollow victory, IMHO. At least the pre-mature spontaneous celebration wasn't "intended" to make Parny miss ( he is a class act IMO, BTW ). Must be RC time, as I'm on a rant.
I still think many hate Tiger because he's "part" black and breaking down one of the last bastions of whitedom. It has nothing to do with his antics, etc. that's just their excuse for "publicly" hating him. As much as I hate the hot dogging that pervades fb and hoops more and more, I don't mind Tiger's antics as they seem much more internal than "look at me world I made a putt". But that's my opinion, I could be wrong!
Having said all that, I get a kick out of most of Tiger's moves. I also don't think it is completely bad to utter a few words in frustration or get on yourself a little from time to time ( just don't let it affect your playing partner(s)). He has some "street ball moves" in him that no doubt have come from watching Jordan and other athletes, but that's okay by me as long as he doesn't get too carried away ( which I haven't seen thusfar for the most part ).
Some player antics bother some, others don't. I can see the same stuff and think its funny out of one guy, but somehow not like it out of others. To each his own. I hated McEnroe ( as I thought he used his spoiled brat antics to gain advantage by giving him rest breaks, intimidating umps into giving him calls later, and psyching out his opponents ), but I loved Conners. He seemed to have more fun with it and my take was he got upset over being screwed, not just to catch a breath and gain an advantage. Nastase was a jerk almost as bad as Mac.
In golf, I enjoyed antics by Lee, ChiChi, even Walrus blowing off some steam. I never liked Colbert's routine, or Irwin's constant whine ( the high fiving was cool but he is such a sourpuss whiner ) and Surge pisses me off ( slow play and "Tiger wannabe" moves to show off, IMHO ). Others love Surge's antics and hate Tiger's. I think Tiger does most of his stuff to psyche himself up. I see Surge as trying to show off to get more PR. I also hate his slow play, anytime anywhere. It was epitomized in the Ryder Cup when the Euros were so blatantly slowing down play to try to "gimmick" their way to a victory. A little "pressure application", like giving putts early and not late, and staying in the match with a spotty game, is all well and good, but slowing down your pace intentionally to piss off the opponent and crowd is too much, IMO. Surge actually sat down in the fairway when it was his turn to play, as if to tell the fans to phuck off and he'd slow down the play however he wanted. If you have to resort so completely to gamesmanship and head games, instead of believing in your superior skill, then it is a cheapened and hollow victory, IMHO. At least the pre-mature spontaneous celebration wasn't "intended" to make Parny miss ( he is a class act IMO, BTW ). Must be RC time, as I'm on a rant.
I still think many hate Tiger because he's "part" black and breaking down one of the last bastions of whitedom. It has nothing to do with his antics, etc. that's just their excuse for "publicly" hating him. As much as I hate the hot dogging that pervades fb and hoops more and more, I don't mind Tiger's antics as they seem much more internal than "look at me world I made a putt". But that's my opinion, I could be wrong!
Most fun to watch?
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Few years ago, Woody Austin repeatedly smashing his putter into his forehead until he bent the club.
roflmao
That should be "required watching" for any or all PGA events.
Hands down---
Few years ago, Woody Austin repeatedly smashing his putter into his forehead until he bent the club.
roflmao
That should be "required watching" for any or all PGA events.
buddy,
I also liked the "flipper" show from Ken Green. People who throw clubs in anger are immature dumbphucks who should be thrown off the course immediately, period, but he made tossing them to the caddie an artform.
I also liked the "flipper" show from Ken Green. People who throw clubs in anger are immature dumbphucks who should be thrown off the course immediately, period, but he made tossing them to the caddie an artform.
I sometimes get upset on the course, and threw clubs occasionally years ago, but I have not ever done it since a terrible situation that I was involved with 1st hand.
Several years ago when my father and I lived in the same town we always played a weekly round on Sunday afternoons. It was often just the 2 of us, but we sometimes were paired with another 2 some. On this day we were paired with another father and son who were about the same age and ability.
After about the 3rd hole it became apparent that the father had quite a temper. He would rant and rave after errant shots, pound his club in the ground throw his hat, etc. Well we got to the 16th green which was a par 5, and by the time the father reached the fringe he was lying 5 and had beaten up the hole pretty badly. Well he "chips" his 6th onto the green and chili dipped it. Apparently that was the last straw! He screams, turns 180 degrees and heaves his clubs with both hands like he his swinging a baseball bat. He was not aware that his son was walking from the cart about 15 feet behind him. The head (toe I think) catches the son right under the eye making an audible crack. The guy falls straight back on to the fairway and blood is EVERYWHERE in a matter of seconds, so much so that the son is swallowing blood, he starts convulsing, etc. The father tries to grab him and help him, but is doing no good because he is freaking out so much himself. I finally get the guy on his side, and his Dad had to try to hold his feet because the guy is convulsing so much (I guess he was in shock, don't know) Meanwhile my Dad jumps in the cart and hauls ass to the clubhouse to call an ambulance. The ambulance just happens to be in the same neighborhood as the club at the moment, thankfully, and is able to get on to the fairway by the cart paths, etc. They are literally there within 5 minutes of when this happened. Anyway, the guy ended up almost losing his eye. Thankfully did not, but had a broken cheekbone and orbital(sp?).
Probably one of the most frightening situations I have ever been involved with, and that is why I will never, ever throw a club. I can't tell you how many times I have told a Reader's Digest version of that to people I have played with that have thrown a club. It is hard not to come off "preachy", but people don't understand how dangerous it can be.
Several years ago when my father and I lived in the same town we always played a weekly round on Sunday afternoons. It was often just the 2 of us, but we sometimes were paired with another 2 some. On this day we were paired with another father and son who were about the same age and ability.
After about the 3rd hole it became apparent that the father had quite a temper. He would rant and rave after errant shots, pound his club in the ground throw his hat, etc. Well we got to the 16th green which was a par 5, and by the time the father reached the fringe he was lying 5 and had beaten up the hole pretty badly. Well he "chips" his 6th onto the green and chili dipped it. Apparently that was the last straw! He screams, turns 180 degrees and heaves his clubs with both hands like he his swinging a baseball bat. He was not aware that his son was walking from the cart about 15 feet behind him. The head (toe I think) catches the son right under the eye making an audible crack. The guy falls straight back on to the fairway and blood is EVERYWHERE in a matter of seconds, so much so that the son is swallowing blood, he starts convulsing, etc. The father tries to grab him and help him, but is doing no good because he is freaking out so much himself. I finally get the guy on his side, and his Dad had to try to hold his feet because the guy is convulsing so much (I guess he was in shock, don't know) Meanwhile my Dad jumps in the cart and hauls ass to the clubhouse to call an ambulance. The ambulance just happens to be in the same neighborhood as the club at the moment, thankfully, and is able to get on to the fairway by the cart paths, etc. They are literally there within 5 minutes of when this happened. Anyway, the guy ended up almost losing his eye. Thankfully did not, but had a broken cheekbone and orbital(sp?).
Probably one of the most frightening situations I have ever been involved with, and that is why I will never, ever throw a club. I can't tell you how many times I have told a Reader's Digest version of that to people I have played with that have thrown a club. It is hard not to come off "preachy", but people don't understand how dangerous it can be.
Exactly Sub!
I've heard and read a few stories about major accidents, even a few deaths, caused by club throwing. There's enough danger getting hit by balls ( I got a concussion and have had a couple long lasting welts from people not yelling fore and being idiots ). Club throwing is a mandatory "get the phuck off the course" for anyone I play with! I won't stand for it! NO EXCUSE! If you are such a juvenile and don't have the balls to take failure like a man, then take up a different game! It's supposed to be fun and social, not dangerous and juvenile!
I've heard and read a few stories about major accidents, even a few deaths, caused by club throwing. There's enough danger getting hit by balls ( I got a concussion and have had a couple long lasting welts from people not yelling fore and being idiots ). Club throwing is a mandatory "get the phuck off the course" for anyone I play with! I won't stand for it! NO EXCUSE! If you are such a juvenile and don't have the balls to take failure like a man, then take up a different game! It's supposed to be fun and social, not dangerous and juvenile!
Im not sure if this was pointed at me or not. But I don't care what color anyone is. I think Tiger is great. I just thought he was acting a little to (well the heck with it). Tell you what Jack would have just kept attacking and stood tall all the way. Jack is the guy Tiger wants to be like. Jacks records are what he is after. Then a very high standard comes with that. I thought it was missing Sunday.
djv,
Wasn't aiming at u or anyone in particular. It's just been my experience that most of the Tiger haters I run across I also know to be racist bigots as well. Not all, but the majority. It's a free country, I just wish more would admit the truth. If this "generalization" doesn't apply to u, then don't sweat it.
I am a slow play bigot, CPT or just slow ass white boys, I hate all slow players equally! Human rain delays drive me nuts! Nicklaus isn't exactly a speed demon. To each his own! Mentioning Jack reminds me of a buddy of mine. I completely blew his image of Jack when I told him he was a chain smoker for most of his career. He couldn't believe it! I told him I liked the fact that Jack WOULD NOT smoke at the course for fear some kid would emulate him. My buddy didn't like the "hiding" aspect, somehow thinks it is hypocritical that he smoked only in private. I think he gave it up a few years back, but he was a smokestack off the course. Not relevant, but it just reminded me of it!
GL
Wasn't aiming at u or anyone in particular. It's just been my experience that most of the Tiger haters I run across I also know to be racist bigots as well. Not all, but the majority. It's a free country, I just wish more would admit the truth. If this "generalization" doesn't apply to u, then don't sweat it.
I am a slow play bigot, CPT or just slow ass white boys, I hate all slow players equally! Human rain delays drive me nuts! Nicklaus isn't exactly a speed demon. To each his own! Mentioning Jack reminds me of a buddy of mine. I completely blew his image of Jack when I told him he was a chain smoker for most of his career. He couldn't believe it! I told him I liked the fact that Jack WOULD NOT smoke at the course for fear some kid would emulate him. My buddy didn't like the "hiding" aspect, somehow thinks it is hypocritical that he smoked only in private. I think he gave it up a few years back, but he was a smokestack off the course. Not relevant, but it just reminded me of it!
GL
Got a question for you brother Buck since I consider you one of the sharper tacks in the pack.Several years ago the 1st Nike/Tiger commercial (which only aired twice and was pulled)had racial overtone of him saying "there are still couses I can't play"I made a comment back then that I thought it was uncalled for and he could get on a lot more courses than I could.A bud of mine,Parlay, I'm sure you remember him from years past,remarked in a nice way that I may have racist tendencies which I don't think is the case and sure hoped not but it got me to thinking.So I'd like to pose this question to you.When I lived in St Louis years ago I would often drive miles out of the way late at night going home to avoid traveling thru a certain district.Question: Does that make me a prudent person or a racist or both?
DOGS,
I echo buddy. It is prudent capping. It has more to do with economics than racism. the hard core urban areas are scary period, all inhabitants are put upon no matter what their race.
I think everyone has some racism, or at least prejudice, in them. Those that don't admit it, or are hard core haters to the bone, scare me. Ya gots to unlearn' it, which can be hard. Many stereotypes are true, but that doesn't mean you should pre-judge everyone based on them. I do think "personally profiling" for safety can be prudent, when walking the streets or driving through some areas. Many people have a chip on their shoulder about being a minority, or gay, or whatever, and that can make them hostile toward slow white guys like me. I don't know chit, but at least I admit it and try to learn from it.
GL
I echo buddy. It is prudent capping. It has more to do with economics than racism. the hard core urban areas are scary period, all inhabitants are put upon no matter what their race.
I think everyone has some racism, or at least prejudice, in them. Those that don't admit it, or are hard core haters to the bone, scare me. Ya gots to unlearn' it, which can be hard. Many stereotypes are true, but that doesn't mean you should pre-judge everyone based on them. I do think "personally profiling" for safety can be prudent, when walking the streets or driving through some areas. Many people have a chip on their shoulder about being a minority, or gay, or whatever, and that can make them hostile toward slow white guys like me. I don't know chit, but at least I admit it and try to learn from it.
GL
