today at the midwest regional poker tourney...

[MadJack]

breezed through the first 5 levels increasing my stack from the original 2000 to 8800. 50 people left with average stack at 6400. i have the button, blinds are 150/300 with a 25 ante.

mid posion raises to 1200 and i look down at pocket aces. yes! baby! i call his 1200 and raise 3000. it gets back to the bb and he asks the dealer "did he raise it 3000?". dealer says yes, he called the 1200 and raised it 3000, it's 3900 to you sir. bb says "ALL IN" mid position thinks for a minute and folds. i immediately say "CALL". i flip up my AA and he frowns as he flipps up his KK. this approx 20k pot is going to make me one of the chip leaders if not THE leader. flop comes Q48 and the turn? THE FUKING KING! no river help for me and i bust out in 50th.

first pays 35k ugh!

unbelievable!

 

[Blazer]

I love to hate this game.....sorry jack

 

[kneifl]

Damn, that river card sucked Jack... You'll get lady luck on your side next time, you made the right play though...

kneifl

 

[Blazer]

Damn, that river card sucked Jack... You'll get lady luck on your side next time, you made the right play though...

kneifl

It was the turn...still sucked.... :com:

 

[vinnie]

Did you pull a Hellmuth :shrug: :mj07:

 

[vanbasten]

real tough break jack. sounds like you played well all day.

BUT...AMEP has you

good luck next tourney.

 

[IX_Bender]

Not the first and wont be the last time.

He would have taken a beatdown at the local table, because pocket kings dont win around here. No matter what.

These types of losses dont even rattle my cage anymore. Sadly, I dont know if that is a good thing or not.

Tough break on the bust.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I dont profess to be a poker player so I probably have no idea what I am talking about, and it obviously doesnt change the outcome, but I hope to understand (since I cant flip the channel without seeing a poker game). But why would you raise 3k when you have 8? The guy has already thrown in 1200 and you figure to be well ahead after the flop - at best he will be on a draw-so smooth call seems to make alot of sense. On the other side, isnt anyone who is even thinking of calling at that amount going to put you all in anyway, or you will do it yourself after the flop, so why go in-between before the flop after he gets 3 cards that might help? Guess I am missing the strategy behind your bet.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

breezed through the first 5 levels increasing my stack from the original 2000 to 8800. 50 people left with average stack at 6400. i have the button, blinds are 150/300 with a 25 ante.

mid posion raises to 1200 and i look down at pocket aces. yes! baby! i call his 1200 and raise 3000. it gets back to the bb and he asks the dealer "did he raise it 3000?". dealer says yes, he called the 1200 and raised it 3000, it's 3900 to you sir. bb says "ALL IN" mid position thinks for a minute and folds. i immediately say "CALL". i flip up my AA and he frowns as he flipps up his KK. this approx 20k pot is going to make me one of the chip leaders if not THE leader. flop comes Q48 and the turn? THE FUKING KING! no river help for me and i bust out in 50th.

first pays 35k ugh!

unbelievable!

Doesn't it seem like the king always come out when you have pocket aces. It seems like you're trying to go professional in cards by your threads about Texas Hold'em. I really think I can make it if I win one tournament and have the bank roll to compete with the "professionals" in the tour.

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

I dont profess to be a poker player so I probably have no idea what I am talking about, and it obviously doesnt change the outcome, but I hope to understand (since I cant flip the channel without seeing a poker game). But why would you raise 3k when you have 8? The guy has already thrown in 1200 and you figure to be well ahead after the flop - at best he will be on a draw-so smooth call seems to make alot of sense. On the other side, isnt anyone who is even thinking of calling at that amount going to put you all in anyway, or you will do it yourself after the flop, so why go in-between before the flop after he gets 3 cards that might help? Guess I am missing the strategy behind your bet.

because you want action on your hand is why you raise. if you just push the guy will fold the majority of the time. more so live than online, a lot more. you don't know he has kings. unless he has kings or ak, or maybe queens he's gonna lay it down and that's not what you want. winning the antes and a normal raise isn't what you want. in this scenario he did have kings and would have called anyway, but 90 percent of the time he won't have a hand that will call and will fold preflop. by raising 3, you are essentially pot committing him to stay in with a weaker hand that will pay you off on most boards with a weaker hand. calling is terrible, terrible, terrible because it allows the blinds to play marginal hands for a discount, and they would be right to call with plenty of marginal holdings, big blind only has to throw in 900 into a 2850 pot at the time provided small blind folds, and if he tags along then its 900 into a 3750 pot giving him 4 to 1 where J 10 and such is getting more than the right price to call.

and very few people understand the math in poker. not saying you jack, but others bitch about kk losing to aa like its not supposed to happen. you're only a 4 to 1 favorite, and yeah it sucks. but 20 percent of the time you are going to lose anyway. run the simulations. people act like its such an odd occurence or that online poker must be rigged. i know this was live, but you hear it all the time. no matter what, 1 out of every 5 times you get aa vs. kk you are gonna lose. its not that uncommon at all.

sorry you lost jack, get em next time.

gl


just reread jacks original post again, and i had the action wrong, bb went all in. but everything still stands true. you want to isolate the original raiser and not give the blinds a fair price mathematically to see the flop. just glanced and thought the action was mid position who called the reraise all in.