Toronto Tonight

Nolan Dalla

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There was some discussion in the Portland/NY Knicks thread (earlier on the forum) about player motivations in the NBA and the challenge of trying to predict "patterns of behavior" for these multi-millionaires with IQs the size of grapefruits.

I made a late play on the Knicks in the game in question, thinking that the public was over-reacting to NY's well-publicized troubles and injuries (Camby), combined with Portland's "I don't give a sh*t" attitude in most road games. Yet, I was also furious last night watching the disgraceful effort on the part of Toronto playing in Sacramento. I couldn't believe my eyes! The Raptors were on the bench, down by 10-15 points in the fourth quarter, and were laughing and joking around. It made me want to vomit. I'm sure you all (who gamble on the games) get angry and emotional when you see your team losing. It would seem that the ATHLETES themselves who have MUCH MORE AT STAKE (career, reputation, etc.) would go through the same gambit of emotions. But many of these players don't have any pride in themselves. They just go through the motions and collect a freakin' paycheck. Sure, they occasionally show off in dramatic fashion, but a TEAM WIN is a totally alien concept in the NBA. It all -- me, me, me, me.

Which brings us to tonight's NBA angle:

As angry as I am with the Raptors right now for that sh*tty effort in Sacramento last night, I came to the conclusion that they are a strong play tonight. Here's my thinking. Raptors know they can't match up with Kings on the road, and once they fell behind by more than 10 points, the Raptors pretty much packed it in. They went through the motions (Let's get the game over with). If you saw the game, you witnessed the Raptors dribbling the ball to the half-court slowly with no sense of uegency, committing a number of 24-second violations, etc. This tells me Raptors didn't want to spend any energy in what almost certainly would be a loss. This point was made CLEAR when Wilkens REMOVED star Vince Carter from the lineup with about 7 minutes left in the game. Raptors got to within 10 points and Carter was still on the bench. Carter didn't even protest (he normally would be in ANY WINNABLE GAME). I conclude that Wilkens and the Raptors mailed it in last night (I expected them to use the game as a TEST, in a shootout which is why I had the OVER -- was I wrong!). The fact was -- they wanted to get out of town healthy and semi-fresh for night's game and beyond. The Carter sitting on the bench thing is an indication that Raptors are going to put MORE EFFORT into the game tonight and should win versus an inferior team. Wilkens may have even removed the starters (which hurts their scoring averages) in an effort to (1) MOTIVATE them to give a better effort in the future...if you don't play well, I'll get someone off the bench to take your place and (2) to keep the starters fresh for tonight's back-to-back road game.

Kings played a tough zone defense last night (it was brutal), whereas the Warriors have a reputation for a very soft defense (Admittedly, I haven't seen them play this season -- but last year this team was horrible defensively). Raptors are the play here, I belive, based on the circus last night in Sacramento.

Then again, who can predict which way a grapefruit will roll?

-- Nolan Dalla
 

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Nolan,
I think your observation is one of the most convincing arguments for playing a team I've heard. I watched that game also and 100% agree with you. Toronto was not trying to win that game. I'm only speculating here, but I also think Carter wanted to rest for tonight's game to have a good showing against Jamison. I look to see both these guys be the focus of the night and should be a lot of scoring.
 

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Nolan- I couldn't agree with you more on the Toronto take. They actually pulled within 8, had the ball, called timeout, and still didn't put Davis or Carter back in the game. They ended up with a wide open Montross jumper that bricked. This was right around 1:30-2 min left in the game. Lenny was definitely looking ahead to a much more winnable game for them. GLTA
 

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Toronto won earlier this year 109-92--at home!! Golden St. has played well the last few games!! MAybe this is why the line is 2.5--- Is this a Trap??-like Portland last night!!! I do not know!! Does anyone have the stats the last time these 2 teams played!!! Rebounding--shooting--Free-throws--Turnovers--
 

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Last game on 11/7

Golden State (202) 92
Toronto (10.5) 109 FINAL

Team Statistics
GS TOR
Points~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~92 109
Turnover Points~~~~~~~17 20
Fastbreak Points~~~~~~35 42

Field Goals ~~~~~~~~29-90 41-95
Free Throws~~~~~~~~~30-41 17-24
3-pointers~~~~~~~~~~~4-10 10-21

Offensive Rebounds~~~~~20 19
Defensive Rebounds~~~~~32 41
Total Rebounds~~~~~~~~~52 60
Assists~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~19 33
Blocks~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~5 24
Fouls~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~18 29
Steals~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~8 9
Turnovers~~~~~~~~~~~~~~13 14

HERE YOU GO.....peace
 

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I think a clear difference that needs to be understood is that Toronto plays much better at home than they do on the road. . . basically two different teams.

Line is certainly not a trap. . . Vegas recognizes this and adjusts accordingly.

I still like the Raptors tonight!
 

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i think the Raptors are way overrated.....these two teams are very similar in my opinion and i am on Golden State......
 

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I love to go against teams in their first game home after a successful road swing, especially West coast teams going East. I think these teams (Golden State fits this) come out flat, and they are oftentimes fatigued from the trip.

That said, I'm passing this game. I do think there is value in the over here. Lots of fouls and free throws. GL!
 

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Thanks for the stats... Looks to me like Golden St. shot the ball pretty bad!! ANd we all know if you can not put the ball in the hole(WYoming)---losing will follow!!! I think i will stay away but if i had to pick--i would say GOlden ST.--at home might be the side!!
 

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Nolan,

Nice writeup, I agree as I have also made a play on the Raptors. You may have hit the nail on the head with the benching of the starters in last night's game.

"We talk about playing defence a certain way and we don't talk; we turn our backs and they go backdoor on us. We just didn't play the way we're capable of playing."

The margin of defeat could have been much bigger had Wilkens not given the end of his bench some work in the fourth quarter and watched as they got the deficit down to a presentable figure.

"I just went to bench to see if the kids could do it," said Wilkens. And when it looked like they might just get the Raptors all the way back in the game, the coach was loath to sit them down.

"They got us back; what kind of signal would it be to take them out?" he said. "Now if those guys (the starters) had been playing halfway decent then maybe you come back to them but those other guys deserved the chance.

"Besides, we have a game to play tonight (in Oakland against Golden State)."

Vince Carter, who finished with game-high 23 points - a decent number that belies his defensive deficiencies on the evening - figures Wilkens knows what he's doing.

"It was his decision, he's the coach," said Carter, who played 38 minutes, the most of any starter except Hakeem Olajuwon, who played 39.

"If that's what he says, `Sit down there,' you sit down there. We have a game (tonight), too."


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