How does board feel about tout services. Are some reliable? I feel some are respectable and although I don't pay for them , I sure like to see what they are playing on the free reports. Trouble is too many picks and now sometimes it feels like i'm handicapping the handicappers. Has anyone else fallen into this vortex?, any advice?
Tout discussion
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ive only used on, when i first started gambling, and it was Root. Avoid him like the plague....:nono:
Have to say I was and still am VERY SKEPTICAL of these tout services. This year for the first time I signed up for a newsletter subscription and on the recommendation of folks here chose Phil Steeles Power Sweep.
I have to admit I am 110% satisfied. I personally do not pay for picks or pay for any of their pick services. But for $125 their newsletter is really great. Personally, I am one who likes to gather as much info as possible and then make my own picks. Not necessarily pay for someone elses picks.
Two thumbs up for me on their newsletter.
I have to admit I am 110% satisfied. I personally do not pay for picks or pay for any of their pick services. But for $125 their newsletter is really great. Personally, I am one who likes to gather as much info as possible and then make my own picks. Not necessarily pay for someone elses picks.
Two thumbs up for me on their newsletter.
(lol)I know how you feel,I've tried handicapping the handicappers & then I realized that I was wasting my time.I,too have used Phil Steele's newsletter for years.Not so much for his picks,but more for info purposes.Also there are some quality cappers here that are nice enough to share their thoughts on the various games each week.You should take advantage of that.
Good Luck
Good Luck
OK, you guys got my interest piqued ... How much does power sweep cost -- $125 for how long?
Steele is a maniacal info gatherer, just look at his encyclopoedia style preview mags.
Steele is a maniacal info gatherer, just look at his encyclopoedia style preview mags.
If you'll look around their are consensus servicefor around $150 where you can get Steels publication plays ,phone plays plus udog and many others.
Also for some free plays there is guy with great Monday night 5 year record by name of Minnesota Mike. I posted most his Monday night plays last year in nfl forum here but he didn't seem to get much respect. He only went 15-1 on Mondays nights last year---and 2-0 this year. Here was his write up for last week.
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Last Year a record 15-1 MNF!
Regular Season 42-32-1 = 57.3%
First week was an exciting one. Finally got a couple wins and a close loss on SF. Usually the first week is not a good indication of teams but I think LW was an exception to that. Patriots look a lot better than anyone gave them credit for and may be even better than LY. Rams defense is still alive but the offense wearing down and showing vulnerable. NYG made an impressive performance in loss to 49ers. Titans rallied like a winner along with Packers and Bears. Not a lot of surprises so far except for Chargers dominant win and the Cowboys choke.
2002 Week 2!
Pics will be posted at least 6 hours before game!
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Lions vs Panthers: Lions played worse than their 49-21 loss would indicate, if you can believe that. Panthers equaled LY ins and have a chance to double that number - but then again they started out that way LY. Coach Fox looks to have this team clearly improved and to the point of being able to perform the basics with few errors. The same cannot be said of the Lions. W/o RB Stewart their is little chance for the motor city kitties to roar. Veteren QB Pete for Panthers has a lot more experience and can be not only a decent QB but a playmaker at times as shown when he played for Lions. This game will be a bit extra sweet for him. The only way Lions win is if RB Barry Sanders comes out of retirement. Panthers eat the Lions alive. We won't get lines the low vs Lions very often - take advantage.
Take the Panthers -3
Gaints vs Rams: Giants had a very tough loss in opener but looked like a true SB caliber team. More impressive than a couple years ago. The defense seems tougher now, and offensively they have some potential to attach through the air. Rams defense does not appear to have dropped off at all from LY but the offense is seems a bit slower. Maybe its age, maybe its losing Hakim, maybe it was an off week. Fact is now in the SB, pre-season and opener, teams have shown they can handle the Rams offense. Thus, the huge line. Emotion is Rams will rebound big. Now if it was a different opponent I'd bit. NYG gave the Rams all they could handle LY and bascially beat themself in a one point loss. NYG seemed to have improved off of LY while Rams lost a little on offense. Now its a 12.5 line. Rams have the firepower to make that line but I don't expect it. Expect NYG to play Rams tough - just like Broncos and Pats did. They may come out with a loss bit I think it will be close. This is the DOG OF THE WEEK.
Take the Giants + 13.5
Raiders vs Steelers: This should be a bruiser of a game. Tough to go against Steelers at home so we need to make a case. Steelers showed they are extremely vulnerable to the pass. Not only was this evident in the MNF loss but also in the pre-season comeback by Skins. The holes that big don't get plugged in a week. They will need to use the ground game but there are a few problems with that - namely big Sam Adams and Romananski and the rest of Raider defense. Raiders showed much improvement blocking the middle - and the bus tends to slide if he goes east-west. Raiders look to be as complete package as there is in the NFL. The will attack both via the air and the ground. Have to like getting points because it probably won't happen to often TY.
Take the Raiders +4
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Eagles vs Redskins: Despite the hype the skins can consider themselves lucky to pulled out the win LW. Question is how good are the Cards? Eagles on the other hand found a way to lose a game they had dominated. The concern is they lost if on pass defense - something they will face a lot of TW. The Fun-n-Gun works as long as you don't face a strong defense. Eagles are regarded as a strong defense but lost key player Trotter making a big hole to fill. That was not done LW and Eagles lost. Expect adjustments will be made. Everyone is banking on the Eagles but it's not as sure thing as most think. They are still on the road on MNF against a team they split with LY.
Take the Eagles -3
Also for some free plays there is guy with great Monday night 5 year record by name of Minnesota Mike. I posted most his Monday night plays last year in nfl forum here but he didn't seem to get much respect. He only went 15-1 on Mondays nights last year---and 2-0 this year. Here was his write up for last week.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Last Year a record 15-1 MNF!
Regular Season 42-32-1 = 57.3%
First week was an exciting one. Finally got a couple wins and a close loss on SF. Usually the first week is not a good indication of teams but I think LW was an exception to that. Patriots look a lot better than anyone gave them credit for and may be even better than LY. Rams defense is still alive but the offense wearing down and showing vulnerable. NYG made an impressive performance in loss to 49ers. Titans rallied like a winner along with Packers and Bears. Not a lot of surprises so far except for Chargers dominant win and the Cowboys choke.
2002 Week 2!
Pics will be posted at least 6 hours before game!
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SUN
Lions vs Panthers: Lions played worse than their 49-21 loss would indicate, if you can believe that. Panthers equaled LY ins and have a chance to double that number - but then again they started out that way LY. Coach Fox looks to have this team clearly improved and to the point of being able to perform the basics with few errors. The same cannot be said of the Lions. W/o RB Stewart their is little chance for the motor city kitties to roar. Veteren QB Pete for Panthers has a lot more experience and can be not only a decent QB but a playmaker at times as shown when he played for Lions. This game will be a bit extra sweet for him. The only way Lions win is if RB Barry Sanders comes out of retirement. Panthers eat the Lions alive. We won't get lines the low vs Lions very often - take advantage.
Take the Panthers -3
Gaints vs Rams: Giants had a very tough loss in opener but looked like a true SB caliber team. More impressive than a couple years ago. The defense seems tougher now, and offensively they have some potential to attach through the air. Rams defense does not appear to have dropped off at all from LY but the offense is seems a bit slower. Maybe its age, maybe its losing Hakim, maybe it was an off week. Fact is now in the SB, pre-season and opener, teams have shown they can handle the Rams offense. Thus, the huge line. Emotion is Rams will rebound big. Now if it was a different opponent I'd bit. NYG gave the Rams all they could handle LY and bascially beat themself in a one point loss. NYG seemed to have improved off of LY while Rams lost a little on offense. Now its a 12.5 line. Rams have the firepower to make that line but I don't expect it. Expect NYG to play Rams tough - just like Broncos and Pats did. They may come out with a loss bit I think it will be close. This is the DOG OF THE WEEK.
Take the Giants + 13.5
Raiders vs Steelers: This should be a bruiser of a game. Tough to go against Steelers at home so we need to make a case. Steelers showed they are extremely vulnerable to the pass. Not only was this evident in the MNF loss but also in the pre-season comeback by Skins. The holes that big don't get plugged in a week. They will need to use the ground game but there are a few problems with that - namely big Sam Adams and Romananski and the rest of Raider defense. Raiders showed much improvement blocking the middle - and the bus tends to slide if he goes east-west. Raiders look to be as complete package as there is in the NFL. The will attack both via the air and the ground. Have to like getting points because it probably won't happen to often TY.
Take the Raiders +4
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Eagles vs Redskins: Despite the hype the skins can consider themselves lucky to pulled out the win LW. Question is how good are the Cards? Eagles on the other hand found a way to lose a game they had dominated. The concern is they lost if on pass defense - something they will face a lot of TW. The Fun-n-Gun works as long as you don't face a strong defense. Eagles are regarded as a strong defense but lost key player Trotter making a big hole to fill. That was not done LW and Eagles lost. Expect adjustments will be made. Everyone is banking on the Eagles but it's not as sure thing as most think. They are still on the road on MNF against a team they split with LY.
Take the Eagles -3
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Tout Services--there are good ones out there, but it's not the guys you see in the papers or on TV (it's that simple). If the tout is not up-front with absolutely every bit of info, simply turn and walk away. Any surprise fees or charges, get the hell out of Dodge immediately. Beyond that, if someone that works to find winners for you and feels that they should profit off of their labor--there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
DTB--Where can someone find MM's picks and when does he have them up? You always seem to have the jewels in this thing!
DTB--Where can someone find MM's picks and when does he have them up? You always seem to have the jewels in this thing!
Brother Dawg He has plays up early,usually by Saturday.
If Jack ok's posting link I will as Mike has no ads or forums on site.
If not shoot me an email. Link to email on site in profile.
If Jack ok's posting link I will as Mike has no ads or forums on site.
If not shoot me an email. Link to email on site in profile.
Been with gamblersdata for the entire baseball season and showing a nice profit. Solid. Good luck.
Again ... how much is Power Sweep? I'm not really interested in it for the plays --- I like STeele's data.
When does it come out on the interent each week, and how much does it have in the way of trends, etc?
When does it come out on the interent each week, and how much does it have in the way of trends, etc?
Jeff, the price drops a bit every week.
Typically it is released on the internet Tuesday morning and arrives in the mail Thursday or Friday. So far I have noticed that Powersweep subcribers get a few goodies thrown in here or there, free plays, or free mailings, not really anything great but its something.
And you are right this guy is second to none in terms of sheer information volume.
Typically it is released on the internet Tuesday morning and arrives in the mail Thursday or Friday. So far I have noticed that Powersweep subcribers get a few goodies thrown in here or there, free plays, or free mailings, not really anything great but its something.
And you are right this guy is second to none in terms of sheer information volume.
I don't think much of services in general but if I would pay my first 3 choices would be fletcher, kcwolf and Ben Burns for puck. Just my opinion. :shrug:
Good question...
Good question...
All depends on the service, and what you are looking for. Make sure the service fits your style of wagering!
Some people look for the Big Bang weekend, and then are out of it. Services that promote that style typically are just a marketing tool.
If you are interested in the long term and using a service for such a purpose, make sure they do not offer their GOY weekly, etc., those are just marketing ploys for the most part.
Simply put (IMO and I am biased) a good service is one that produces you units, long term without false claims and is documented!
dogface
Good question...
All depends on the service, and what you are looking for. Make sure the service fits your style of wagering!
Some people look for the Big Bang weekend, and then are out of it. Services that promote that style typically are just a marketing tool.
If you are interested in the long term and using a service for such a purpose, make sure they do not offer their GOY weekly, etc., those are just marketing ploys for the most part.
Simply put (IMO and I am biased) a good service is one that produces you units, long term without false claims and is documented!
dogface
I guess we could make a distinction here between paying for picks and paying for information. There are people who just like to buy picks for the season and those who like to pay for an information service. I would never pay for a season of someone elses picks, but do pay for PowerSweep, which in my opinion would fall into the information category. Sure he sells picks packages, but the basis of PowerSweep is his insane ability to pack sick amounts of info into his sheet.
If you want to see what I am talking about, past copies of the newsletter are available on his site.
If you want to see what I am talking about, past copies of the newsletter are available on his site.
Now if you want to talk about the ultimate capper haven't seen any that could hold "Underdogs" jockstrap. Stranger yet there is no address or link to him and you couldn't subscribe to his service if you wanted to.Plays are picked up thru select consensus's
by the way he is 3-0-1 so far this year in NCAA and Pros with all dogs winning on ML including 14 1/2 point dog Nevada in college and Dallas in pros last week.
Heres reprint of a little history on him I posted before.
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Have never seen a capper come close nor be as mysterious as underdog.Has never had a service to be purchased,no address, totally
untraceable.Can be found only on certain consensus and can't find find where play orignates from. However he plays one selection a week,always a dog.These are his yearly tabs past 17 years in NCAA.
1985 61%
1986 91%
1987 67%
1988 71%
1989 56%
1990 63%
1991 73%
1992 62%
1994 50%
1995 56%
1996 67%
1997 67%
1998 63%
1999 87%
2000 47%
2001 63%
total for 17 years 65.1%
college GOY in those 17 years 14-3
Now it is hard to pick up his plays until prior to half hour before gametime unless it is late game.
I did not have the good fortune to play many of his selections till about 1995.
Normally will play them 1/2 spread and 1/2 ML.Best year I have had with that system on his plays was 1999.
Here were his selections for that year.
13-2 all dogs 10 ml winners
Team-Spread-w/l-score
Rutgers +23 1/2 W 21-38
Mich St + 6.5 W 23-13
E. Car +11 W 27-23
LSU +9 W 22-23
Mich St +2.5 W 34-31
Bos Col +3.5 W 20-16
OK +3.5 W 51-6
Colorado +4.5 W 38-24
Virginia +7 W 45-38
Auburn +10 W 38-21
UCLA +6.5 (L) 7-17
Colorado +14.5 W 30-33
Wake Forrest +3 W 23-3 Bowl
Texas AM +7 (L) 0-24 Bowl
Oregon +3.5 W 24-20 Bowl
If there was a cappers Hall of Fame he'd get my vote,whoever and whereever he is.
by the way he is 3-0-1 so far this year in NCAA and Pros with all dogs winning on ML including 14 1/2 point dog Nevada in college and Dallas in pros last week.
Heres reprint of a little history on him I posted before.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Have never seen a capper come close nor be as mysterious as underdog.Has never had a service to be purchased,no address, totally
untraceable.Can be found only on certain consensus and can't find find where play orignates from. However he plays one selection a week,always a dog.These are his yearly tabs past 17 years in NCAA.
1985 61%
1986 91%
1987 67%
1988 71%
1989 56%
1990 63%
1991 73%
1992 62%
1994 50%
1995 56%
1996 67%
1997 67%
1998 63%
1999 87%
2000 47%
2001 63%
total for 17 years 65.1%
college GOY in those 17 years 14-3
Now it is hard to pick up his plays until prior to half hour before gametime unless it is late game.
I did not have the good fortune to play many of his selections till about 1995.
Normally will play them 1/2 spread and 1/2 ML.Best year I have had with that system on his plays was 1999.
Here were his selections for that year.
13-2 all dogs 10 ml winners
Team-Spread-w/l-score
Rutgers +23 1/2 W 21-38
Mich St + 6.5 W 23-13
E. Car +11 W 27-23
LSU +9 W 22-23
Mich St +2.5 W 34-31
Bos Col +3.5 W 20-16
OK +3.5 W 51-6
Colorado +4.5 W 38-24
Virginia +7 W 45-38
Auburn +10 W 38-21
UCLA +6.5 (L) 7-17
Colorado +14.5 W 30-33
Wake Forrest +3 W 23-3 Bowl
Texas AM +7 (L) 0-24 Bowl
Oregon +3.5 W 24-20 Bowl
If there was a cappers Hall of Fame he'd get my vote,whoever and whereever he is.
Tout discussion
I was interested if anybody followed the free service reports that can be found at a few other sites. Antonio used to post them here last year and I found where they are this year.They come up about an hour or so before the first games. There's probably 50 or so pay service picks from all the T.V. and radio show guys.Are these free reports thier actual pay picks? During the week they post newsletter plays and I can verify that Playbook and Powersweep are reported correctly. They give the star picks but no write ups.Just wondering if the weekend reports are on the up and up and why would anyone pay when a ton of them are there for free?
I was interested if anybody followed the free service reports that can be found at a few other sites. Antonio used to post them here last year and I found where they are this year.They come up about an hour or so before the first games. There's probably 50 or so pay service picks from all the T.V. and radio show guys.Are these free reports thier actual pay picks? During the week they post newsletter plays and I can verify that Playbook and Powersweep are reported correctly. They give the star picks but no write ups.Just wondering if the weekend reports are on the up and up and why would anyone pay when a ton of them are there for free?
Break aleg.You have touched on a good point. some items that come out just before game time are not always the correct best plays. However if you use some of those guys that are listed. I don't care if they are there right ones or not. You just in most case will get hurt.
Dogs that Bark I was very great full for those MM picks. And do hope we see them again this year. As for underdog. I had afriend I say had because he pass away two years ago. That's about the time I found this site. Boy did I need this site. It helped easy some pain. Anyway he would tell me from time to time he had this underdog play from underdog. I thought he was full of chit. I still don't know if same guy or not. But that play won so much I have to believe same guy. I looked all over for this guy. I never found a thing. Im just excited to here you say what you have here. I sure hope you have the connection to post the play. And you are very right. Many of the very best no one even knows who they are.
Dogs that Bark I was very great full for those MM picks. And do hope we see them again this year. As for underdog. I had afriend I say had because he pass away two years ago. That's about the time I found this site. Boy did I need this site. It helped easy some pain. Anyway he would tell me from time to time he had this underdog play from underdog. I thought he was full of chit. I still don't know if same guy or not. But that play won so much I have to believe same guy. I looked all over for this guy. I never found a thing. Im just excited to here you say what you have here. I sure hope you have the connection to post the play. And you are very right. Many of the very best no one even knows who they are.
If you are looking for a particular services or touts plays for the weekend, let me know. I have a source that can get about 30-35 services plays every weekend..........email me and ill let you know
It will help you follow a service a little bit before you decide to buy........to see if they are legit or not........
It will help you follow a service a little bit before you decide to buy........to see if they are legit or not........
