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W/O big 4 @ GG
Maggert 66/1 e/w

14 opens 7 top 10's including 4 top 5's
Finished 7th here in 99--if you'd threw out Mick-Singh and Woods he'd been tied for 4th.
will give him a look at these odds.
 

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One early play:

Phil -101 ove Els (Pinny)

Phil #1 in Scrambling ....Ernie #143
 

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Another:

Donald -131 ov Harrington

Donald #2 in scrambling...Harrington #63
Donald #4 in gir..............Harrington #155
 

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Scott Verplank 80/1 e.w. at Ladbrokes

Was top 20 in 1999 at Pinehurst. Hits fairways and greens. Just seems to have the game for this tournament.
 

The Big Tease

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does anyone know anything about Josh McCumber? More importantly, why he has the same win odds as some very capable players such as Jay Haas, Bob Estes, Richard Green, etc. Is there something that I am missing here?
 

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Outright plays (total stake per play: 1.5pts)

Phil Mickelson to win 10/1 @ BetFred ['Fred's Bonus Book' market]
Pinehurst No.2 is not a traditional U.S. Open venue, it's domed greens are not surrounded by deep rough, but shaved edges. With Dave Pelz estimating that, on average, there is only 28% of each green at Pinehurst No.2 that the player can hit and stay on the green, scrambling will be much more important this year than any previous year since 1999. It is also more forgiving off the tee than most U.S. Open venues. All of which points to the No.1 ranked player in terms of scrambling on the PGA Tour: Phil Mickelson. He finished 2nd in an epic head-to-head with Payne Stewart in 1999 and having finished 2nd twice in the last three years, it is enough proof that he can play under the more brutal U.S. Open conditions. He really should have won last year - he three-putted from four-feet on the penultimate hole when leading - but having already won a major (2004 Masters), he is should be able to finish in style this year.

Padraig Harrington to win 25/1 e.w. @ SkyBet and GolfingGods ['w/o Woods, Singh, Mickelson & Els' market]
While the late Payne Stewart and Phil Mickelson finished 1st and 2nd last time the U.S. Open was at Pinehurst No.2, it is just as notable that Vijay Singh and Tiger Woods both finished 3rd. Unlike the toughest U.S. Open which can throw up rogue contenders, there was a very high quality look to the leaderboard in 1999 and it is expected to be the same this year. That makes this market particularly attractive for backing players who have yet to win a major and are more prone to being placed than seizing the opportunity to win. And, of course, there is the necessity of a good short game. So who better than Harrington who ranks 1st in scrambling on the European Tour and won the Honda Classic in March. He didn't qualify for this event in 1999, but has played every other year since 1997, with a worst finish of 32nd since 1998 and three top-10 finishes in his last five U.S. Opens. Likely to be Europe's top player on this type of course.

Nick O'Hern to win 60/1 e.w. @ GolfingGods ['w/o Woods, Singh, Mickelson & Els' market]
Similar story here. A player who manages to get himself into contention on an almost weekly basis and frustrate anyone backing him each-way. In his last two PGA Tour events, he has finished 9th and 6th - and importantly, ranking 1st in scrambling - and in his last two European Tour events, he has finished 5th and 3rd (despite a third round 76). This will be his U.S. Open debut so an outright victory is certainly out of the equation, but he stands a very good chance of at least being placed in this type of market.
 

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OUTRIGHTS:

Phil Mickelson(10/1) e.w.
- - His name belongs on the trophy.

Chris DiMarco(50/1) e.w.
- - He's acquired quite an understanding of exactly what's required.

Tiger Woods(+500) Win Only
- - My own form of insurance.

K.J. Choi(80/1) e.w.
- - The choice of a mighty fine friend, recently departed.

Nick O'Hern(60/1) e.w. w/out Woods, Singh, Els and Mickelson
- - What will good old Nick O'Hern do next?

What will LIA do next . . .

GL

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"Pinehurst is so different than any other U.S. Open (venue) because it so much more relies on short game than pure ball striking." ~ Tiger Woods

"I absolutely love Pinehurst, it's the short-game paradise. I love to see the iron shots come onto the green and dribble off. And you see the guys think, 'Now what do I do? It's a great test, and it'll come down to who scrambles the best." ~ Dave Pelz

"Around there, every shot is a different deal. You can try about any shot you want. Some of them will work, some of them won't." ~ Scott Verplank

"I look at these greens and I scratch my head. The movement is magical. You try to grasp it, to put those dimensions in your mind. They're so distinct. It's symphonic." ~ Ben Crenshaw (1999)

"From tee to green this golf course is fairly simple. This course around the greens is very complicated. It's extremely tough chipping and putting." ~ Tiger Woods (1999)

"I think it's nice to have new challenges, courses we're not accustomed to. You're going to have to be precise. Every player is going to miss some greens. So you're going to have to recover. You're going to have a lot of options, and you're going to have to be creative." ~ David Duval (1999)
 

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Took more bad beats last week than a red headed stepchild :cursin:

Luke Donald 17/1 EW without Woods, Mickelson, Els and Singh @ GolfingGods
 

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I'm interested in a prop one of my books put up:

Will Davis love make the cut...NO=+270

Seems to be worth a shot...any thoughts. Thanks.
 

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Play the w/o big 4 market at GG, 1pt e/w

Tim Clark at 50/1 (believe bigger elsewhere but on limited time this week)
Robert Allenby at 80/1
Maruyama at 40/1.

Will prob have a play on Mick at the generally available 9/1 and got this sneaky feeling for Peter Hanson (yep I'm a fan) as top european at 66/1 e/w.
 

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Joe Ogilvie 40-1 place top 5 golfing gods 1 unit

Geoff Ogilvy 210-1 win only 1 unit WSEX

1/2 unit e.w Hamilton 250-1
M. Campbell 200-1

1/4 unit e.w Pavin 400-1

2 units win only Mickelson 10-1 Bet 365
 

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interesting thought on DL3 cantona...156 golfers and only top 60 make the cut..less than 40%...DL played well last week, but certainly hasn't been on the top of his game in a while -- i kind of like this play.
 

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Kelly to miss cut 58 to win 50.
Mickelson ov Singh 63 to win 50.
Mickelson ov Els 58 to win 50
Goosen ov Els 50 to win 57.
Toms ov Garcia 55 to win 50
Leonard ov Lehman 68 to win 50
 

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Phar lap or anyone else.

Can I get an opinion on taking O' Hern in this matchup?

2005 US Open - 1st Round 3-Balls
N O'Hern +137
D Howell +162
T Purdy +225

Also, how about O'Hern as the top Australian with these odds?

2005 US Open - Top Australian
A Scott +300
S Appleby +600
N O'Hern +750
R Pampling +800
R Allenby +800
P Lonard +800
G Ogilvy +800
R Green +1400
C Parry +1400
S Elkington +1800
M Hensby +1800
S Conran +3300
S Allan +4000
E Walters +5000

IS
 

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Adding . . .


Outrights:

Davis Love(33/1)(1/4 for 1-2-3-4) e.w. for 1st Round Leader @ Bet365
Nick O'Hern(+750)(1/4 for 1-2-3) e.w. for Top Australian @ GolfingGods
Nick Price(80/1)(1/4 for 1-2-3-4) e.w. for 1st Round Leader @ Bet365


Matchups and Propositions:


Winning Score of 280 and Over(+200) @ GolfingGods
Love(+134) over Weir/Bjorn (1st Round) @ 5dimes
Mickelson(-115) over Els (Tournament) @ Infinity
Maggert(-110) over Weir (Tournament) @ 5dimes
DiMarco(+105) over Donald (Tournament) @ 5dimes
M.Campbell(-115) over Casey (Tournament) @ 5dimes


GL
 

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InSpades...not that I have a mortgage on knowledge of Aussie golfers but here's my thoughts for what its worth.

I like O'Hern. He's very consistent, and in top form. In the 3-ball, you would think that he is a deserved favourite. My problem with 18 hole plays these days is that one slip up and you can really be behind the 8-ball. So I prefer to play 72 hole plays mainly now where the form has a chance to emerge more. However, the odds do seem fair enough.

For the top Aussie....you could probably put a line thru 4 or 5 of them as being serious contenders (Walters, Allan, Conran, and perhaps even Hensby and Green in my opinion (Hensby isnt in good form and I dont like Green on this course)), so that leaves you with only 9 or 10 in contention. Given this, and O'Hern's form, +750 looks a good price, especially given its each way for top 3. I dont like the +300 for Scott....he has a poor record at the majors really. (just noticed LIA has O'Hern in the top Aussie market....thats a good lead).
 
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