UFC 90: 10/25/08 -- Allstate Arena, Chicago

[The Sponge]

GSP vs. Anderson......what an unbelievable fight that would be.....that bad boy would hit 1.5 million PPV's easily.....holy crap:scared[/QUOTE]

I really don't wanna see this fight just yet or a Penn GSP fight. Penn is screwing up the whole division going after GSP. I like to see Penn go thru the 155 before a fight like this. Now with GSP it is gonna be a hold up in his division because of this. Fight at one weight or the other. The sport is still young to be moving guys around like this. MOve around if there is no competition but Penn has a lot of competition at 155. Love to see him and Florian go at it. Love to see GSP and Swick go at it at 170. This is holding a lot of stuff up with the two of them fighting. as for GSP and Silva. To me it is to much to ask with GSP. Silva is just to much for him. GSP has the speed to beat him but Silva is to good on the ground. To much size.

 

[gardenweasel]

you guys still arent getting it. this isnt a fan forum. i personally dont care at all about cote or silva really, thats not the point. i dont care abotu why the fight sucked or who is proud of what.

its about the bets. it was boring yes, but at no point did silva -600 look to be in danger. cote + 1 zillion wasnt going to win. cote has a moral victory in going 3 rounds, but there's no payouts for moral victories. a rematch would be pointless, anyone who bets cote will be donating to the books' christmas party. cote can pat himself on the back for making it to round 3, but it amounts to nothing. anything could have happened for those final 3 rounds, but again, thats rhetoric, with no basis. the cote bet never looked like a possible winner, the silva bet never looked like a possible loser. a rematch would be meaningless.

i agree with much of this...
but i enjoy discussing the fights and hearing other opinions almost as much as the gambling aspect...none of my friends or family(since my brother passed...i hope we all appreciate one another in here...i know i appreciate you guys) are interested in this stuff..

but,back on point, in all honesty,all silva`s fights in the ufc have been more about moral victories than any real chance of beating him....


he utterly owned dan henderson,franklin and nate marquardt and i personally think those guys are much better fighters than cote....

cote came to throw down...he was moving forward...silva was on the backfoot the whole fight....

cote went longer with silva than any prior ufc opponent.....and he didn`t do it in survival mode...matter of fact,he may just have laid out the blueprint for beating silva.....be aggressive..don`t let him settle in....don`t show to much respect...i think that`s something.....

at no point did he appear in danger...aside from a small cut on his eyebrow,he was pretty much unscathed...

and imo,silva was extremely concerned with cote`s hands...if not,why didn`t he own cote like he had other,more accomplished fighters?...

i think you guys are being unfair to cote...he tried to mix it up...silva was the one playing it safe....

and i`ll tell ya`...i was becoming extremely concerned with my silva inside at -400....i was beginning to wonder whether silva was going to jib and jab his way to a boring decision....re-learned a lesson going against my main tenet...


for most of us,this was a joke...a mismatch of epic proportions...a one-dimensional striker...with considerable height/reach/quickness/skill and raw talent disadvantages....

but i thought that cote came to earn his paycheck...silva seemed more interested in mystical kung-fu gestures and frankly,showmanship than getting in there and taking care of bidness...

i mean,we know how good the guy is...

what happened?...nobody knows because we can`t get inside silva`s head...

but something happened....and i`m more than willing to give cote some credit for making it a tad uncomfortable in there for silva until the injury....

just my opinion...

 

[nj]

youre a great ambassador gardenweasel, and i think you managed to sum up both sides correctly.

i was never bashing cote, and i dont think anyone else really was. all they, and i, were saying was that the fight was not competitive, and theres no point in a rematch. there are many people here who backed cote on a personal level and are proud of him, and thats fine, but let's not paint this into something it wasnt.

i enjoy interacting with many posters here on a personal level as well, espeically the boxing crew that's rooting for and helping each other, i still think its wise to separate the bettor and the fan when making comments. ultimately we are giving financial advice to each other, and to anybody lurking, so its not productive to post with emotional biases, and mislead people's wallets. part of the reason the boxing crew is so productive is we keep a cool head and stay accountable for our word. cheering cote is fine, but suggesting that he almost won and that we should in bet him in a rematch is counter-productive. there are many people here, including myself, who arent master cappers in mma, and look to each other for advice. biased posts bring down the quality of the forum.

 

[DerrickTulips]

GSP vs. Anderson......what an unbelievable fight that would be.....that bad boy would hit 1.5 million PPV's easily.....holy crap:scared

I really don't wanna see this fight just yet or a Penn GSP fight. Penn is screwing up the whole division going after GSP. I like to see Penn go thru the 155 before a fight like this. Now with GSP it is gonna be a hold up in his division because of this. Fight at one weight or the other. The sport is still young to be moving guys around like this. MOve around if there is no competition but Penn has a lot of competition at 155. Love to see him and Florian go at it. Love to see GSP and Swick go at it at 170. This is holding a lot of stuff up with the two of them fighting. as for GSP and Silva. To me it is to much to ask with GSP. Silva is just to much for him. GSP has the speed to beat him but Silva is to good on the ground. To much size.[/QUOTE]

Um BJ has.. :shrug:

 

[kickserv]

GW amd Night Jan....well said well said indeed:SIB

Although....I do hate betting on guys I can't stand...I bet on Kos and I don't like him.....hate doing that. And I can tell you, even if Diego Sanchez was fighting my ex...I wouldn't bet on Diego:mj07:


Oh and GSP is a god...not sure if anyone knew that...so thought I'd mention it:142smilie

 

[rawli007]

Forgot to mention.....

Rawli defeated kegray via submission (Anaconda choke) in rd 2 (2:42)

Submission of the night bonus went to rawli. :142smilie

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

GSP vs. Anderson......what an unbelievable fight that would be.....that bad boy would hit 1.5 million PPV's easily.....holy crap:scared

I really don't wanna see this fight just yet or a Penn GSP fight. Penn is screwing up the whole division going after GSP. I like to see Penn go thru the 155 before a fight like this. Now with GSP it is gonna be a hold up in his division because of this. Fight at one weight or the other. The sport is still young to be moving guys around like this. MOve around if there is no competition but Penn has a lot of competition at 155. Love to see him and Florian go at it. Love to see GSP and Swick go at it at 170. This is holding a lot of stuff up with the two of them fighting. as for GSP and Silva. To me it is to much to ask with GSP. Silva is just to much for him. GSP has the speed to beat him but Silva is to good on the ground. To much size.[/QUOTE]

When it all comes down to it, I can simply sum yours, and many other complaints. The UFC is out to make money and put the best fights that will generate money. I have no problem with them fighting as IMO MMA is more about bringing the best possible fights to fruition. Whether or not who has the title doesn't effect me any.

Like with Wandy being my favorite fighter. Sure I want him to capture the title, but I want him to fight quite a few guys and I'm more interested in those fights then a title fight.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

i agree with much of this...
but i enjoy discussing the fights and hearing other opinions almost as much as the gambling aspect...none of my friends or family(since my brother passed...i hope we all appreciate one another in here...i know i appreciate you guys) are interested in this stuff..

but,back on point, in all honesty,all silva`s fights in the ufc have been more about moral victories than any real chance of beating him....


he utterly owned dan henderson,franklin and nate marquardt and i personally think those guys are much better fighters than cote....

cote came to throw down...he was moving forward...silva was on the backfoot the whole fight....

cote went longer with silva than any prior ufc opponent.....and he didn`t do it in survival mode...matter of fact,he may just have laid out the blueprint for beating silva.....be aggressive..don`t let him settle in....don`t show to much respect...i think that`s something.....

at no point did he appear in danger...aside from a small cut on his eyebrow,he was pretty much unscathed...

and imo,silva was extremely concerned with cote`s hands...if not,why didn`t he own cote like he had other,more accomplished fighters?...

i think you guys are being unfair to cote...he tried to mix it up...silva was the one playing it safe....

and i`ll tell ya`...i was becoming extremely concerned with my silva inside at -400....i was beginning to wonder whether silva was going to jib and jab his way to a boring decision....re-learned a lesson going against my main tenet...


for most of us,this was a joke...a mismatch of epic proportions...a one-dimensional striker...with considerable height/reach/quickness/skill and raw talent disadvantages....

but i thought that cote came to earn his paycheck...silva seemed more interested in mystical kung-fu gestures and frankly,showmanship than getting in there and taking care of bidness...

i mean,we know how good the guy is...

what happened?...nobody knows because we can`t get inside silva`s head...

but something happened....and i`m more than willing to give cote some credit for making it a tad uncomfortable in there for silva until the injury....

just my opinion...

#1- No blueprint was shown. Sure you can argue that cote was aggressive, but he wasn't aggressive like a Chris Leben. He was moving forward, that's about it. Cote got picked apart, so I'm not sure what blueprint could've been seen.

#2- I think the harshness on Silva is being blown way out of proportion. Sure he danced a bit, and moved more then he usually does. However, have you seen all of his fights? His dancing and quick movement is what's so special about his striking. Do I think it was weird and abnormal? YES, but not as much as people are making it out to be. It's only because he didn't come out and completely destroy Cote. Show me a fight where Anderson came out and was going forward 100% of the time. Look how Henderson, Franklin, Leben, Lutter, Irvin, etc...all lost. They were the aggressers and Anderson picked them apart and then destroyed them. Simply put, wayyy too much is being put into this.

 

[gardenweasel]

i think i`m safe in saying that silva had made very little headway in doing to cote what he`d done to supposedly better more,skillful fighters in previous fights... in a much more timely fashion....

i believe that was due to his respect for cote`s punching power and his boxing acumen...apparently leben`s unskilled aggression was no problem for silva...cote`s apparently made him think twice...

picking him apart?....he was scoring sporadically.. he spent most of his time posing or avoiding cote.....cote was in fine condition with no indication that he was going anywhere at the time of the injury...thats why i was kicking the cat...

silva was winning...but picking him apart?...thats what alves was doing to koscheck...

i think you got your fights mixed up...

 

[The Sponge]

How come KIcks words are coming up like they are my words :142smilie

weasel i don't think Silva dominated Henderson. I thought Henderson dominated the first round easily and got caught with a big knee which stunned him in the second which was his ultimate demise. Strange but i thought the same thing until i watched it a few more times.

 

[rawli007]

I agree, Sponge.... Hendo showed how u beat Silva in round 1 of their fight. U put him down, pin him, and pound his ass. Hendo tried to exchange with Silva in the second round and that lead to his demise..... :sadwave: .........

Cote is out up to 8 months now w/ a torn meniscus, so I dont know who is up to bat.. Michael Bisping is supposed to film The Ultimate Fighter next season along with the winner of Franklin/Henderson... of course, Bisping will fight the coach opposite of him at the end of the season.

Now.... i think Silva wants to get in the ring again right away.. he came out of this fight without a scratch on him and no one in their right mind was impressed with his performance. I'd like to see him rematch Nate Marquardt since he has laid down the law in his last two fights, but the illegal knees/point deductions against Leites may have stalled his progression towards another title shot.....

Silva could rematch Yushin Okami, but Silva isn't interested in that fight nor is the rest of the universe... BUT that could be exactly what the UFC wants, is to give Silva another dominating victory as a tune-up for the winner of the next season of TUF. I dunno, the 185 lb division is really jacked up right now............. :shrug:

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I've always thought the WW/MW divisions were ICE thin in the UFC. The Middleweight being in worst shape then the Welterweights. I'm really not sure what the UFC can do. They can't just feed him WEC guys, they need built up. Honestly, Silva has said it over and over again that he wants to fight the best fights in the world. The big exciting-ppv buy fights. I'm not sure how he does it at MW other then fighting GSP. I'm sure GSP @ UFC 100 along with the Lesnar/Couture and Nog/Mir winner would be a great UFC card. The best fights for Anderson Silva are at Light Heavy Weight. He's got so many options there.

Silva has 5 fights left on his contract. The UFC can always re-sign him if he wants to. He wants to retire at 35 which is in 18months.

My point about him picking Cote apart isn't hard to figure out. EVERY time there was any exchange, Cote got picked apart. Twist it all you want, but you Canucks need to let it go and understand Cote never was, never has, and never will be a threat to Silva, anywhere in the octagon.

 

[gardenweasel]

fair enough...we`re all entitled to our opinions...

 

[DerrickTulips]

Ed Soares talks about Anderson Silva's fight with Patrick Cote.

On Anderson Silva's performance...

"I could tell you that if Patrick Cote?s knee wouldn?t have went out in the 3rd round, we wouldn?t even be talking about this. The gameplan was to feel him out. Everyone knows that Cote has heavy hands; even we knew that. He?s got heavy hands so Anderson wasn?t going to go in there and get into an exchange and try to land first. Hey, Patrick Cote has heavy hands and he could take a good shot. I don?t think there is too many fighters out there that would have been able to take the shots that Patrick took from Anderson Silva and keep coming."

"Anderson felt like he broke him at the end of the 2nd round when he had him in the clinch kneeing him to the ribs. He walked into the 3rd round telling his coaches, ?I got him now. I broke him!? He was planning on finishing the fight in the 3rd round; that?s what they trained for. They trained to feel him out for a round or two and try to take advantage of any opportunity. Patrick Cote was pretty good at not creating any opportunity for Anderson to capitalize on so Anderson started to enforce his game."

"He?s had such dominant performances that people just think he should just walk through people and if he doesn?t finish them in the first or second round, then they say what they want to say. You can?t control the media."

On Silva's future plans...

"Anderson still wants to fight the best. I like Patrick Cote as a person. He?s a good dude and I like him, but him being a good person has nothing to do with...I just want to see him fight the best. I?ll just leave it as that."

 

[gardenweasel]

is this guy silva`s trainer?......what`d you expect him to say?...

they broke him at the end of the second round?....

i thought cote`s knee went out attacking silva near the ropes?....

silva`s the best,but,cote gave him second thoughts...the guy admitted it...you guys need to lose the god complex...

 

[DerrickTulips]

is this guy silva`s trainer?......what`d you expect him to say?...

they broke him at the end of the second round?....

i thought cote`s knee went out attacking silva near the ropes?....

silva`s the best,but,cote gave him second thoughts...the guy admitted it...you guys need to lose the god complex...

What god compelx? He was hesitant, sure.. he fought a smart fight. The fight is 5 rounds, relax. There were 3 still to go. He landed huge shots at Cote, and those knees in the clinch were brutal.

Cote didn't hurt his knee on the ropes, he hurt it slipping on those stupid logos.

 

[rawli007]

is this guy silva`s trainer?......what`d you expect him to say?...

they broke him at the end of the second round?....

i thought cote`s knee went out attacking silva near the ropes?....

silva`s the best,but,cote gave him second thoughts...the guy admitted it...you guys need to lose the god complex...

GW.... Ed Soares is the manager of Anderson and a handful of other Brazilian fighters. He is the guy u see translating for Silva much of the time, and i think he also owns Sinister Clothing Co. (Anderson wears his shirts).

Soares has never, and will never say anything remotely negative about Silva. He would blow Anderson's nose if Silva wanted him to. :SIB

..... I dont think anyone is denying Anderson Silva was likely going on to win the fight, but he didnt show any signs of hurting Cote. NEITHER fighter did ANY damage in that fight.. 'nuff said. Cote brushed off Silva's attacks like he was throwing marshmallows at him.

:director: DTulips, we're just giving Cote his props, we're not denying Anderson is the better fighter.

 

[gardenweasel]

o.k.,guys.....i`m out...not a big deal to me....

keep in mind that you`re needlessly pissing off our canadian cohorts in here by belittling the efforts of their countrymen(and they`re basically all solid guys)......very nationalistc group....they take it personally..

"what`s that have to do with the price of tomatoes,weasel?"...

i know,just sayin`...:shrug:...but i do believe that cote was nowhere close to going anywhere and that he definitely had silva`s respect...more so than any of his other ufc opponents..

last word for me...:sadwave:

 

[DerrickTulips]

I was just curious what Cote had done to even deserve a title shot? :shrug:

 

[The Sponge]

This thread is getting like the Rampage/Ears fiasco on who won. :mj07: Can't remember Ears name for some reason. I rest my case. weasel is right