Using the Widows From 911

[IntenseOperator]

in your campaign?

Didn't think Kerry would ever stoop to something like this. Sounds like something the Right would do.

Collar a little tight?

Time for Kerry to start on his beard. Heard it's the popular thing to do this time of the year after :flush:

 

[kosar]

I/O,

What is this in reference to? I'm aware of the 9/11 widows paraded on stage at the RNC, but what is Kerry up to?

 

[IntenseOperator]

Off my radio Kosar....

They had a number of widows campaigning for Kerry today. Don't have exacts on the story.

Story was about how some are for one side and some for the other.

Maybe someone here has come across it. (Chanman)

 

[Clem D]

It's Kerry's fault they endorsed him?

 

[IntenseOperator]

just thought the whole thing is a bit ironic

these women and their situation

RNC getting ripped for doing something of the same type of thing previous

Kerry, war hero, using these women (free will and all) to fight against a supposed war mongering president

It's tough being a Liberal. You get caught in these predicaments often

BTW
Nice job of capping the Indy game Saturday Clem :clap:
I was on the same horse with you. Wish I played the F'n ML :cursin:

 

[kosar]

I never really did see anything about what you're talking about. Is there an article or whatever about this?

 

[Chanman]

Too busy@ work to f*ck the dog, but I heard there were 5-6 9/11 widows backing Kerry because they believe Bush isn't doing enough to prevent another occurrance, i.e., lsck of Immigration control, etc.

 

[gardenweasel]

the same women that were all over chris matthews and other shows trying to place blame for 9/11 on bush....

goes to show you how deeply this partisanship crevasse runs....

and i`m talking both ways.....

i have to say,it makes me a little queasy when someone uses personal loss to promote a political bent....that`s hardcore...
again,i said the knife cuts both ways...


but i`m talking about the general negative tone of this presidential race...


part of the blame lies with the clinton lynching and impeachment.....i understand why the dems are still chafed by what what done to their boy....it was ugly and unfair,imo....

....and part of it,imo,is that kerry brought much of this on himself by using his military service as the linchpin of his campaign platform....

ugly business....and the farther ahead one or the other gets,the nastier and more hysterical this thing`s gonna get...

 

[ferdville]

GW - couldn't agree more. This is the worst campaign since I have been alive. Instead of debating the real issues we have the majority of time spent on the service records of the two candidates. I realize it is a character issue to some, but wouldn't you like to hear more specifics about what each guy plans to do if re-elected? And I also agree, it goes both ways here - dem and repub.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I think that Kerry brought in Carville and Begala to work with his campaign. They may be too late. Whoever had been running it before did a piss poor job. Bush was vulnerable and Kerrys campaign blew it.

Bush was weak on the economy and Iraq. Although Kerry had some skeletons if he hammered on Iraq, he didn't with the economy. Should have stuck to those two issues instead of attacking on 20 issues including military service. If Carl was running Kerry's campaign he would have brought out Bush's Viet Nam duck but would have done so under the radar. He would have kept Kerry on the high road. Too bad.

This campaign is negative, a Bush family trademark. Kerry got bad advice early and its probably too late to recover. I don't even think the debates will help him now as Bush does not (and cannot) directly have to respond to a question. He can just give his canned speech.

Ferdville, this is the worst campaign you've seen since you've been alive. You think this is the worst campaign since Clinton/Dole huh.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

How do you run someones campaign who has nothing to offer but promises. He can't run on his 20 + record in congress or his accomplishments in privite life unless you count marrying rich widows an accomplishment.
His best chance was to shut his mouth and let Edwards do all the speaking.

He's tells every crowd what he thinks they want to hear. Since his new managers think his best chance is on economyif I were Bush I would ask him one question on economy in debates.
It would be this.

"Mr Kerry you have proposed to federalize health insurance--cut premiums on medicare recipients and give illegal alien children free health care and free schooling yet at same time promised to cut deficiet in half--would you explain to the american tax payor just how you plan to do this?"

 

[kosar]

He can't run on his 20 + record in congress or his accomplishments in privite life unless you count marrying rich widows an accomplishment.

Dogs,

Please explain what Dubya accomplished in private life.

Please explain how marrying well is any different than being a lucky sperm.

Please run down Dubya's congress voting record.

Thanks bro.

 

[dr. freeze]

Kosar:

FYI most people who are not in Congress do not have a voting record

Leadership does not require membership in Congress

If someone is in Congress/Senate, we get a gauge of how they perform by what the do there

If someone is not, we can't get that gauge

Might seem a little simple, but for those using absurd spin, it apparently is not

 

[kosar]

Kosar:

FYI most people who are not in Congress do not have a voting record

Leadership does not require membership in Congress

If someone is in Congress/Senate, we get a gauge of how they perform by what the do there

If someone is not, we can't get that gauge

Might seem a little simple, but for those using absurd spin, it apparently is not

Thanks for the info, freeze.

I agree, Clinton proved that you don't have to serve in Congress to be an effective president. Dubya proves that it works both ways. Not really the point, though.

I'm wondering, what specifically in Kerrys congressional voting record frightens you so much? I don't care to hear again about Dogs' oblique 'liberal meter', or whatever, and what Kerrys score is. I mean specifically. The lies and spin about how he voted against specific weapons systems have been clearly shown to be just that.

So tell me, what is it?

Even though you were only 4 or 5 in 1992, you may have read about how the Repuplicans tried to paint Clinton with the same 'he's sooooo liberal' brush. Funny how you didn't hear that in the 1996 campaign and Clinton's now considered to have been a moderate president.

The fact is, there is no way of knowing how 'liberal' Kerry would be, especially with a republican congress. The fact also is that Bush has taken this country backwards. He's the only known entity, as it were, and it just so happens that besides other things, his invasion of Iraq has weakened this country, made us less safe in many different ways and deserves to be fired.

If Kerry wins, and proves to be ineffective in the monumental task of cleaning up Bush's mess, then the Pubs should be able to cough up a decent candidate by 2008 and take it back.

 

[djv]

Clinton was a Conservative compared to Bush. Even with the 200 billion spent on Iraq taken away he's the second biggest spender of all time.
Bush just keeps on spending money we dont even have. He just borrows more and more against our future. My kids and some of you young folks here will get to pay the bill off. And it will cost you big time.

 

[Kdogg21]

news said a majority of the 9/11 widows want Bush out because the war with terrorism started with trying capture Osama, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. They think bush used that as a tactic to invade Iraq and after 2 1/2 years Osama still hasn't been caught

 

[djv]

Smart girls if they understand Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[Kdogg21]

exactly, but Bush forget about Osama. i really don't think they can catch him now. they have basically forgotten about Afghanastan. Bush got out a threat possibly in Saddam, but at what cost...1000 troops allready and nothing but chaos still in Iraq. If someone murdered my family and you lets say the cheif of police say you were gonna go after him, but you end up going after somebody else that hasn't laid a hand on my family, i would be a little upset too..

 

[IntenseOperator]

Nobody has forgotten about Afghanawhatever, except the news media and those that enjoy watching depressing and anti-American stories. The last time we heard some big story from there, was when the American soldier/former NFL player was killed.

I've posted this before, take it for what it's worth.

Was told by a police officer I know that another cop, of the special forces variety, served in Afghanawhatever. It is more of a seek and destroy type mission. No kid gloves on there. No hand tieing rules of engagement crap. We are kicking the shit out of them there.

They just had a special on Nova (I think) about the free elections etc.

I guess nobody else heard a recent story (I haven't read every thread in this forum, sorry) about one of the main Al Qaeda big wigs getting shot up there. Nobody in the US would have heard of the guy, but there he was Billy the Kid. They had been tracking this guy for some time, got the drop on him, he then tried to go at it with a whole unit. He's dead.

I guess only BAD NEWS is good news.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Dogs,

Please explain what Dubya accomplished in private life.

Please explain how marrying well is any different than being a lucky sperm.

Please run down Dubya's congress voting record. "

In keeping with the basics GW has managed to to own a few business's (gas and oil/professional baseball team-- owned his own home/homes--stay married to same woman--raise family-was quite charitble with his prosperity.

and I'll let you answer for Kerry---

Evidently he married for love-- as he as well as his father and his father's father have remained married to same woman throughout life. Tough nowdays especially among the wealthy.Can't see where marrying Laura advanced him monitarily nor politically. While that might not mean much to some I judge it as a a postive character trait in respect to using good judgement initially and honoring the pledge in sickness or health till death do we part.

---and again I'll let you speak for Kerry

As for as voting record--I'll go a step further 1st we have his record as president which some dislike but apparently the majority seemed to like. It appears he picked up on issues where he left off as Gov of Texas--not much flip/flopping
"In 1994, Bush was elected governor of Texas, defeating the incumbent, Ann Richards. In office he won a reputation for being able to forge bipartisan coalitions with the conservative legislature's Democrats, and won passage of changes to tort laws and the welfare, public-school, and juvenile-justice systems. His most significant setback occurred when legislative Republicans deserted his tax-system overhaul. Bush was reelected in 1998 by a landslide."

and once again I'll let you speak for Kerry