Vegas Craps - Harley Style ......

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Happy 777 Day & a Howdy to my new friends and hello to some old ones ........ I just found this board as I have landed in Vegas from Texas for a year long sabbatical to play Craps and work on sports Betting with my sabermetric algorithm

........... I want to thank all that have taken the time and patience to introduce me to the Dice Setting & Rhythm Rolling world ........ I was an RRR (Rhythm Random Roller) when I landed in Vegas a year ago for a 60 day vacation (that turned into a 7 month affair) ........
now I consider myself an evolution in progress Precision Rhythm Roller

There are approximately 295 craps tables in Vegas and my goal is to find the crap tables that are most conducive to getting HOT so if you have had a HOT craps experience, please share ....... and in the mean time, with Mad Jack's blessing, I will share my Vegas travels below .......
 
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Some things I have learned while in Vegas:

- do not eat the sushi at Harrah's Buffet :nono:
- The Freemont Buffet is a little known great secret and always comped for craps players (with a no-waiting line for comped players)
- wear chapstick everyday - I had a painful split lip for over a week where I did not even want to think about kissing any of the sweeties out here
- sidewalk chalk in the pocket does wonders for a drier dice grip
- The Captain is not a real person
- the mirrored ceiling tiles above the Tropicana tables are shatter-proof
- do not use your dice tossing hand to pick up the all stainless steal Serving spoons at the Rio Buffet - it will burn your fingertips

........ and it is HOT in Vegas right now ......... I picked up 2 nails Friday night from the construction near the NYNY parking garage entrance via the Strip that forced a flat tire as I was heading to Mike's Crapfest at Silverton last Saturday (it must have also affected my "flat" shooting at the 1 hard table at NYNY that previous evening) ......... my digital car temperature registered 118 outside but I was determined to make it to Silverton so I pulled out the black jack and other black tire tools

..... now I didn't want to get my shooting fingers too dirty, but I still wanted some good grip control on the tire tools so I put on a couple of clear latex gloves ........ those things may be great for proctology and other kinds of probing, but after a few minutes my hands were burning & as I slipped the clear gloves off, my hands looked as if they had been in water for over an hour and had already started to have skin peel around some of the wrinkles

so I thought I would try changing the tire without any gloves --- WRONG :nono: --- the black tire tools were now so HOT that I could not hold them .......... Luckily, I had some thick leather gloves in the SUV from last winter's fire wood chopping back in Texas

...... so goes the life of changing a tire in the desert ---- shopping strip center black top is hot ...... at least hotter than the Silverton crap tables :shrug: ........... and almost as HOT as the new Fire bet table at Caesars was last Sunday

There was a desert brush fire near Red Rock the other day and smoke from a Utah forest fire has the Vegas Valley putting out an air quality warning for a few days ........... not to mention the Heat warnings that includes not letting kids play outside very long or walking your dog without fitting them with doggie shoes
 

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...... and I continue to learn something everyday at the Craps tables - the other night at Bellagio, I ended up having a table all to myself about 2 AM so I got to toss the dice continuously for awhile ..... after a few bad hands, I finally got on about a 25 hand roll before the Devil showed up ........ so the stickman tossed in the other 3 dice and shoved the 5 dice back to me

WARNING - those that don't believe in requesting the "Same Dice" after 1 bounces off the table should NOT read the rest of this post

.... Kiddingly I suggested to the dealers that I sure would have liked to use those same 2 dice I just had ........ to my amazement, the Boxman and dealers said I could - IF I would have mentioned to the Stick before he mixed the other dice together

So I took this new found rule and tried it at a few other casinos to test their tolerance ........ and so far 99.5% acknowledge the rule and allow the request:

- Caesars - the dealers there do not even hesitate when you request the same dice from the previous roller
- Paris - found a HOT female random roller that was chipping the dice off the mirror on a long roll and requested her same dice and had a long roll myself
- NYNY - on this long table make sure you loudly yell the Stickperson's name as you request the same dice before they mix in the other dice quickly after the previous roll
- Luxor - no problem with the request
- Sam's Town - most of the Boxmen and dealers don't have a problem with the "Same Dice" request from the previous roller except "Randy" who told me he would "only allow it this 1 time" ....... most of the dealers there know about this rule and educate a few of the new Boxpersons that the request is allowed
 

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Congrats on your craps Harley !!

I do best in the wee hours of the morning, on a table by myself. Unfortunately, when folks hear me "carrying on", I end up with people betting at my table.

Thi screws up everything. I used to do well at the Lady Luck. However, it now sits empty.

Played a little at the Stratosphere the other day. Hit a nice "YO" bet on the come out, made a nice point, made another point,...............then a couple of dudes showed up.

My $ 88 inside , and $10 hard 4 , were soon history. Just when I had everything set up too.

Such is craps !! Good Luck !
 

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My "best kept secret" is the $ 4.95 steak special at the Ellis Island Casino. Can't beat the BBQ there either !!!

AMEN DoubleDown !!! ............ being from Texas I had to try all the less than $10. Steak specials in town & Ellis Island is the only place I repeat & usually at least once a week ...... I have not tried the BBQ there - thanks for the suggestion

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I do best in the wee hours of the morning, on a table by myself. Unfortunately, when folks hear me "carrying on", I end up with people betting at my table.

This screws up everything.
I used to do well at the Lady Luck. However, it now sits empty.

Played a little at the Stratosphere the other day. Hit a nice "YO" bet on the come out, made a nice point, made another point,...............then a couple of dudes showed up.

My $ 88 inside , and $10 hard 4 , were soon history. Just when I had everything set up too.

Such is craps !! Good Luck !

DoubleDown - I concur ......... the energy at a table can change significantly when several people buy-in while you are shooting ......... now if more than 1 person buys-in (throws the green $$$ on the table inbetween rolls) I will turn off my bets for a roll or 2

to my amazement, I found an empty $15 table at Paris last Sunday and as I started making points towards the Fire Bet, people started walking up to the table and talking, but did NOT buy-in ---- this is a RARE event ....... I try not to buy-in during a hot toll, but even I do not have 100% discipline

The Harrah's properties recently increased their Fire Bet to $10 for a $10,000. pay-off on a 6 Pointer ...... as I made 3 different points, the Suit started making comments to me :director: ........ this is the 3rd time in a week that I have seen the Paris Suits apply the Heat after a 3rd point is made on a Fire Bet ....... after I made 4 different points, the female red-headed suit went and got 3 other Suits and they all stood by me talking about what I was doing ........ I tried to zone in on my toss, but I could hear the 4 Suits talking as they stood next to me:

- "Is he hitting the back wall ?!" ... "He is"

- "Is he using the same set ?!" ....

....... and now about 6 people had gathered around the table - but no one bought in :eek:
I made another 2 points, but they were repeaters so I ended with 6 Total Points, but only 4 different Points for a $250 pay on a $10 bet .......... I could not even set a 5th different point (that would have paid $2,500.), but if I had I was ready to hedge it with a Lay Bet for $1,500. to guarantee at least some more $$

I colored up and left after my roll as about 5 others started to buy-in ......... My thanks to the great table etiquette and patience by these players !!!

DoubleDown - I also like your $88 inside play as I will take an ISR (Initial Steep Regression) to $88 inside as often as I can
 
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Some things are always changing .... and sometimes things never change ....

11 straight days of over 105 here in Vegas ..... and Vegas is offering a $500. reward to anyone reporting a graffiti vandal

NOTE - when I describe Casino employees, I often use their race as part of their description - NOT because I am being racist - but because I am being descriptive to help ID good or bad dealers that can make a difference in our gaming experience because their name tags are not always legible until it is too late, whereas words like tall, hefty, skinny, purple or green help quickly ID a person before a name does ...... the police use it, so why can't I ...... anyways I apologize to anyone I offend for not being perfectly PC

Paris Casino ...... when I start scouting for a HOT table, I first enter a casino and take a tour of all the tables taking note of how many $1 chips are in the racks ..... and at the Harrah's properties, you can see how many are betting on the Fire Bet or if there are several Fire Bet markers on the Place numbers, this can help indicate a HOT table........ 1 out of the 5 tables at Paris matched this description & looked HOT ...... but I could not get on as it was crowded elbow to elbow

Now a lot of skilled dice tossers (DIs = Dice Influencer's) like to find a table that is empty so they can shoot often ..... but I believe there is usually a reason a table is empty -- too often because the table is colder than Eleanor Rigby's left breast on a winter night in London ...... so most DIs think they can turn a cold table HOT --- and don't get me wrong, some can do that --- but more often than not, that is the exception rather than the rule

AND I fell into that overconfident trap of playing on a cold table rather than waiting PATIENTLY for a spot on the HOT table, AGAIN :(

So instead of just patiently waiting, I shot a few times at a cold table where nearly half of the bettors were playing the Don'ts ......
 

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Paris Casino (con't) ...... 99% of the Dealers at Paris are very friendly including the 3 Mikes, Ed, Patriq (Asian), Richard (older Afro-American), Curt (tall friendly blonde), Shaun, etc., ...... BUT there is 1 tall Afro-American that is a J-E-R-K of major proportions ? his name is Eric ? and Eric does not like anyone that sets the Dice, Eric starts trash talking Dice setters when you have the dice and he has a memory like an elephant ? he even refused to take my bets on 2 occasions the other day ? now I wasn't at his table by choice, but I was at a HOT table when there was a shift change and he rotated in at my end :( .......... I really wish I could make Dealer tips and exclude him from the tip pool .....

Paris also has some very nice Boxpersons like Danyelle, but some are absolutely goofy and try to take the fun out of the game like the short-haired redhead lady and the shaved head caucasion Suit ...... I again had a 3-Point Fire bet going with the boys on the line and on the Fire Bet, when a person on my end bought-in and since there was not a boxperson, but only a dedicated Suit (Pit Boss) ? the dealer had to spread the cash out in front of me and literally wait for about 3 minutes until the Pit Boss approved both the cash layout and chip count to the new player .......... the player even apologized to me as he said he did not intend to interrupt the game that much ? this was a sad tactic employed by an otherwise classy casino ?

So when you get on the 3rd point of a Fire Bet, expect any or all of the following countermeasures by the casino:

- Pit Boss starts banging his fist on the table rail
- Chip fill starts even when the chip rack is full
- Pit Boss says ?Make sure both your dice hit the back wall?
- Money buy-ins are slow with the Pit Bosses standing around watching with their thumbs up their ass whereas they could help the dealers like most other casinos do
- Pit Boss will say ?Throw the Dice? as the dice are pushed to you, even though the Stickman held the dice for over a 2 minutes in between rolls
- Stickman is ordered by the Pit Boss to hold the Dice longer in between rolls to interrupt the rhythm for no apparent reasonable reason
- Stickman "short sticks" the dice to you -- making you reach for the dice instead of putting them right in front of you

now don't get me wrong, Paris is a whole lot better than it was last summer and fall ? but it is still not as overall friendly as Caesars and other casinos

So I finally squeezed onto the adjacent HOT table where a random roller was chunking the dice hard - bouncing them hard off the mirror and chip stacks, yet he had made at least 8 points in over 30 minutes of tossing - including 4 different Fire Points (but NO ONE was on the Fire Bet) ....... I quickly placed bets on the even numbers with $25 on each the 4 & 10 and before long I had power pressed the 4 up to $300. and the 10 to $100.

...... the Roller continued his progress towards making the 6 different Fire Bet Points & the Boxman reminded everyone on the table that they just missed making $10,000. each .......... Finally the "Devil" showed up just after a bettor had made a $2,000 payout on a Hard 6 hit

About half the table colored up each with over $5,000. and 1 guy getting over $10,000. pushed backed to him ......... they then changed the dice (it was already past the 7:00 PM dice change time anyway) and 1 trip around the table and not a single person made 1 point ............ nothing like playing with good old dice !!!
 
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Under the category of some things change:

Casino Royale:
1.The sit down mini-tub is gone :( it was sacrificed to make room for the large round Wheel of Fortune game
2.Harrah's has been trying to buy the Casino Royale for years from a closely held family ownership ? the old man has said no for years, but some of that Harrah's influence must have rubbed off on the Craps tables as they are now just as bouncy as the Flamingo tables ? green felt, but the underlining is as cushiony as Rosie O'Donnell's too soft hiney ....... these once favored tables are gone
3.Check-in time has changed from 12:01 AM to noon ? the Casino Royale used to boast the earliest check-in times on the strip, but no longer

7/11 --- great day at the Craps tables with winning sessions at 3 different casinos ...... again the key was finding the HOT table as there was only 1 HOT table at each casino which each had 2 open .......... Paris on this Wednesday opened their 2nd table at 10:00 AM and although it was choppy with just a little bit of warming now & then, I was on my 3rd Fire Bet in just under 15 days --- all 4 spots, but this time I laid the 5th point (the 10) for $400. and it paid me $200. ...... 1 guy claimed he had put $1 on the Fire Bet, but somehow it got lost during the long hand ....... they called the eye-in-the-sky to verify his bet and quickly paid him
 

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long read ... but a must read:

July 14, 2007

Win big or small, casinos ask more questions


By Liz Benston <benston@lasvegassun.com>
Las Vegas Sun

Let's say you get lucky at craps - you're up by more than $5,000 - and you decide to cash out.

But the casino says not so fast, Charlie. You're going to have to fill out this form for the IRS. Oh, and we're going to need your Social Security number, too.

That's what gamblers are discovering this month as new federal rules take effect to crack down on money laundering and keep track of big winnings.

Some gamblers say casinos are getting nosier than ever - maybe too nosy - into their affairs, on behalf of Uncle Sam.

And what was supposed to be little more than a brief administrative headache for casinos - and virtually undetectable to gamblers - is causing tension between cautious cash handlers and players.

"I'm starting to get questioned over small amounts of money," said Patrick Reznak, a Las Vegas resident who recently bumped up against the rule. "What are they going to do, turn me over to the IRS?"

Like many gamblers, Reznak knows that casinos are required to seek identification for transactions of $10,000 or more. But this month, a casino wanted his identification before he could cash out his $3,500 - presumably because by day's end he might have reached that $10,000 threshold.

Casinos have been subject to federal cash-reporting rules - normally applied to banks and other big cash-handling institutions - for decades. But the process got more serious for Nevada casinos in the mid-1980s, when the state adopted guidelines to mirror, and some would say, improve on, federal cash-reporting rules.

Until this month, Nevada was exempt from so-called Title 31 federal reporting rules because the state rule, called Regulation 6A, was sufficient in the eyes of the feds. Cash transactions of $10,000 or more were reported to the state, then passed on to an Internal Revenue Service database center in Detroit. Nevada also prohibited cash-for-cash, cash-for-check and cash-for-wire transactions of $3,000 or more - the kinds of transactions typically employed by money launderers .

After Congress passed the Patriot Act, the Treasury Department accelerated plans to implement new rules governing so-called suspicious transactions.

Nevada, which already had a suspicious-activity rule for casinos, initially wanted to remain in charge of tracking big cash transactions, but the federal government prevailed. State regulators decided that was OK, because state money and resources were freed up for other matters.

During the past few months casino employees across the state have been trained in the new federal guidelines. Casinos outside of Nevada had been following the federal reporting rules for years.

But those rules have some peculiarities that are more than a little annoying for Nevada casinos.

For one thing, about 135 smaller casinos previously exempt from Nevada's cash-handling rules now have to comply under the federal system, which applies to all casinos that generate at least $1 million in revenue per year , rather $10 million under Nevada's threshold. Unlike most big casinos, these small to midsize casinos (which include more - profitable slot bars) don't have a staff person, let alone a team, specializing in cash reporting compliance.

The problem may be compounded for bigger players at larger casinos. Unlike Nevada's old rules, under which a player's activity needed to be recorded only if he cashed out $10,000 or more at any one time, the feds now want player transactions tracked all day long because of the possibility that, by day's end, the aggregate amount may eclipse $10,000.

It's a task that may have been impossible before recent advancements in player tracking software and is now merely difficult: keeping tabs on the player who cashes out smaller chunks of cash at various games - whether bingo, blackjack, baccarat or a Betty Boop slot machine - but exceeds the threshold overall. Woe to the casino that receives a federal audit for letting slip a player who cashed out for more than $10,000 over 24 hours.

"Title 31 was originally written for Atlantic City-type casinos inside four square walls. Here, under one hotel roof , you may have four or five different casinos and players moving from one area to another," said Paul Larsen, a Las Vegas attorney who represents Strip casinos and specializes in cash handling regulations. "It becomes quite a task to track their play."

It's also a heck of a way to launder money. But locals such as Larsen say that's not the point. Although the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, which oversees cash reporting by businesses nationwide, has invoked the specter of terrorist money-laundering operations post 9/11, casino executives think other motives are at play.

Untaxed gambling winnings have long been a thorn in the side of the IRS. What better way to capture a piece of those billions of dollars than to document winnings? The federal rules, after all, don't specifically prohibit any classic money-laundering type of transaction , as Nevada's old rules did.

The feds also more loosely define "suspicious activity."

That means casinos - fearing government audits - may choose to be more aggressive in collecting information for the IRS' benefit.

Which brings us to our craps player's Social Security number.


The federal reporting form reserves a space for a Social Security number. Nevada previously required casino workers to attempt to secure the number , but the customer had the right to refuse.

Under the new federal rule, the customer is required to disclose his Social Security number if he hopes to cash out more than $10,000 - in one transaction or multiple ones - by day's end.

That means gamblers who were rarely, if ever, asked for the number are being more frequently asked for it - maybe several times a day at that, as they cash out in different parts of the casino.

A gambler who refuses to disclose his Social Security number because he is cashing out less than $10,000 can be written up in a "suspicious activity" report that goes to the IRS - and not know it, because casinos are prohibited from disclosing when such reports are filed.

"The player may think he's being very clever (by refusing) when he's really shooting himself in the foot," Larsen said.

Reznak, who was asked for his Social Security number when trying to cash out his $3,500, said he balked - and then rattled off a phony number with a laugh and a smile.

A cat and mouse game ensued - but he got his money in the end.

"I asked the (casino worker), 'Do I look suspicious to you?' She said, 'Not at all.' "

Like many other gamblers, Reznak prefers to fly under the radar, refusing the personal information requested by casinos for marketing purposes and avoiding player tracking systems.

Collecting information for the IRS may not be such a bad thing for casinos, which already collect personal and financial details on their loyal players. Unless, of course, it starts to deter gamblers from gambling.


Nevada casinos, once a business as private as a confessional, have begun a new chapter in corporate compliance.
 
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Can't believe Casino Royale did away with the mini craps game! Fukcers! Was out there for 2 weeks in Feb. for the Super Bowl and we stayed at Harrahs but spent the majority of our time at Royale playing Blackjack Switch and the sit down craps till the wee hours of the morn. Got slaughtered at almost every place we played dice, with the exception of Ballys. Got on a nice roll there and dealers and Pit were very helpful to the players.
 

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^5 Agent 0659 !!

...... a few sprinkles today ended 97 days of ZERO rain in Las Vegas (the 23rd longest drought in Vegas history) which brings me to my next topic -

Incidents that Ruin a Roll:

Recently at Bellagio, I correctly called "Off" my bets as a roller threw the Devil (7) to end a long hot roll. What led to my lucky prediction was a simple calculation - any time 2 of the following indicators happen before the next roll, then turn them off a roll or 2:

- New green money is thrown on the table - a buy-in during a roll
- Roller hesitates his throw for whatever reason - messing up his rolling rhythm
- Stickman change (usually done every 20 minutes)
- Boxman change
- Boxman, another dealer or customer questions the amount of a payout after a toss
- person leaves table on a restroom break
- waitress approaches the table and loudy asks for drinks (especially if a waitress delivers a drink to the roller)
- adjacent table erupts with loud cheers
- player colors-up during a roll
- LATE bets (after the dice is handed to the roller)
- the roll immediately after a Point is established
- the Stickman pushes the dice back to you with the 7 showing
- the Stickman brings the dice back to the center of the table after a roll and they show the 7 a long time
- a red-headed lady walks up to the table during the middle of a hot roll
- Dice bounces off the table
- Stickman starts pretending he will hit the dice with his stick
- dealer or boxman starts pounding his fist on the table rail
- dealer or stickman starts talking excessively to the roller
- the roller receives a cell phone call during his roll
- 2 crap numbers (2,3,11,12) are thrown in a row (or 3 craps in last 5 rolls)
- at least 1 player starts betting "Don't Come" during middle of a roll
- roller turns off his own bets
- Pit Boss, Boxman or dealer scolds the Roller with a "make sure both dice hit the back wall"

.... it's my brief experience that any 1 of the above will end a roll only about 20% of the time - therefore, turning your bets off for just 1 of these incidents will usually not mathematically save you since you will still make money on about 4 out of 5 rolls that the Devil does not show up.

However, it is my opinion that if 2 or more of the above happen before one roll of the dice, then there is about an 80% chance the devil will show up - thus making it mathematically better to turn off your bets for a roll or 2 after the combined incidents ........ it's not that I am superstitious that the above list cause the Devil to show his ugly head at the wrong time, but as Yogi Berra said, "The game is 90% mental" and 2 too many incidents can interrupt the mental energy of a very rhythmic game

(please list any other incidents that bring on the Devil and I will add it to the List)
 
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^5 Agent 0659 !!

...... a few sprinkles today ended 97 days of ZERO rain in Las Vegas (the 23rd longest drought in Vegas history) which brings me to my next topic -

Incidents that Ruin a Roll:

Recently at Bellagio, I correctly called "Off" my bets as a roller threw the Devil (7) to end a long hot roll. What led to my lucky prediction was a simple calculation - any time 2 of the following indicators happen before the next roll, then turn them off a roll or 2:

- New green money is thrown on the table - a buy-in during a roll
- Roller hesitates his throw for whatever reason - messing up his rolling rhythm
- Stickman change (usually done every 20 minutes)
- Boxman change
- Boxman, another dealer or customer questions the amount of a payout after a toss
- person leaves table on a restroom break
- waitress approaches the table and loudy asks for drinks (especially if a waitress delivers a drink to the roller)
- adjacent table erupts with loud cheers
- player colors-up during a roll
- LATE bets (after the dice is handed to the roller)
- the roll immediately after a Point is established
- the Stickman pushes the dice back to you with the 7 showing
- the Stickman brings the dice back to the center of the table after a roll and they show the 7 a long time
- a red-headed lady walks up to the table during the middle of a hot roll
- Dice bounces off the table
- Stickman starts pretending he will hit the dice with his stick
- dealer or boxman starts pounding his fist on the table rail
- dealer or stickman starts talking excessively to the roller
- the roller receives a cell phone call during his roll
- 2 crap numbers (2,3,11,12) are thrown in a row (or 3 craps in last 5 rolls)
- at least 1 player starts betting "Don't Come" during middle of a roll
- roller turns off his own bets

.... it's my brief experience that any 1 of the above will end a roll only about 20% of the time - therefore, turning your bets off for just 1 of these incidents will usually not mathematically save you since you will still make money on about 4 out of 5 rolls that the Devil does not show up.

However, it is my opinion that if 2 or more of the above happen before one roll of the dice, then there is about an 80% chance the devil will show up - thus making it mathematically better to turn off your bets for a roll or 2 after the combined incidents ........ it's not that I am superstitious that the above list cause the Devil to show his ugly head at the wrong time, but as Yogi Berra said, "The game is 90% mental" and 2 too many incidents can interrupt the mental energy of a very rhythmic game

(please list any other incidents that bring on the Devil and I will add it to the List)


You are dead on with all indicators! You should see my buddy keep the waitress miles from me while we play. They fukc me up EVERYtime!

Never heard of the red head think though?:shrug:
 

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You are dead on with all indicators! You should see my buddy keep the waitress miles from me while we play. They fukc me up EVERYtime!

Never heard of the red head thing though? :shrug:

... well I guess the red-head thing can be best explained by Kramer on the MoJo Forum:

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....... and the red-head thing may only react adversely with me ....... and it can actually be a true red-headed guy or girl - but when they walk up to a table, they bring a burst of energy that momentarily upsets the energy .... after they get into the game, the energy may again stabilize ....... but it's that initial surge of overwhelming energy from their presence that reminds me of my buddy talking about certain nights with his fiery red-head :mj16:

..... just my opinion

now let me warn you that I have a few wild red hairs in my beard & I too often see the Devil show up as I approach a delicate table :nooo:
 

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Actress first celeb dealer for Playboy

Jenny McCarthy will be the first celebrity dealer at Palm?s Playboy Club

Blackjack players at the Palms? new Playboy Club will have interesting choices next weekend: hit, stand or fawn all over the dealer.

On Saturday, August 4, actress and former Playmate Jenny McCarthy will become the first-ever celebrity Bunny Dealer at the new Playboy Club atop the Palms? Fantasy Tower.

McCarthy will get back into Playboy Bunny uniform ? the black leotard complete with cottontail, cuffs and collar ? and deal blackjack from one of the club?s 10 tables.

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Looks like fun ...... shame that the PlayBoy Casino does NOT have craps tables :(
 
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I like to live by the old saying "Live & Let Live" and most things other people do just rolls off my sleeve ..... daymit - this is America and you should be able to do what you want to do ......... unless you are an idiot and interfere with other people's rights and monies

and this includes common sense at the craps tables:

This past weekend, a young lady walked up to teh Bellagio craps table and quietly watches for a few minutes then asks a few questions about how to play - indicating that she was a pure novice ........... she watches 3 rolls by 3 different shooters then says "Every time the dice hit a stack of chips, the 7 comes up !!"

now I know it doesn't happen every time, but it happens enough that why would you even want to tempt the dice to roll to a 7 during a good roll ??!!! .... even a novice can notice this, yet if never fails that someone will still put a pass line bet and a stack of odds

These people that stack their odds behind the pass line are quick to point out that they may be getting a ~ 4% better return on their investment ......... excuse me - please explain to me how 4% of ZERO is better than losing $500. spread on your Pass Line & across the Box numbers ??!!

getting greedy can be costly -- take the safer route and protect the LANDING ZONE --- this is the area where a Rhythm roller tosses his/her dice roll after roll ........ as a player at a table, it is not only your responsibility but duty as a prudent player to protect at least your investments on the table

why set up land mines (chips) that can blow up your investments on the table -- put your bets up on the numbers .... consider the reduction in true odds on your investment as an insurance cost

........ this is the very reason I enjoy playing at Bellagio and Caesars on the weekends while novice tourists (my buddy calls them idiots) are overcrowding the cheaper tables on the strips & Local Loonies are boozing it up at the local casinos ... at any given time more than half of the players at the more expensive tables are seasoned players that understand how delicate dice can be and that Place Line chips & Odds will all too often interrupt a good roll ......... it is then that I ask these smart mathematicians what their ROI is when the Devil shows up after hitting their stack of odds

on the other hand, it is usually a very pleasant joy to walk up to a table of informed players and admire the courtesy (and smarts) they share with the table by not placing Pass Line bets when the dice are being thrown in their direction :00hour

it was absolutely amazing how astute this young lady at the Bellagio table was just after 3 rolls while this rich idiot kept placing his stack of odds right in the path of the dice ....... he was the only one on the whole table playing the Pass Line when dice were being tossed in his direction ........ some people have more $$ than sense

Moral of this cyber space lesson = Craps is a Live game and tons of mathematical theory will too often lose to common sense ...... or sometimes an ounce of common sense is worth a better ROI

......... so what do you want to be when you walk up to a craps table -- be an idiot crazed tourist Placing land mines that can blow up your investments or someone with a little table savvy that will take a discount on his earnings in the name of insurance and a little common sense ;)
 
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I play the line heavy if I'm stuck in the middle next to the stick, that isn't going to hurt anyone. However, I think you are giving the average roller a little too much credit. How many people can actually manipulate the dice to help them self at all, 1/500?

I mean yea, if I am at a table where people know what the fukc is going on I will abide, but that is dam rare!
 

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Agent - that can be frustrating ........... I also agree that if you are near the "Stick" then you can bet away on the Pass Line with full odds without too much worry .. or if the dice are being thrown to the other end

..... and you are right that I do not worry too much about the average tourist player. However, in Vegas I would dare to bet that about 80% of the tables I play on will have anywhere from 1 to 4 players that will have some kind of consistent Rhythm rolling ........ this means they are basically throwing to the same spot or their LANDING ZONE is pretty constant ....... it is these 1 to 4 Rhythm or Advantage players of the total 14 to 16 players at a table that will have the better chances of having a hot roll in my opinion (and Griffin Investigations agrees with me -- see http://www.griffininvestigations.com/gold_login.html )

In my opinion, there are 2 characteristics that are common to most longer hands:

1. Consistent Toss and
2. Dice are held and set the same when tossed

...... but again that is just my opinion
 
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