wagerweb has got a lot of nerve....

[AR182]

i just came home from being out all day.....

i checked my messages & there was a pre-recorded message from a tout talking about my wagerweb account & telling me to sign up with him for the baseball & basketball season....

this pre-recorded message was so amateurish (talking too fast & gobbling his words) that if i wasn't so pissed that wagerweb gave out my phone number, it would be comical.....

i'm going to call ww first thing in the am & tell them to cancel my account & ask them not to give out my phone # again.......i will never do business with them again.....

these books like ww & betroyal should know that by them keep e-mailing me or sending me mail about their book is having the opposite effect that it's intended.........

these books should know about their clientelle (sp ?) & learn something about marketing..... they are just wasting their money....

 

[countinguy]

AR

completely agree w/it. The best books out there don't send u anything in the mail, except for what u r requesting. I have never tolerated a book calling me on a phone for anything, if they do they are gone, there is just too many more out there, to put up w/the chit. And I really don't want all the email bs either, but that is easier to handle than the other 2 above things.

Something these books need to realize is some of their valuable customers do not, and I mean DO NOT want their wives and girlfriends to know what they doing from their offices. Think about it u morons!!!

Ok vent out for me, hopefully a couple of them w/learn something from my comments.

 

[AR182]

thanks for responding countinguy.....

i just got off the phone with ww.....i spoke to camille who claims she is a supervisor in customer service.......

i told her what happened & she apologized for the phone call but she said that they have touts that work for them & the tout service is part of the wagerweb company.....

i couldn't believe what she was saying so i asked her to repeat what she just told me...& again she said that wagerweb has a tout service.....

this really angered me.....i told her to remove my name from their mailing list, e-mail list & phone list (my tele. # is unlisted) & to erase my account # (don't know if she could do this) with their company.....

i told camille that i will never do business with her company again....

i will spend the next couple of days contacting other books to make sure that we are on the same page....i don't want any mail from them & definitely don't want anybody calling me.....

 

[gman2]

ar:

cant say im surprised. this is the same book that was promoting the fact that they were offering odds for the ongoing duke rape scandal. jack should be ashamed to have these guys as a sponsor. one thing i can guarantee you is that wagerweb will never see any action from me ... ever.

 

[MadJack]

ar182, i had no idea and sorry to hear they pulled that crap on you. i doubt there's anything i can do but i'll be looking into it that's for sure. they have asked me in the past (as have other books) to let them post articles about their touts and post banners and i don't and won't.

no, gman, i'm not ashamed to take advertising money from them. they pay me and they pay the players! so, sorry!

maybe YOU should be ashamed for taking money from people for your picks, tout!

and one thing i can guarantee you is that gman will never see me paying for his picks.....ever.

 

[MadJack]

and, yes, gman, i took offense at your smart-assed comment and i'm tired of the cheap shot taking i get from you.

we used to ge along just fine when you posted here and i always protected you from the guys that kept coming in claiming you stiffed them, but as soon as i turned you down for letting you use this forum to promote your tout picks you changed.

i'm sick of it.

sorry for screwing your thread up, ar182.

 

[AR182]

ar182, i had no idea and sorry to hear they pulled that crap on you. i doubt there's anything i can do but i'll be looking into it that's for sure. they have asked me in the past (as have other books) to let them post articles about their touts and post banners and i don't and won't.

no, gman, i'm not ashamed to take advertising money from them. they pay me and they pay the players! so, sorry!

maybe YOU should be ashamed for taking money from people for your picks, tout!

and one thing i can guarantee you is that gman will never see me paying for his picks.....ever.

jack.....

you don't have to apologize to me for what wagerweb did....you have nothing to do with it.....

the message just pissed me off.....there is a reason why people have unlisted numbers....

i'm also very surprised that ww has a tout service.....do other books have this also ?

books should have, as part of the application process a question about them or their affiliates being able to call their customers.....

gman.....

thanks for responding to my post.....

but as long as a book pays it's customers on time & there are no complaints against them, jack should not be ashamed of taking advertising money from wagerweb or any other book.....

and business is business.....although a book takes odds on such a horrible charge, while it's bad taste in my opinion, that wouldn't stop me from doing business with that book....

and a side note....

i read message boards quite often during the off season from football & compared to some of the other forums, jack, i.e., & the regular madjack's posters should feel very good about how we/they conduct themselves on the forum.......

 

[MadJack]

ar182, i'd be pissed too. matter of fact, i AM pissed. they shouldn't ever have touts call your house nor should they call your house themselves. they should get permission first, no doubt.

thanks for sharing

 

[gman2]

jack:

what you posted is beyond unprofessional. please don't think you'll get me to stoop to that level. to even cross reference my business is something id never expect from a guy running a first-class website like this. i put my heart and soul into running things the 'right' way, and it has been and will always be that way.

you have to understand - you have a forum section exclusively devoted to sportsbooks and with the good there is going to be bad.

what wagerweb is doing is very mickey mouse.

i want you to do a search full search of every post ive ever made in the sportsbooks section.

because when you do, you will find that i am ALWAYS one of the first ones to say what a great sponsor bet jamaica is. i routinely go out of my way to make posts in this forum when people ask about those guys. because they DESERVE the business. i also make it a point to say what great customer service carib has. those are books that you should be PROUD to have on your list. and to even put a book like wagerweb next to top-notch books like carib and bet jamaica is, quite honestly, an insult to carib and bet jamaica -- two books who do things the RIGHT WAY. im sorry if i find it repulsive that books want to offer betting on rape trials.

i guess to me, everything isn't always about the "last dollar". its about running an operation with class and integrity.

im not doubting that they do pay. but there is more to running a first-class business than just the end result.

 

[MadJack]

gman, i'm not going to do any "full search" of anything as i don't have the time, nor do i have the time to mess with a guy that throws insults at me when the opportunity arises.

you wouldn't let anybody come into your house or your place of business and insult you and i'm not having it here either.

i was just letting you know i don't appreciate the insults and i'm not going to tolerate them from you or anybody else.

thanks,

jack@madjacksports.com

 

[gman2]

i should also mention that carib and bet jamaica certainly arent the only ones who do things the right way. but i singled them out because i have made posts in this section in the past where i gave them a strong recommendation to fellow members who asked if they were good books.

hopefully, everyone did enough of a part to have those guys click through on your banners to give you credit for referrals to those top-notch books.

there are plenty of other good ones on your list.

but like i said, just because wagerweb pays your bills doesnt mean that your forum members have to agree with your opinion that they are a good book. you know very well you wouldnt see that kind of nonsense from a bet jamaica, pinnacle, or olympic.

im not quite sure what your deal is with my service either. i know its hard to believe, but there are actually guys like fletcher and myself who are committed to doing things the RIGHT way. and im pretty sure that neither he nor i would ever even remotely consider bothering someone in the way these touts from WW are doing. those are the true scum of the industry. maybe you took that shot at me in retaliation for what i said about WW. but it was a questionable shot nonetheless.

like i said man, i am always the first one to bump threads for your sponsors when they deserve it. and a lot of them have definitely deserved it in the past. but i dont agree with wager web's way of doing things, and i felt obligated to say as much.
maybe i shouldnt have been as vociferous about it, but i would much rather see guys click through on your banners for bet jamaica, carib, olympic than a WW banner. because being first-class all the way around does matter in the end.

have a good one my friend.

 

[countinguy]

Gman u are not even close to same level as Fletcher is, so quit comparing urself to him. Fletcher would never go into all the different forums criticizing people on their picks or criticizing them for bumping their threads up. Dude u r not holier than thou, even though u think u r. Just lighten up and stick w/your handicapping and quit insulting other people. Nobody wants to hear from a know it all in their threads and that is way u come across.

Maybe u and Nick Douglas (btw, I like Nick) should write a book together and sit around correcting each other all nite.

 

[gman2]

countinguy:

youre certainly entitled to your opinion. however, ive got nothing but respect for you my man. whether or not you like me, though, is not the issue. this is a thread about wagerweb and their way of doing things. i dont believe in the service practice of calling people at their homes or trying to sell stuff to people ... ever. i really believe there's something to be said for doing things the right way, and that is what i choose to do.

and because of that, i'd rather associate with books who do things the right way as well.

jack has plenty of good sponsors here who should be getting the majority of the click-throughs. id say that a rough estimate is that of the 39 'preferred books' here, 34-36 are very solid books. and id rather jack get the referrals for guys playing there as opposed to a book like WW.

 

[THE HITMAN]

Likewise, I would strongly condider closing my account with any book that calls me for anything other than an important piece of business. When I open, I make this clear to all of them. I also make it clear to any bank or financial institution that I open with. I have closed out on two of them in the past couple of years for repeatedly not heeding my request.
And, no, I don't have anything to hide from my wife or family..........they all know I have a good time with my chosen hobby and they also know that I am , unlike a lot of others from what I gather, one that keeps it under total conrtol. However, I am a rather private person, my wife works odd hours and sleeps non conventionally sometimes............but most of all, I just don't want to be bothered. If I want a service or additional service, I will ask for it. Geez, the gov't here just got done banning nuisance sales calls. Anyway, just my .02 worth.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Just reading and can certainly understand your disgust AR. Very unprofessional and defies logic--who would pay a tout that works for same org than books the bet. Could never understand anyone paying any tout as far as that goes--know some pretty good cappers, however in minority sports, that are very good and unanimously as result neverhad to sell their plays--if fact a couple wouldn't make most their plays public at all.
back to WW. I know a compiler (a straight shooter)thats sets some lines there and at Hollywood and will dig a little deeper into this tout issue AR. Will report to jack and have him forward to you.
I do business at WW mainly because they offer very unique golf props not offered other places except HW. Have had very good service from them but appears they need to have someone have speak to them on proffesionalism--what they pulled on AR is unexcusable and unexceptable---would be best for them to realize that as soon as possible.