In my opinion Kurt Warner is on the way down. Defensive co-ordinators are sending pressure up the middle using stunts and blitzes that are disrupting his timing. Unlike many other great QB's Warner relies on timing and accuracy, he's not good outside the pocket,even though he is mobile because he can't read the entire defense on the run. Granted if he has tim he's the best in the league, but a good defensive team will not give him time. Rams are exactly like the Florida Gators fast wide receivers that dominate mediocre competition and then lose to aggresive hard hitting defenses. Rams lost to Saints, Bucs and almost Giants, Gators lost to Vols, Tigers, but the Public always look at the games in which they rack up points on weak teams like the Rams do against the Panthers.The lines the Rams and the Gators were being favored by are ridiculous and I look to profit$$ from high spreads when they can outright lose the game.
Warner on the way down??
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that is an interesting point you bring up, not just warner wise, but in general terms.
yes, big defense teams have shown us they can beat st louis, or at the very least give them a run for the money.
off-hand, and speaking in general terms, the offense that stays stagnant usually gets caught by their adversaries after seeing enough film and repetitious patterns. it has happened to indy previous to this year, and to other teams in other ocassions.
the reverse was the case with baltimore last year, as they made their run with basically no offense to show on film, yet as the season came near a close, playoffs, etc., their offense started to pick up; a bit late for opponents to catch up. i guess that is one of the formulas for getting to the superbowl.
but getting to your point about warner and the upcoming game: i don't think sanfran has the defense to accomplish this, looking at how other not-so-hot teams have scored against them, to come close to holding st louis, and when it comes to the nitty gritty, the tit for tat, the end result has been and i forecast it will be similar: sanfran will be "short" a couple of scores.
your point is nevertheless correct, but i don't believe sanfran is the kind of team that can accomplish it, and st louis has by no means a lock to get in the superbowl, as they will end up facing one of these types of teams in the playoffs.
pep
yes, big defense teams have shown us they can beat st louis, or at the very least give them a run for the money.
off-hand, and speaking in general terms, the offense that stays stagnant usually gets caught by their adversaries after seeing enough film and repetitious patterns. it has happened to indy previous to this year, and to other teams in other ocassions.
the reverse was the case with baltimore last year, as they made their run with basically no offense to show on film, yet as the season came near a close, playoffs, etc., their offense started to pick up; a bit late for opponents to catch up. i guess that is one of the formulas for getting to the superbowl.
but getting to your point about warner and the upcoming game: i don't think sanfran has the defense to accomplish this, looking at how other not-so-hot teams have scored against them, to come close to holding st louis, and when it comes to the nitty gritty, the tit for tat, the end result has been and i forecast it will be similar: sanfran will be "short" a couple of scores.
your point is nevertheless correct, but i don't believe sanfran is the kind of team that can accomplish it, and st louis has by no means a lock to get in the superbowl, as they will end up facing one of these types of teams in the playoffs.
pep
It's a great observation you've made about physical defenses vs the 2001 version of the Rams.However,Warner has supposedly had a thumb injury all season on his throwing hand which prevents him from gripping the ball tightly and subsequently throwing it as accurately as he has in the past.Some of his interceptions are so far off that it seems the ball has slipped out of his grasp as he's throwing it.I'm not sure if he's on the downhill slide or if this injury is the problem with his accuracy.As for the problems with physical defenses,I look to the o line for a large share of the responsibilty.
As Pepin correctly said teams are doing more film study and the outcome of the games are decided in the film room. This is why teams with bad coaching staff's always find a way to lose close games. The teams that study their opponent's weakness can base their offense or defense to expose it come Sunday. GREEN BAY didn't do their homework on Jacksonville otherwise they would have started the game out throwing the ball, instead of waiting until the 2nd half. I don't think Warner physically is losing his ability, but the defense's are giving him a lot of different looks to force the Rams to try and score different ways.
What I think he said is that in the NFL,a successful style only lasts so long until someone comes up with a strategic antedote for it(who remembers the 46 defense).Intense daily film study by coaches and players is a VERY OLD concept,not some recent discovery that teams have started doing "more" of in the two years since the year when no one could stop the Rams.What they have seen more of is the Rams, 2 years more.I am still of the mind that the Rams on offense aren't executing quite as well,from Warner,for whatever reason you want to believe,to the o line,to the receivers,the chemistry is not quite as strong as their championship year.
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I've several QBs who put up monsterous numbers and have good TD/INT ratios only to see the TD/INT ratio deteriorate. I think its overconfidence. Some QBs feel they can repeatedly throw into double coverage and take too many chances. How many times do Favre and Warner throw right into the heart of double coverage every week?
valuist
how true. difference is that warner has one heck of an offensive team and such a repertoire of passing plays, that he can make up a mistake in a hurry. and you better have complete coverage, not just the line rush; you must cover against the screen, long, timed/spotted passes, etc., which is where st louis excells. oh yeah, they do have a pretty decent back as well.
i agree, you must throw bullets into double coverage, and i mean bullets, otherwise you are done. perhaps that is where the thumb issue comes in, in his haste to throw a bullet the ball ends up somewhere else, not unlike a pitcher who will ocassionally throw a ball 10 feet from the plate.
anyway, this is my argument for sf not being able to stop st lou. they haven't in the past and i don't see why they would now, not enough to cover this line.
pep
how true. difference is that warner has one heck of an offensive team and such a repertoire of passing plays, that he can make up a mistake in a hurry. and you better have complete coverage, not just the line rush; you must cover against the screen, long, timed/spotted passes, etc., which is where st louis excells. oh yeah, they do have a pretty decent back as well.
i agree, you must throw bullets into double coverage, and i mean bullets, otherwise you are done. perhaps that is where the thumb issue comes in, in his haste to throw a bullet the ball ends up somewhere else, not unlike a pitcher who will ocassionally throw a ball 10 feet from the plate.
anyway, this is my argument for sf not being able to stop st lou. they haven't in the past and i don't see why they would now, not enough to cover this line.
pep
