Warren Buffett on Taxation

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Buffett's Views on Taxes

Estate tax
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Buffett told The New York Times that the inheritance tax played a "critical role" in promoting economic growth by helping create a society in which success is based on merit rather than inheritance. Repealing the estate tax, he said, would be equivalent to "choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics."

Dividend tax
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When the U.S. Senate discussed a proposal that dividends be made 50% tax free in 2003, then 100% tax free in 2004 through 2006, Buffett wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post saying it would "further tilt the tax scales toward the rich".

Instead of the Senate's tax-cut plan, Buffett proposed it provide tax reductions to those who need and will spend the money in the form of a Social Security tax "holiday" or a tax rebate to lower-income people.

Buffett posed a hypothetical situation in which Berkshire Hathaway, which does not pay a dividend, paid $1 billion in dividends next year.

His 31% ownership would give him an additional $310 million in income (tax free). This would reduce his tax rate from about 30% to 3%, while his office secretary would still have a tax rate of about 30%.

"The 3% overall federal tax rate I would pay - if a Berkshire dividend were to be tax free - seems a bit light", Buffett wrote.

"Putting $1,000 in the pockets of 310,000 families with urgent needs is going to provide far more stimulus to the economy than putting the same $310 million in my pockets", Buffett added.

Property tax
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Warren Buffett used his own properties to illustrate an example.

His home in Omaha, Nebraska, is valued at about $500,000 and its recent annual property tax was $14,401.

His first home in Laguna Beach, California, purchased in the 1970s is valued at $4 million and its recent annual property tax was $2,264. His second home adjacent to the first was bought in the 1990s and is valued at $2 million with a recent tax of $12,202.

Buffett said in a Wall Street Journal interview that taxes on the two homes should be based on value, just like his home in Omaha, but instead is based on purchase date, as a consequence of limitations on increases in property tax established by California Proposition 13 (1978).

"In effect, it makes no sense", Buffett told the Wall Street Journal, in reference to large differences in tax assessments by purchase date.

Income tax
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Buffett opposed President George W. Bush's income tax cuts as favoring the wealthy. "If class warfare is being waged in America", he wrote, "my class is clearly winning". In the 2004 presidential election he supported Democratic candidate John Kerry and served as Kerry's economic adviser.
 

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"Putting $1,000 in the pockets of 310,000 families with urgent needs is going to provide far more stimulus to the economy than putting the same $310 million in my pockets", Buffett added.

Bingo. Freaking Bingo. Of course, these 310,000 people probably won't stimulate the economy with important purchases like Freeze's and a handful of other 1%ers Ipod and accessories, but it will help.
 
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Even using your scenario, marine, that would generate revenue for lottery-related state program investments like education (check your local state dispersals for specific ones), sales to local businesses for cigs and beer (quite a bit using your numbers) which helps small and big business, and revenue from state and local cigarette and liquor taxes.
 

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you leftist tools like the idea that you can use the government to plunder a man's wealth for some reason

seems to me, that all these rich, evil, corporate guys are pretty much bailing out the world right now with philanthropy as the governments of the world find themselves in more and more disarray unable to do anything productive

and you want more money to go to them?

lunacy!!!
 

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Buffett is very much one of my business heroes. Obviously he is wise beyond my wildest aspirations, so it is hard to discount what he says. There are definitely pros and cons to the estate tax. The major con is that I feel the money has already been taxed fairly according to our rules, so why tax it again. The pro is that if abolished then we still have to come up with that tax revenue because we know the jokers in DC from both sides are not going to curb spending anytime soon.

I'm surprised none of the people here that love to bash the wealthiest people have been speaking about the combined efforts of the Gates' and Buffett.

I guess what I don't get is that Buffett can choose to give his money to a charity tax free but if he chose to go the other route and give it to his children/heirs then it should be taxed again. If he passes it down to someone else, then it will remain in our economy.

That being said, I think he is doing the best thing with his money that he could do. More money in the government's hands is really not what we need. The Gates Foundation is a prime example of how much more effective private money can be compared to money under governmental control.
 

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Although I don't know much specifically about the charitable efforts of Gates and Buffett, from what I have seen they are beyond reproach and incredibly charitable citizens. I have great admiration for them, and they should be looked at as role models for the upper echelon of successful people in any country.

What I think is further impressive about Buffett, is that he is so outspoken in matters of taxation and upper wealth scenarios when clearly his views would not benefit him. I think highly of many liberal millionaire legislators that enact (or try to) legislation along those lines that will not benefit them - like doing away with tax breaks, estate taxes, etc.

Freeze, maybe if you could show me how the estate tax and/or our tax system is hurting the people you profess deserve a more fair system - being detrimental to their desire and efforts to make more money - then you might have my understanding. Our current system provides a wonderful opportunity for those that make outlandish amounts of money through whatever means to make more and more. I don't see many slowing down or giving up, do you? The numbers certainly don't back that up.

Again - what is a fair tax rate/system - if this one is so unfair to the upper 1%?
 

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thoughtful response Dawg, and you make some good points. I think that is what this forum should be all about.

Dr.Freeze, you are so full of hate and blind partisanship that you will never be able to reasonably evaluate and understand any substantive issue. You need to just keep listening to O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the like and continue to grow your ignorance and hate all the while smugly reassuring yourself of how "right" you are.
 
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Jabberwocky said:
thoughtful response Dawg, and you make some good points. I think that is what this forum should be all about.

Dr.Freeze, you are so full of hate and blind partisinship that you will never be able to reasonably evaluate and understand any substantive issue. You need to just keep listening to O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the like and continue to grow your ignorance and hate all the while smugly reassuring yourself of how "right" you are.

lmao tell me how the government spends money better than rich guys' philanthropy than

if anyone is filled with anything, it is you leftists who are filled with greed and envy over another man's checkbook

get a grip
 

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Buffet is right giving more to 1% the top won't do a thing. Like he said on PBS. The rich real rich top 1% should understand they made that money because this great country allowed it to happen. And most likely would not have been as lucky other places. He said they have so much more to lose. They should be happy to pay more anyway they can to help protect there interest. And the repeal of estate tax is not the way.
 

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Too bad nobody talks about the Middle Class anymore.

The discussions are always about how much to tax to the very wealthy, to ease the life of the very poor.

I never really use government services, I pay my taxes, I don't really commit crime, and never will be rich and pay gobs of taxes.

Too bad the middle class lacks a voice. Reminds me of the ignored middle child.


PS... regarding Prop 13 in California and property taxes. THAT measure helped thousands of middle class people afford/keep homes they might not have been able to get.
 

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You feel like there's a war against the middle class.
 

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ImFeklhr said:
Too bad nobody talks about the Middle Class anymore.

The discussions are always about how much to tax to the very wealthy, to ease the life of the very poor.

I never really use government services, I pay my taxes, I don't really commit crime, and never will be rich and pay gobs of taxes.

Too bad the middle class lacks a voice. Reminds me of the ignored middle child.


PS... regarding Prop 13 in California and property taxes. THAT measure helped thousands of middle class people afford/keep homes they might not have been able to get.
We in the middle don't matter, money runs the show and the poor are a tool for the left and the right. The rich are united, the poor for the most part don't care and the guys in the middle fight over the scraps that are left that we create. These two parties have us fighting a social and class war, while they rob us blind. If you understand what I just said then we have a chance to do something. I think the middle voting for the left or right is just stupid. We need a new party. Who's looking out for you and me ? You , me our friends and family. I think it's a sad joke, for any working person, to argue with another working person about, which of these two parties to support. Nothing good has ever come from our government and delivered to the middle class. I don't want anything from them. Just give us an environment that is good for our children's education, smart sound defense and don't hinder are economy with taxes that are way over the top and get the hell out of the way. Why do they have to make it so hard on the guys that make it go ?
 
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both parties would rather have us all be serfs than prosper -- that gives them P-O-W-E-R

the inheritance tax will not hurt those who make billions, it hurts the guy who has a few hundred thousand left to his heirs

the guy with billions/tens of millions has had plenty of time to funnel away his money towards future generations

the guy who dies at 70 on a million or so saved for retirement gets screwed

thus the MIDDLE CLASS HEIR who could get a HUNDRED THOUSAND OR SO IS SCREWED and the hundred million dollar heir is still sitting nicely

think about it
 

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Dr.Freeze,

Without repeal of the estate tax, the first 4 million dollars of an estate can be passed on without taxation. I will repeat myself, the first 4 million is non-taxable. The repeal only affects everything over 4 million.
 

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Here is the deal with property in California and Prop 13. Prop 13 was passed by the voters for one thing. Anyone that knows California knows the insanity of rising property values here. So what are we to do when an 86 year old grandma is still living in the house she bought and subsequently paid for in 1960 at 25k. Now it is worth 650k. If taxation was based on value, how in hell is she going to be able to pay her property taxes? Thus, she and others like her would be forced to sell their houses.
 

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Jabberwocky said:
Dr.Freeze,

Without repeal of the estate tax, the first 4 million dollars of an estate can be passed on without taxation. I will repeat myself, the first 4 million is non-taxable. The repeal only affects everything over 4 million.

uh, no

if i get 100,000 from a dying relative, i have to pay taxes on that already earned money as INCOME TAX which needs to be repealed

i am pretty sure i have to pay this as income

plus the state levy

not sure why we want the government involved in all these family matters
 
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