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The altitude at Denver is 5000 feet. Teams are definitely affected adversely that do not live there.
Mexico City is 7200 feet.
That is 44% higher than Denver.
I expect the Defenses of both teams to be affected the most. Its not just the altitude, but the heat and humidity, not to mention the terrible SMOG.
Both teams have questionable secondaries to start with and not much quality depth.
The high altitude will also make throwing long passes easier. Both teams have talented young receivers and QBs, who should be able to stand the altitude a little better.
The OVER looks much better.
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The altitude at Denver is 5000 feet. Teams are definitely affected adversely that do not live there.
Mexico City is 7200 feet.
That is 44% higher than Denver.
I expect the Defenses of both teams to be affected the most. Its not just the altitude, but the heat and humidity, not to mention the terrible SMOG.
Both teams have questionable secondaries to start with and not much quality depth.
The high altitude will also make throwing long passes easier. Both teams have talented young receivers and QBs, who should be able to stand the altitude a little better.
The OVER looks much better.
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FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
Both teams better be ready for the 7200 foot elevation in Mexico City:
INTRODUCTION and historical background
High-altitude Pulmonary Edema
High-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) is an oncardiogenic pulmonary edema that develops in susceptible people who ascend quickly from low to high altitude. The incidence of HAPE increases with the rate of ascent and the ultimate altitude attained. HAPE is a cause of significant morbidity in people who sojourn to high altitude, and although itis usually easily treatable, it remains the most common cause of illness-related death.
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FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
Both teams better be ready for the 7200 foot elevation in Mexico City:
INTRODUCTION and historical background
High-altitude Pulmonary Edema
High-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) is an oncardiogenic pulmonary edema that develops in susceptible people who ascend quickly from low to high altitude. The incidence of HAPE increases with the rate of ascent and the ultimate altitude attained. HAPE is a cause of significant morbidity in people who sojourn to high altitude, and although itis usually easily treatable, it remains the most common cause of illness-related death.
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FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
Acute Mountain Sickness
When acclimatization lags significantly behind ascent, various symptoms occur. Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS) represents the body's intolerance of the hypoxic (low oxygen) environment at one's current elevation.
Who can get AMS? Anyone who goes to altitude. It is primarily related to rate of ascent. No way been found to predict who is likely to get sick at altitude. Which brings us to:
GOLDEN RULE 1.
It is OK to get altitude illness. It is not OK to die from it.
Don't violate this rule! Anybody can get AMS, there is no prevalence based on age, gender, physical fitness, or previous altitude experience. If you know what to do you should be able to avoid the severe, life-threatening forms.
GOLDEN RULE 2.
Any illness at altitude is altitude illness until proven otherwise.
RECOGNIZE AMS. In the context of a recent ascent, a headache, with any one or more of the following symptoms above 2500 meters (8000 feet) qualifies you for the diagnosis of AMS:
- Loss of appetite, nausea, or vomiting
- Fatigue or weakness
- Dizziness or light-headedness
- Difficulty sleeping
- Confusion
- Staggering gait
It is remarkable how many people mistakenly believe that a headache at altitude is "normal" when it is actually AMS. Be willing to admit that you have altitude illness.
FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
Acute Mountain Sickness
When acclimatization lags significantly behind ascent, various symptoms occur. Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS) represents the body's intolerance of the hypoxic (low oxygen) environment at one's current elevation.
Who can get AMS? Anyone who goes to altitude. It is primarily related to rate of ascent. No way been found to predict who is likely to get sick at altitude. Which brings us to:
GOLDEN RULE 1.
It is OK to get altitude illness. It is not OK to die from it.
Don't violate this rule! Anybody can get AMS, there is no prevalence based on age, gender, physical fitness, or previous altitude experience. If you know what to do you should be able to avoid the severe, life-threatening forms.
GOLDEN RULE 2.
Any illness at altitude is altitude illness until proven otherwise.
RECOGNIZE AMS. In the context of a recent ascent, a headache, with any one or more of the following symptoms above 2500 meters (8000 feet) qualifies you for the diagnosis of AMS:
- Loss of appetite, nausea, or vomiting
- Fatigue or weakness
- Dizziness or light-headedness
- Difficulty sleeping
- Confusion
- Staggering gait
It is remarkable how many people mistakenly believe that a headache at altitude is "normal" when it is actually AMS. Be willing to admit that you have altitude illness.
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FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
The Severe Forms of AMS
High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE)
AMS is a spectrum of illness, from mild to life-threatening. At the "severely ill" end of this spectrum is High Altitude Cerebral Edema; this is when the brain swells and ceases to function properly. Obviously, this is a Bad Thing to have happen to you.
HACE, once present, can progress rapidly, and can be fatal in a matter of a few hours. Persons with this illness are often confused, and may not recognize that they are ill.
The hallmark of HACE is a change in mentation, or the ability to think. There may be confusion, changes in behavior, or lethargy. However, it is probably easier to recognize a characteristic loss of coordination that is called ataxia. This is a staggering walk that is identical to the way a person walks when very intoxicated on alcohol.
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FYI -- This is not an alarm, but an indication of altitude as a concern.
The Severe Forms of AMS
High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE)
AMS is a spectrum of illness, from mild to life-threatening. At the "severely ill" end of this spectrum is High Altitude Cerebral Edema; this is when the brain swells and ceases to function properly. Obviously, this is a Bad Thing to have happen to you.
HACE, once present, can progress rapidly, and can be fatal in a matter of a few hours. Persons with this illness are often confused, and may not recognize that they are ill.
The hallmark of HACE is a change in mentation, or the ability to think. There may be confusion, changes in behavior, or lethargy. However, it is probably easier to recognize a characteristic loss of coordination that is called ataxia. This is a staggering walk that is identical to the way a person walks when very intoxicated on alcohol.
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I am not trying to be an alarmist, just that the conditions in Mexico City for those not used to it, can be problematic, at best.
The Acute Mountain Sickness baseline is 8000 feet. Mexico City is only 800 feet short of that, and that measurement is at the lowest point of the valley, where the center of the City is. The Stadium probably is a few hundred feet higher than that.
It should be interesting.
i will have to see if the SportsBooks have an OVER/UNDER on players passing out. (just kidding).
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I am not trying to be an alarmist, just that the conditions in Mexico City for those not used to it, can be problematic, at best.
The Acute Mountain Sickness baseline is 8000 feet. Mexico City is only 800 feet short of that, and that measurement is at the lowest point of the valley, where the center of the City is. The Stadium probably is a few hundred feet higher than that.
It should be interesting.
i will have to see if the SportsBooks have an OVER/UNDER on players passing out. (just kidding).
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The players will be just fine The will be fed rice and beans from wooden bowls that were cured over the years by grinding cockaroaches in the bow.
they will also enjoy flattened flour dough.
and for desert there is tasty candies made from chilli pods that are usually loaded with lead .
ENJOY..make sure you bring plenty of kaopectate l
they will also enjoy flattened flour dough.
and for desert there is tasty candies made from chilli pods that are usually loaded with lead .
ENJOY..make sure you bring plenty of kaopectate l
well, to alarmist, a lot of soccer teams have been there, nothing happens, nothing so tragical as you put bubba.
They will be tired, thats for sure, Mexico City is very good to know and travel, dont think they can be too focused and also the altitude will be a big factor there.
Smog is in the air, not in the ground, sometimes you have high grades of smog but not this case
about humidity, well, Mexico City rains season is in September, maybe they have humidity, but not for sure, Mexico City is not a hot environment city, is just fine, cool weather almost all the year.
I am not in Mexico City, but I can give you an update with my people, sincerely, nothing to alarm, maybe the field is a problem, is a soccer field and ****nig american football mess all the grass up, maybe they have some thing working to avoid it, dont know because i really dont know if I am going to see the game, I personally preffer the world cup of soccer sub 17, and mexico is in the final!!!
Very bad game, just for junkies, sorry ass game for Mexico, if you ask me!
They will be tired, thats for sure, Mexico City is very good to know and travel, dont think they can be too focused and also the altitude will be a big factor there.
Smog is in the air, not in the ground, sometimes you have high grades of smog but not this case
about humidity, well, Mexico City rains season is in September, maybe they have humidity, but not for sure, Mexico City is not a hot environment city, is just fine, cool weather almost all the year.
I am not in Mexico City, but I can give you an update with my people, sincerely, nothing to alarm, maybe the field is a problem, is a soccer field and ****nig american football mess all the grass up, maybe they have some thing working to avoid it, dont know because i really dont know if I am going to see the game, I personally preffer the world cup of soccer sub 17, and mexico is in the final!!!
Very bad game, just for junkies, sorry ass game for Mexico, if you ask me!
I agree with you, caballero.
Those of us who are old enough to remember the Olympics in 1968 can attest to what you say. In the 1968 Olympic Games held in Mexico City, there were similar fears about the altitude. However, the elite world athletes were not adversly affected.
Those of us who are old enough to remember the Olympics in 1968 can attest to what you say. In the 1968 Olympic Games held in Mexico City, there were similar fears about the altitude. However, the elite world athletes were not adversly affected.
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Great forum
Comparing the Olympian "elite world athletes" to players like the OGs and DTs of the two teams is a travesty. Saying that Warren Sapp or Grady Jackson are comparable to Olympic athletes in track and field is worse.
Secondly, the Olympic athletes trained for those conditions for years and really, really wanted to be there. That is not the case here. These players do not want to be in Mexico City. They are not trained or motivated to be there. It is a tremendously long trip there and back. The players know that they will be at a disadvantage against the next teams they play. Neither team has a BYE week next week, which is another NFL screw job.
The players are not making any more money. the teams and the NFL are making a lot of money.
Any intelligent person realizes that people living in a particular altitude are accustomed to it. For instance Bolivia is 13000 feet. You would expect Bolivians to play soccer normally at home while visitors would have real problems.
Second Last, The original health warnings were only to highlight the possible problems of altitude. it was not meant to suggest anyone would die, or be sick. I am sure there will be plenty of oxygen available for the players. I was just mentioning the inherent dangers of the surrounding conditions.
Last, the quote of the year from our Mexican Amigo:
"Smog is in the air, not in the ground, sometimes you have high grades of smog but not this case"
I am not sure how to answer that.
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Comparing the Olympian "elite world athletes" to players like the OGs and DTs of the two teams is a travesty. Saying that Warren Sapp or Grady Jackson are comparable to Olympic athletes in track and field is worse.
Secondly, the Olympic athletes trained for those conditions for years and really, really wanted to be there. That is not the case here. These players do not want to be in Mexico City. They are not trained or motivated to be there. It is a tremendously long trip there and back. The players know that they will be at a disadvantage against the next teams they play. Neither team has a BYE week next week, which is another NFL screw job.
The players are not making any more money. the teams and the NFL are making a lot of money.
Any intelligent person realizes that people living in a particular altitude are accustomed to it. For instance Bolivia is 13000 feet. You would expect Bolivians to play soccer normally at home while visitors would have real problems.
Second Last, The original health warnings were only to highlight the possible problems of altitude. it was not meant to suggest anyone would die, or be sick. I am sure there will be plenty of oxygen available for the players. I was just mentioning the inherent dangers of the surrounding conditions.
Last, the quote of the year from our Mexican Amigo:
"Smog is in the air, not in the ground, sometimes you have high grades of smog but not this case"
I am not sure how to answer that.
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I am certain that the Mexican government and the NFL will only show the good points of the game and the City. You wont see the smog, poverty, or game problems (like altitude) for the players. The NFL wants to come back (for the money-advertizing) and wants other teams to want to go there next year.
This will be shown as a "perfect" place to play.
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I am certain that the Mexican government and the NFL will only show the good points of the game and the City. You wont see the smog, poverty, or game problems (like altitude) for the players. The NFL wants to come back (for the money-advertizing) and wants other teams to want to go there next year.
This will be shown as a "perfect" place to play.
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WEll Bubba?? not disrespect or anything like that, but!!
have you been in Mexico City??
The cardinals trip was from just 4 hours, less then go to the east coast, the niners about 5-6 hours, less then go to the east coast!!
They both will feel like home teams because people is getting nuts ther in Mexico, stupids they dont even know them, about poverty, i can assure you, they will not see poverty, Mexico City has plenty of money and plenty of poverty, so, they will not see poverty. About the field, well, there is not other one field like this one in the world, the Aztec stadium is huge and great, if you someday buy some very nice tickets you can go with your car througouth the door of your "palco" and enjoy the game. The grass the grass always is screwed dont know why, something stupid from Mexico City people, but nobody touch that grass the last week and a half trying to have it in top fit!
Maybe people have to know more about the city, I have been there several times, I used to play basketball, soccer and football, never have problems of any kind, I am not a NFL athlete, never close!! neither NBA!! and both have played in that city, never with problems, if you want I can give you an update about the grass, I certainly can let you know the conditions of that field.
just my thinking, nothing else here
have you been in Mexico City??
The cardinals trip was from just 4 hours, less then go to the east coast, the niners about 5-6 hours, less then go to the east coast!!
They both will feel like home teams because people is getting nuts ther in Mexico, stupids they dont even know them, about poverty, i can assure you, they will not see poverty, Mexico City has plenty of money and plenty of poverty, so, they will not see poverty. About the field, well, there is not other one field like this one in the world, the Aztec stadium is huge and great, if you someday buy some very nice tickets you can go with your car througouth the door of your "palco" and enjoy the game. The grass the grass always is screwed dont know why, something stupid from Mexico City people, but nobody touch that grass the last week and a half trying to have it in top fit!
Maybe people have to know more about the city, I have been there several times, I used to play basketball, soccer and football, never have problems of any kind, I am not a NFL athlete, never close!! neither NBA!! and both have played in that city, never with problems, if you want I can give you an update about the grass, I certainly can let you know the conditions of that field.
just my thinking, nothing else here
unless we have rapid elevation changes tonight and players ascend to the stadium from sea level in 10 minutes or less i dont think we will need to worry about your mentioned illnesses Bubba
BEERTIME, are you even old enough to drink beer?
If so just keep doing this for the next 4 hours
:drinky: :drinky: and after that go and take a drive (if you own a car)
If so just keep doing this for the next 4 hours
:drinky: :drinky: and after that go and take a drive (if you own a car)
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