I been hitting them and I thought it was a good thing last year.......I guess the LVSC is smarter then we think? or I should say I think
when do the dogs start covering in these games......
- Thread starter giambi
- Start date
thanks for the comments I just have lost BOTH so it seems that there have been 50 and you guys are doing great so far I noticed your threads earlier great job
giambi:
i play dogs about 90% of the time (in all sports). miami in football tonight was a rare chalk play for me. personally, i dont like the dog in the next bowl game, but really like tcu over boise and a smaller play on new mex after that. dont worry, things will even out. dogs may not cash at the clip they have in the past bowl yrs, but theyll start coming in soon enough
i play dogs about 90% of the time (in all sports). miami in football tonight was a rare chalk play for me. personally, i dont like the dog in the next bowl game, but really like tcu over boise and a smaller play on new mex after that. dont worry, things will even out. dogs may not cash at the clip they have in the past bowl yrs, but theyll start coming in soon enough
thanks gman and good luck to you ................ I was soooo close in taking the 1st half MIa -7 but I couldn't pull the trigger and I will definitely be looking at your threads. I did play alot of the dogs last year and did pretty well and was really excited about the bowl season this year but the first 2 have been frusterating so just thought I would let it out a little .......BTW keep up the good work
tangerine bowl monday....this game means a lot to the kansas football program.
nc state was supposed to be in alot better game than this when the season started. yeah, i know they got rivers, but they must be disappointed. kansas, on the other hand, this is HUGE for them. look for them to come out like this is their super bowl.
i love the 11 1/2 points they are getting, still looking at it before i fire away.
nc state was supposed to be in alot better game than this when the season started. yeah, i know they got rivers, but they must be disappointed. kansas, on the other hand, this is HUGE for them. look for them to come out like this is their super bowl.
i love the 11 1/2 points they are getting, still looking at it before i fire away.
I hear you giambi. I usually cap all the bowl games and play whoever i like. But each year it seems like the dogs start winning these games SU right off the bat and win about half of them in total. Of Course this year I try to be smart and decide to play the same amount on every ML dog.
Not a great start.
Not a great start.
I have been tracking and capping Bowl results for 25 years.There have been years where all but one or two favorites have covered,there have been years where almost every dog has covered.I've tried to interject this cautionary note in these threads that state all you have to do is play ML dogs every year to make money.There is no assurrance that this will work on a fool proof basis every year,no matter what anyone wants to tell you.Though isolated,there have been years that playing this blindly would have put a person in the poorhouse.GL either way
"There have been years where all but one or two favorites have covered..." :shrug:
Don't think so.
Don't think so.
"rrc"-I really don't care if you don't believe me.I KNOW its so,cause I've meticulously logged the games the same way for a qtr of century.Can you honestly make the claim that you've even been handicapping that long?I believe one such year was the year Auburn played FSU in a rematch of a reg season game,can't remember which bowl it was but in the reg season the result was Auburn and over,in the bowl game the result was FSU and Under.If there was a site that had all the bowl results for the last twenty years,I'm confident I could prove it,but I just realized I couldn't care less think you want,you'll have a hard lesson to learn one of these years.
quote:when do the dogs start covering in these games:end of quote
not sure if this will help you at all but last 10 years of bowl results below...
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2002 Date
2002-12-17 Cincinnati 19 vs. North Texas (+7?) 24 New Orleans Bowl
2002-12-18 Marshall 38 vs. Louisville (+3) 15 GMAC Bowl
2002-12-23 Texas Tech 55 vs. Clemson (+4?) 15 Tangerine Bowl
2002-12-25 New Mexico 13 vs. UC.L.A. (-9?) 27 Las Vegas Bowl
2002-12-25 Tulane 36 vs. Hawaii (-13?) 28 Hawaii Bowl
2002-12-26 Boston College 51 vs. Toledo (+4) 25 Motor City Bowl
2002-12-26 Pittsburgh 38 vs. Oregon State (-2) 13 Insight Bowl
2002-12-27 Southern Miss 23 vs. Oklahoma State (-9?) 33 Houston Bowl
2002-12-27 Nebraska 23 vs. Mississippi (+6?) 27 Independence Bowl
2002-12-27 Kansas State 34 vs. Arizona State (+17) 27 Holiday Bowl
2002-12-28 West Virginia 22 vs. Virginia (+5?) 48 Continental Tire Bowl
2002-12-28 Wisconsin 31 vs. Colorado (-7) 28 Alamo Bowl
2002-12-30 Minnesota 29 vs. Arkansas (-8?) 14 Music City Bowl
2002-12-30 Wake Forest 38 vs. Oregon (-8) 17 Seattle Bowl
2002-12-31 Iowa State 16 vs. Boise State (-12) 34 Humanitarian Bowl
2002-12-31 Purdue 34 vs. Washington (-2) 24 Sun Bowl
2002-12-31 Colorado State 3 vs. Texas Christian (+3) 17 Liberty Bowl
2002-12-31 Georgia Tech 21 vs. Fresno State (+6?) 30 Silicon Valley Classic
2002-12-31 Tennessee 3 vs. Maryland (Pk) 30 Peach Bowl
2002-12-31 Virginia Tech 20 vs. Air Force (+11) 13 San Francisco Bowl
2003-01-01 Louisiana State 20 vs. Texas (-10?) 35 Cotton Bowl
2003-01-01 Michigan 38 vs. Florida (Pk) 30 Outback Bowl
2003-01-01 Notre Dame 6 vs. No Carolina State (Pk) 28 Gator Bowl
2003-01-01 Penn State 9 vs. Auburn (+7?) 13 Capital One Bowl
2003-01-01 Oklahoma 34 vs. Washington State (+5) 14 Rose Bowl
2003-01-01 Florida State 13 vs. Georgia (-7) 26 Sugar Bowl
2003-01-02 Iowa 17 vs. Southern Cal (-4?) 38 Orange Bowl
2003-01-03 Ohio State 31 vs. Miami-Florida (-11) 24 Fiesta Bowl
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2001 Date
2001-12-18 North Texas 20 vs. Colorado State (-12?) 45 New Orleans Bowl @ New Orleans LA
2001-12-19 Marshall 64 vs. East Carolina (-1) 61 GMAC Bowl @ Mobile AL
2001-12-20 Pittsburgh 34 vs. No Carolina State (Pk) 19 Tangerine Bowl @ Orlando FL
2001-12-25 Southern Cal 6 vs. Utah (+3?) 10 Las Vegas Bowl @ Las Vegas NV
2001-12-27 Georgia Tech 24 vs. Stanford (-4?) 14 Seattle Bowl @ Seattle WA
2001-12-27 Iowa State 13 vs. Alabama (-6?) 14 Independence Bowl @ Shreveport LA
2001-12-28 Texas A+M 28 vs. Texas Christian (+6?) 9 GalleryFurniture.com Bowl @ Houston TX
2001-12-28 Boston College 20 vs. Georgia (-4?) 16 Music City Bowl @ Nashville TN
2001-12-28 Texas 47 vs. Washington (+12?) 43 Holiday Bowl @ San Diego CA
2001-12-29 Toledo 23 vs. Cincinnati (+3?) 16 Motor City Bowl @ Pontiac MI
2001-12-29 Iowa 19 vs. Texas Tech (-1) 16 Alamo Bowl @ San Antonio TX
2001-12-29 Syracuse 26 vs. Kansas State (-5?) 3 Insight.com Bowl @ Tempe AZ
2001-12-31 Clemson 49 vs. Louisiana Tech (+6?) 24 Humanitarian Bowl @ Boise ID
2001-12-31 Purdue 27 vs. Washington State (-8) 33 Sun Bowl @ El Paso TX
2001-12-31 Michigan State 44 vs. Fresno State (-5?) 35 Silicon Valley Bowl @ San Jose CA
2001-12-31 Louisville 28 vs. Brigham Young (+3) 10 Liberty Bowl @ Memphis TN
2001-12-31 North Carolina 16 vs. Auburn (+2?) 10 Peach Bowl @ Atlanta GA
2002-01-01 Arkansas 3 vs. Oklahoma (-13?) 10 Cotton Bowl @ Dallas TX
2002-01-01 South Carolina 31 vs. Ohio State (+1?) 28 Outback Bowl @ Tampa FL
2002-01-01 Florida State 30 vs. Virginia Tech (-2) 17 Gator Bowl @ Jacksonville FL
2002-01-01 Tennessee 45 vs. Michigan (+4) 17 Citrus Bowl @ Orlando FL
2002-01-01 Oregon 38 vs. Colorado (-3) 16 Fiesta Bowl @ Tempa AZ
2002-01-01 Illinois 34 vs. Louisiana State (-2?) 47 Sugar Bowl @ New Orleans LA
2002-01-02 Florida 56 vs. Maryland (+14) 23 Orange Bowl @ Miami FL
2002-01-03 Nebraska 14 vs. Miami-Florida (-8) 37 Rose Bowl @ Pasadena CA
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2000 Date
2000-12-20 Southern Miss 28 vs. Texas Christian (-7) 21
2000-12-21 Arkansas 14 vs. Nevada-Las Vegas (-1) 31
2000-12-24 Virginia 14 vs. Georgia (-9?) 37
2000-12-25 Boston College 31 vs. Arizona State (-3?) 17
2000-12-27 Cincinnati 14 vs. Marshall (+3?) 25
2000-12-27 Texas Tech 27 vs. East Carolina (+1) 40
2000-12-28 Texas-El Paso 23 vs. Boise State (-7) 38
2000-12-28 West Virginia 49 vs. Mississippi (-4) 38
2000-12-28 Pittsburgh 29 vs. Iowa State (Pk) 37
2000-12-28 Minnesota 30 vs. No Carolina State (+3?) 38
2000-12-29 Colorado State 22 vs. Louisville (+1?) 17
2000-12-29 Wisconsin 21 vs. UC.L.A. (+4?) 20
2000-12-29 Louisiana State 28 vs. Georgia Tech (-8?) 14
2000-12-29 Texas 30 vs. Oregon (+7) 35
2000-12-30 Northwestern 17 vs. Nebraska (-14?) 66
2000-12-31 Air Force 37 vs. Fresno State (-1) 34
2000-12-31 Texas A+M 41 vs. Mississippi State (+1) 43
2001-01-01 Tennessee 21 vs. Kansas State (-3?) 35
2001-01-01 Ohio State 7 vs. South Carolina (+6?) 24
2001-01-01 Virginia Tech 41 vs. Clemson (+6?) 20
2001-01-01 Michigan 31 vs. Auburn (+8) 28
2001-01-01 Purdue 24 vs. Washington (+1) 34
2001-01-01 Notre Dame 9 vs. Oregon State (-3) 41
2001-01-02 Miami-Florida 37 vs. Florida (+6) 20
2001-01-03 Florida State 2 vs. Oklahoma (+11?) 13
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1999 Date
1999-12-18 Utah 17 vs. Fresno State (+7) 16
1999-12-22 Texas Christian 28 vs. East Carolina (-5) 14
1999-12-25 Wake Forest 23 vs. Arizona State (-3?) 3
1999-12-25 Oregon State 17 vs. Hawaii (+8?) 23
1999-12-27 Brigham Young 3 vs. Marshall (-2?) 21
1999-12-28 Texas A+M 0 vs. Penn State (-6) 24
1999-12-29 Syracuse 20 vs. Kentucky (-2?) 13
1999-12-29 Kansas State 24 vs. Washington (+11) 20
1999-12-30 Louisville 31 vs. Boise State (+4) 34
1999-12-30 Illinois 63 vs. Virginia (-2?) 21
1999-12-30 Mississippi State 17 vs. Clemson (-2?) 7
1999-12-31 Colorado 62 vs. Boston College (+8) 28
1999-12-31 Minnesota 20 vs. Oregon (+2) 24
1999-12-31 Colorado State 17 vs. Southern Miss (-6?) 23
1999-12-31 Mississippi 27 vs. Oklahoma (-3?) 25
2000-01-01 Georgia 28 vs. Purdue (-5) 25
2000-01-01 Arkansas 27 vs. Texas (-7) 6
2000-01-01 Georgia Tech 13 vs. Miami-Florida (-5) 28
2000-01-01 Michigan State 37 vs. Florida (-1) 34
2000-01-01 Wisconsin 17 vs. Stanford (+11) 9
2000-01-01 Michigan 35 vs. Alabama (-2) 34
2000-01-02 Tennessee 21 vs. Nebraska (-4) 31
2000-01-04 Virginia Tech 29 vs. Florida State (-6?) 46
not sure if this will help you at all but last 10 years of bowl results below...
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2002 Date
2002-12-17 Cincinnati 19 vs. North Texas (+7?) 24 New Orleans Bowl
2002-12-18 Marshall 38 vs. Louisville (+3) 15 GMAC Bowl
2002-12-23 Texas Tech 55 vs. Clemson (+4?) 15 Tangerine Bowl
2002-12-25 New Mexico 13 vs. UC.L.A. (-9?) 27 Las Vegas Bowl
2002-12-25 Tulane 36 vs. Hawaii (-13?) 28 Hawaii Bowl
2002-12-26 Boston College 51 vs. Toledo (+4) 25 Motor City Bowl
2002-12-26 Pittsburgh 38 vs. Oregon State (-2) 13 Insight Bowl
2002-12-27 Southern Miss 23 vs. Oklahoma State (-9?) 33 Houston Bowl
2002-12-27 Nebraska 23 vs. Mississippi (+6?) 27 Independence Bowl
2002-12-27 Kansas State 34 vs. Arizona State (+17) 27 Holiday Bowl
2002-12-28 West Virginia 22 vs. Virginia (+5?) 48 Continental Tire Bowl
2002-12-28 Wisconsin 31 vs. Colorado (-7) 28 Alamo Bowl
2002-12-30 Minnesota 29 vs. Arkansas (-8?) 14 Music City Bowl
2002-12-30 Wake Forest 38 vs. Oregon (-8) 17 Seattle Bowl
2002-12-31 Iowa State 16 vs. Boise State (-12) 34 Humanitarian Bowl
2002-12-31 Purdue 34 vs. Washington (-2) 24 Sun Bowl
2002-12-31 Colorado State 3 vs. Texas Christian (+3) 17 Liberty Bowl
2002-12-31 Georgia Tech 21 vs. Fresno State (+6?) 30 Silicon Valley Classic
2002-12-31 Tennessee 3 vs. Maryland (Pk) 30 Peach Bowl
2002-12-31 Virginia Tech 20 vs. Air Force (+11) 13 San Francisco Bowl
2003-01-01 Louisiana State 20 vs. Texas (-10?) 35 Cotton Bowl
2003-01-01 Michigan 38 vs. Florida (Pk) 30 Outback Bowl
2003-01-01 Notre Dame 6 vs. No Carolina State (Pk) 28 Gator Bowl
2003-01-01 Penn State 9 vs. Auburn (+7?) 13 Capital One Bowl
2003-01-01 Oklahoma 34 vs. Washington State (+5) 14 Rose Bowl
2003-01-01 Florida State 13 vs. Georgia (-7) 26 Sugar Bowl
2003-01-02 Iowa 17 vs. Southern Cal (-4?) 38 Orange Bowl
2003-01-03 Ohio State 31 vs. Miami-Florida (-11) 24 Fiesta Bowl
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2001 Date
2001-12-18 North Texas 20 vs. Colorado State (-12?) 45 New Orleans Bowl @ New Orleans LA
2001-12-19 Marshall 64 vs. East Carolina (-1) 61 GMAC Bowl @ Mobile AL
2001-12-20 Pittsburgh 34 vs. No Carolina State (Pk) 19 Tangerine Bowl @ Orlando FL
2001-12-25 Southern Cal 6 vs. Utah (+3?) 10 Las Vegas Bowl @ Las Vegas NV
2001-12-27 Georgia Tech 24 vs. Stanford (-4?) 14 Seattle Bowl @ Seattle WA
2001-12-27 Iowa State 13 vs. Alabama (-6?) 14 Independence Bowl @ Shreveport LA
2001-12-28 Texas A+M 28 vs. Texas Christian (+6?) 9 GalleryFurniture.com Bowl @ Houston TX
2001-12-28 Boston College 20 vs. Georgia (-4?) 16 Music City Bowl @ Nashville TN
2001-12-28 Texas 47 vs. Washington (+12?) 43 Holiday Bowl @ San Diego CA
2001-12-29 Toledo 23 vs. Cincinnati (+3?) 16 Motor City Bowl @ Pontiac MI
2001-12-29 Iowa 19 vs. Texas Tech (-1) 16 Alamo Bowl @ San Antonio TX
2001-12-29 Syracuse 26 vs. Kansas State (-5?) 3 Insight.com Bowl @ Tempe AZ
2001-12-31 Clemson 49 vs. Louisiana Tech (+6?) 24 Humanitarian Bowl @ Boise ID
2001-12-31 Purdue 27 vs. Washington State (-8) 33 Sun Bowl @ El Paso TX
2001-12-31 Michigan State 44 vs. Fresno State (-5?) 35 Silicon Valley Bowl @ San Jose CA
2001-12-31 Louisville 28 vs. Brigham Young (+3) 10 Liberty Bowl @ Memphis TN
2001-12-31 North Carolina 16 vs. Auburn (+2?) 10 Peach Bowl @ Atlanta GA
2002-01-01 Arkansas 3 vs. Oklahoma (-13?) 10 Cotton Bowl @ Dallas TX
2002-01-01 South Carolina 31 vs. Ohio State (+1?) 28 Outback Bowl @ Tampa FL
2002-01-01 Florida State 30 vs. Virginia Tech (-2) 17 Gator Bowl @ Jacksonville FL
2002-01-01 Tennessee 45 vs. Michigan (+4) 17 Citrus Bowl @ Orlando FL
2002-01-01 Oregon 38 vs. Colorado (-3) 16 Fiesta Bowl @ Tempa AZ
2002-01-01 Illinois 34 vs. Louisiana State (-2?) 47 Sugar Bowl @ New Orleans LA
2002-01-02 Florida 56 vs. Maryland (+14) 23 Orange Bowl @ Miami FL
2002-01-03 Nebraska 14 vs. Miami-Florida (-8) 37 Rose Bowl @ Pasadena CA
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2000 Date
2000-12-20 Southern Miss 28 vs. Texas Christian (-7) 21
2000-12-21 Arkansas 14 vs. Nevada-Las Vegas (-1) 31
2000-12-24 Virginia 14 vs. Georgia (-9?) 37
2000-12-25 Boston College 31 vs. Arizona State (-3?) 17
2000-12-27 Cincinnati 14 vs. Marshall (+3?) 25
2000-12-27 Texas Tech 27 vs. East Carolina (+1) 40
2000-12-28 Texas-El Paso 23 vs. Boise State (-7) 38
2000-12-28 West Virginia 49 vs. Mississippi (-4) 38
2000-12-28 Pittsburgh 29 vs. Iowa State (Pk) 37
2000-12-28 Minnesota 30 vs. No Carolina State (+3?) 38
2000-12-29 Colorado State 22 vs. Louisville (+1?) 17
2000-12-29 Wisconsin 21 vs. UC.L.A. (+4?) 20
2000-12-29 Louisiana State 28 vs. Georgia Tech (-8?) 14
2000-12-29 Texas 30 vs. Oregon (+7) 35
2000-12-30 Northwestern 17 vs. Nebraska (-14?) 66
2000-12-31 Air Force 37 vs. Fresno State (-1) 34
2000-12-31 Texas A+M 41 vs. Mississippi State (+1) 43
2001-01-01 Tennessee 21 vs. Kansas State (-3?) 35
2001-01-01 Ohio State 7 vs. South Carolina (+6?) 24
2001-01-01 Virginia Tech 41 vs. Clemson (+6?) 20
2001-01-01 Michigan 31 vs. Auburn (+8) 28
2001-01-01 Purdue 24 vs. Washington (+1) 34
2001-01-01 Notre Dame 9 vs. Oregon State (-3) 41
2001-01-02 Miami-Florida 37 vs. Florida (+6) 20
2001-01-03 Florida State 2 vs. Oklahoma (+11?) 13
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1999 Date
1999-12-18 Utah 17 vs. Fresno State (+7) 16
1999-12-22 Texas Christian 28 vs. East Carolina (-5) 14
1999-12-25 Wake Forest 23 vs. Arizona State (-3?) 3
1999-12-25 Oregon State 17 vs. Hawaii (+8?) 23
1999-12-27 Brigham Young 3 vs. Marshall (-2?) 21
1999-12-28 Texas A+M 0 vs. Penn State (-6) 24
1999-12-29 Syracuse 20 vs. Kentucky (-2?) 13
1999-12-29 Kansas State 24 vs. Washington (+11) 20
1999-12-30 Louisville 31 vs. Boise State (+4) 34
1999-12-30 Illinois 63 vs. Virginia (-2?) 21
1999-12-30 Mississippi State 17 vs. Clemson (-2?) 7
1999-12-31 Colorado 62 vs. Boston College (+8) 28
1999-12-31 Minnesota 20 vs. Oregon (+2) 24
1999-12-31 Colorado State 17 vs. Southern Miss (-6?) 23
1999-12-31 Mississippi 27 vs. Oklahoma (-3?) 25
2000-01-01 Georgia 28 vs. Purdue (-5) 25
2000-01-01 Arkansas 27 vs. Texas (-7) 6
2000-01-01 Georgia Tech 13 vs. Miami-Florida (-5) 28
2000-01-01 Michigan State 37 vs. Florida (-1) 34
2000-01-01 Wisconsin 17 vs. Stanford (+11) 9
2000-01-01 Michigan 35 vs. Alabama (-2) 34
2000-01-02 Tennessee 21 vs. Nebraska (-4) 31
2000-01-04 Virginia Tech 29 vs. Florida State (-6?) 46
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1998 Date
1998-12-19 North Carolina 20 vs. San Diego State (+7) 13
1998-12-23 Louisville 29 vs. Marshall (+3?) 48
1998-12-25 Colorado 51 vs. Oregon (-5?) 43
1998-12-25 Air Force 45 vs. Washington (+3?) 25
1998-12-26 West Virginia 31 vs. Missouri (-3?) 34
1998-12-29 Alabama 7 vs. Virginia Tech (-5) 38
1998-12-29 No Carolina State 23 vs. Miami-Florida (-7) 46
1998-12-29 Kansas State 34 vs. Purdue (+12?) 37
1998-12-30 Southern Miss 35 vs. Idaho (+15?) 42
1998-12-30 Arizona 23 vs. Nebraska (-3) 20
1998-12-31 Brigham Young 27 vs. Tulane (-7) 41
1998-12-31 Texas Christian 28 vs. Southern California (-16) 19
1998-12-31 Georgia 35 vs. Virginia (-2) 33
1998-12-31 Texas Tech 18 vs. Mississippi (+9?) 35
1999-01-01 Penn State 26 vs. Kentucky (+6?) 14
1999-01-01 Notre Dame 28 vs. Georgia Tech (-1?) 35
1999-01-01 Michigan 45 vs. Arkansas (+3) 31
1999-01-01 Texas 38 vs. Mississippi State (+6?) 11
1999-01-01 UC.L.A. 31 vs. Wisconsin (+9?) 38
1999-01-01 Ohio State 24 vs. Texas A+M (+12?) 14
1999-01-02 Syracuse 10 vs. Florida (-7?) 31
1999-01-04 Florida State 16 vs. Tennessee (+5) 23
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1997 Date
1997-12-20 Oregon 41 vs. Air Force (+3?) 13
1997-12-25 Michigan State 23 vs. Washington (-5) 51
1997-12-26 Mississippi 34 vs. Marshall (+3) 31
1997-12-27 Arizona 20 vs. New Mexico (+9?) 14
1997-12-28 Notre Dame 9 vs. Louisiana State (-7) 27
1997-12-29 Cincinnati 35 vs. Utah State (+6) 19
1997-12-29 Georgia Tech 35 vs. West Virginia (+1) 30
1997-12-29 Missouri 24 vs. Colorado State (-6) 35
1997-12-30 Purdue 33 vs. Oklahoma State (+3) 20
1997-12-31 Iowa 7 vs. Arizona State (+2) 17
1997-12-31 Pittsburgh 7 vs. Southern Miss (-8?) 41
1997-12-31 Kansas State 35 vs. Syracuse (+3?) 18
1998-01-01 Wisconsin 6 vs. Georgia (-8?) 33
1998-01-01 Virginia Tech 3 vs. North Carolina (-12?) 42
1998-01-01 Penn State 6 vs. Florida (-10) 21
1998-01-01 UC.L.A. 29 vs. Texas A+M (+10) 23
1998-01-01 Michigan 21 vs. Washington State (+8) 16
1998-01-01 Ohio State 14 vs. Florida State (-7) 31
1998-01-02 Auburn 21 vs. Clemson (+7) 17
1998-01-02 Tennessee 17 vs. Nebraska (-7?) 42
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1996 Date
1996-12-19 Ball State 15 vs. Nevada (-6) 18
1996-12-25 Navy 42 vs. California (-1) 38
1996-12-27 Houston 17 vs. Syracuse (-15?) 30
1996-12-27 Virginia 21 vs. Miami-Florida (-3?) 31
1996-12-27 Wisconsin 38 vs. Utah (+7) 10
1996-12-28 Clemson 7 vs. Louisiana State (-6?) 10
1996-12-29 Iowa 27 vs. Texas Tech (-4) 0
1996-12-30 Colorado 33 vs. Washington (+5) 21
1996-12-31 Michigan State 0 vs. Stanford (+7) 38
1996-12-31 Army 29 vs. Auburn (-9) 32
1996-12-31 Virginia Tech 21 vs. Nebraska (-15?) 41
1997-01-01 Michigan 14 vs. Alabama (+1) 17
1997-01-01 West Virginia 13 vs. North Carolina (-5?) 20
1997-01-01 Northwestern 28 vs. Tennessee (-8) 48
1997-01-01 Brigham Young 19 vs. Kansas State (-3) 15
1997-01-01 Ohio State 20 vs. Arizona State (+2) 17
1997-01-01 Texas 15 vs. Penn State (+1) 38
1997-01-02 Florida 52 vs. Florida State (+3) 20
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1995 Date
1995-12-14 Toledo 40 vs. Nevada 37
1995-12-25 Kansas 51 vs. UC.L.A. (-5) 30
1995-12-27 Air Force 41 vs. Texas Tech (-4?) 55
1995-12-28 Michigan 20 vs. Texas A+M (+3) 22
1995-12-29 Kansas State 54 vs. Colorado State (+9) 21
1995-12-29 Michigan State 26 vs. Louisiana State (-6?) 45
1995-12-29 Washington 18 vs. Iowa (+5?) 38
1995-12-30 North Carolina 20 vs. Arkansas (+2) 10
1995-12-30 Georgia 27 vs. Virginia (-6?) 34
1995-12-30 Stanford 13 vs. East Carolina (+4) 19
1995-12-31 Virginia Tech 28 vs. Texas (Pk) 10
1996-01-01 Florida State 31 vs. Notre Dame (+11) 26
1996-01-01 Northwestern 32 vs. Southern California (-4?) 41
1996-01-01 Ohio State 14 vs. Tennessee (+5?) 20
1996-01-01 Oregon 6 vs. Colorado (-6?) 38
1996-01-01 Syracuse 41 vs. Clemson (-2) 0
1996-01-01 Auburn 14 vs. Penn State (-2) 43
1996-01-02 Florida 24 vs. Nebraska (-3) 62
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1994 Date
1994-12-15 Central Michigan 24 at Nevada-Las Vegas 52
1994-12-25 Boston College 12 vs. Kansas State (Pk) 7
1994-12-27 Arizona 13 vs. Utah (+5) 16
1994-12-28 Virginia 20 vs. Texas Christian (+10) 10
1994-12-29 Oklahoma 6 vs. Brigham Young (+2?) 31
1994-12-30 North Carolina 31 vs. Texas (-1) 35
1994-12-30 Virginia Tech 23 vs. Tennessee (-6?) 45
1994-12-30 Michigan 24 vs. Colorado State (+8) 14
1994-12-31 Illinois 30 vs. East Carolina (+7) 0
1994-12-31 Washington State 10 vs. Baylor (+4) 3
1995-01-01 Nebraska 24 at Miami-Florida (-2) 17
1995-01-01 Mississippi State 24 vs. No Carolina State (+5?) 28
1995-01-02 Florida State 23 vs. Florida (-3) 17
1995-01-02 Colorado 41 vs. Notre Dame (+7) 24
1995-01-02 Ohio State 17 vs. Alabama (-5?) 24
1995-01-02 Penn State 38 vs. Oregon (+17) 20
1995-01-02 Southern California 55 vs. Texas Tech (+5?) 14
1995-01-02 South Carolina 24 vs. West Virginia (-1?) 21
1995-01-02 Wisconsin 34 vs. Duke (+6) 20
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1993 Date
1993-12-17 Ball State 33 vs. Utah State 42
1993-12-24 Texas Tech 10 vs. Oklahoma (-7?) 41
1993-12-25 Fresno State 30 vs. Colorado (-8) 41
1993-12-28 Louisville 18 vs. Michigan State (+2?) 7
1993-12-29 Wyoming 17 vs. Kansas State (-3) 52
1993-12-30 Southern California 28 vs. Utah (+17) 21
1993-12-30 Brigham Young 21 vs. Ohio State (-14) 28
1993-12-31 Clemson 14 vs. Kentucky (+2?) 13
1993-12-31 Alabama 24 vs. North Carolina (-2?) 10
1993-12-31 Iowa 3 vs. California (-9) 37
1993-12-31 Virginia Tech 45 vs. Indiana (+3) 20
1994-01-01 Florida State 18 vs. Nebraska (+17?) 16
1994-01-01 Miami-Florida 0 vs. Arizona (+5?) 29
1994-01-01 Michigan 42 vs. No Carolina State (+14) 7
1994-01-01 Notre Dame 24 vs. Texas A+M (+6) 21
1994-01-01 Penn State 31 vs. Tennessee (-9) 13
1994-01-01 UC.L.A. 16 vs. Wisconsin (+7) 21
1994-01-01 West Virginia 7 vs. Florida (-6?) 41
1994-01-01 Boston College 31 vs. Virginia (+5?) 13
1998 Date
1998-12-19 North Carolina 20 vs. San Diego State (+7) 13
1998-12-23 Louisville 29 vs. Marshall (+3?) 48
1998-12-25 Colorado 51 vs. Oregon (-5?) 43
1998-12-25 Air Force 45 vs. Washington (+3?) 25
1998-12-26 West Virginia 31 vs. Missouri (-3?) 34
1998-12-29 Alabama 7 vs. Virginia Tech (-5) 38
1998-12-29 No Carolina State 23 vs. Miami-Florida (-7) 46
1998-12-29 Kansas State 34 vs. Purdue (+12?) 37
1998-12-30 Southern Miss 35 vs. Idaho (+15?) 42
1998-12-30 Arizona 23 vs. Nebraska (-3) 20
1998-12-31 Brigham Young 27 vs. Tulane (-7) 41
1998-12-31 Texas Christian 28 vs. Southern California (-16) 19
1998-12-31 Georgia 35 vs. Virginia (-2) 33
1998-12-31 Texas Tech 18 vs. Mississippi (+9?) 35
1999-01-01 Penn State 26 vs. Kentucky (+6?) 14
1999-01-01 Notre Dame 28 vs. Georgia Tech (-1?) 35
1999-01-01 Michigan 45 vs. Arkansas (+3) 31
1999-01-01 Texas 38 vs. Mississippi State (+6?) 11
1999-01-01 UC.L.A. 31 vs. Wisconsin (+9?) 38
1999-01-01 Ohio State 24 vs. Texas A+M (+12?) 14
1999-01-02 Syracuse 10 vs. Florida (-7?) 31
1999-01-04 Florida State 16 vs. Tennessee (+5) 23
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1997 Date
1997-12-20 Oregon 41 vs. Air Force (+3?) 13
1997-12-25 Michigan State 23 vs. Washington (-5) 51
1997-12-26 Mississippi 34 vs. Marshall (+3) 31
1997-12-27 Arizona 20 vs. New Mexico (+9?) 14
1997-12-28 Notre Dame 9 vs. Louisiana State (-7) 27
1997-12-29 Cincinnati 35 vs. Utah State (+6) 19
1997-12-29 Georgia Tech 35 vs. West Virginia (+1) 30
1997-12-29 Missouri 24 vs. Colorado State (-6) 35
1997-12-30 Purdue 33 vs. Oklahoma State (+3) 20
1997-12-31 Iowa 7 vs. Arizona State (+2) 17
1997-12-31 Pittsburgh 7 vs. Southern Miss (-8?) 41
1997-12-31 Kansas State 35 vs. Syracuse (+3?) 18
1998-01-01 Wisconsin 6 vs. Georgia (-8?) 33
1998-01-01 Virginia Tech 3 vs. North Carolina (-12?) 42
1998-01-01 Penn State 6 vs. Florida (-10) 21
1998-01-01 UC.L.A. 29 vs. Texas A+M (+10) 23
1998-01-01 Michigan 21 vs. Washington State (+8) 16
1998-01-01 Ohio State 14 vs. Florida State (-7) 31
1998-01-02 Auburn 21 vs. Clemson (+7) 17
1998-01-02 Tennessee 17 vs. Nebraska (-7?) 42
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1996 Date
1996-12-19 Ball State 15 vs. Nevada (-6) 18
1996-12-25 Navy 42 vs. California (-1) 38
1996-12-27 Houston 17 vs. Syracuse (-15?) 30
1996-12-27 Virginia 21 vs. Miami-Florida (-3?) 31
1996-12-27 Wisconsin 38 vs. Utah (+7) 10
1996-12-28 Clemson 7 vs. Louisiana State (-6?) 10
1996-12-29 Iowa 27 vs. Texas Tech (-4) 0
1996-12-30 Colorado 33 vs. Washington (+5) 21
1996-12-31 Michigan State 0 vs. Stanford (+7) 38
1996-12-31 Army 29 vs. Auburn (-9) 32
1996-12-31 Virginia Tech 21 vs. Nebraska (-15?) 41
1997-01-01 Michigan 14 vs. Alabama (+1) 17
1997-01-01 West Virginia 13 vs. North Carolina (-5?) 20
1997-01-01 Northwestern 28 vs. Tennessee (-8) 48
1997-01-01 Brigham Young 19 vs. Kansas State (-3) 15
1997-01-01 Ohio State 20 vs. Arizona State (+2) 17
1997-01-01 Texas 15 vs. Penn State (+1) 38
1997-01-02 Florida 52 vs. Florida State (+3) 20
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1995 Date
1995-12-14 Toledo 40 vs. Nevada 37
1995-12-25 Kansas 51 vs. UC.L.A. (-5) 30
1995-12-27 Air Force 41 vs. Texas Tech (-4?) 55
1995-12-28 Michigan 20 vs. Texas A+M (+3) 22
1995-12-29 Kansas State 54 vs. Colorado State (+9) 21
1995-12-29 Michigan State 26 vs. Louisiana State (-6?) 45
1995-12-29 Washington 18 vs. Iowa (+5?) 38
1995-12-30 North Carolina 20 vs. Arkansas (+2) 10
1995-12-30 Georgia 27 vs. Virginia (-6?) 34
1995-12-30 Stanford 13 vs. East Carolina (+4) 19
1995-12-31 Virginia Tech 28 vs. Texas (Pk) 10
1996-01-01 Florida State 31 vs. Notre Dame (+11) 26
1996-01-01 Northwestern 32 vs. Southern California (-4?) 41
1996-01-01 Ohio State 14 vs. Tennessee (+5?) 20
1996-01-01 Oregon 6 vs. Colorado (-6?) 38
1996-01-01 Syracuse 41 vs. Clemson (-2) 0
1996-01-01 Auburn 14 vs. Penn State (-2) 43
1996-01-02 Florida 24 vs. Nebraska (-3) 62
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1994 Date
1994-12-15 Central Michigan 24 at Nevada-Las Vegas 52
1994-12-25 Boston College 12 vs. Kansas State (Pk) 7
1994-12-27 Arizona 13 vs. Utah (+5) 16
1994-12-28 Virginia 20 vs. Texas Christian (+10) 10
1994-12-29 Oklahoma 6 vs. Brigham Young (+2?) 31
1994-12-30 North Carolina 31 vs. Texas (-1) 35
1994-12-30 Virginia Tech 23 vs. Tennessee (-6?) 45
1994-12-30 Michigan 24 vs. Colorado State (+8) 14
1994-12-31 Illinois 30 vs. East Carolina (+7) 0
1994-12-31 Washington State 10 vs. Baylor (+4) 3
1995-01-01 Nebraska 24 at Miami-Florida (-2) 17
1995-01-01 Mississippi State 24 vs. No Carolina State (+5?) 28
1995-01-02 Florida State 23 vs. Florida (-3) 17
1995-01-02 Colorado 41 vs. Notre Dame (+7) 24
1995-01-02 Ohio State 17 vs. Alabama (-5?) 24
1995-01-02 Penn State 38 vs. Oregon (+17) 20
1995-01-02 Southern California 55 vs. Texas Tech (+5?) 14
1995-01-02 South Carolina 24 vs. West Virginia (-1?) 21
1995-01-02 Wisconsin 34 vs. Duke (+6) 20
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1993 Date
1993-12-17 Ball State 33 vs. Utah State 42
1993-12-24 Texas Tech 10 vs. Oklahoma (-7?) 41
1993-12-25 Fresno State 30 vs. Colorado (-8) 41
1993-12-28 Louisville 18 vs. Michigan State (+2?) 7
1993-12-29 Wyoming 17 vs. Kansas State (-3) 52
1993-12-30 Southern California 28 vs. Utah (+17) 21
1993-12-30 Brigham Young 21 vs. Ohio State (-14) 28
1993-12-31 Clemson 14 vs. Kentucky (+2?) 13
1993-12-31 Alabama 24 vs. North Carolina (-2?) 10
1993-12-31 Iowa 3 vs. California (-9) 37
1993-12-31 Virginia Tech 45 vs. Indiana (+3) 20
1994-01-01 Florida State 18 vs. Nebraska (+17?) 16
1994-01-01 Miami-Florida 0 vs. Arizona (+5?) 29
1994-01-01 Michigan 42 vs. No Carolina State (+14) 7
1994-01-01 Notre Dame 24 vs. Texas A+M (+6) 21
1994-01-01 Penn State 31 vs. Tennessee (-9) 13
1994-01-01 UC.L.A. 16 vs. Wisconsin (+7) 21
1994-01-01 West Virginia 7 vs. Florida (-6?) 41
1994-01-01 Boston College 31 vs. Virginia (+5?) 13
WOW THANKS FOR THE INFO.......................actually information overload................it seems that the line really doesn't matter either way whoever you like winss and covers especially last year. Thanks again now if you just want to type down the dogs I should bet and I will be OK (LOL)
goldsheet article on underdogs:
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BOWL FAVORITES/UNDERDOGS
We've been keeping a close watch on bowl underdogs for the past few decades, and with good reason. For the most part, the bowl "short" has been a positive pointspread proposition, moreso at the higher pointspreads. Dogs getting 7 or more have been solid pointspreads. for most of the past 29 years. Still, it's worth noting that despite cumulative positive marks compiled by the underdogs (especially the bigger dogs), such patterns remain cyclical, as we've said many times before, that no technical trend or angle is ever etched in granite, and to blindly follow any past trend or pattern is not advised. Indeed, There have been some extended stretches of time when bowl underdogs enjoyed little success vs. the spread. As always, proceed with caution.
Still, common sense mandates that we acknowledge historical performance. Along that "cyclical" theme, please note that bowl underdogs fared well between 1974-87, recording a 112-77 spread mark during that span. They continued on the plus side until 1992, when a noticeable shift in bowl results began. A period of favorite-slanted postseason results commenced, the chalk rolling up a 62-44 edge over the next six bowl seasons. Dogs, however, have returned with a lot of bite since 1998, as underlined by a 74-48 mark vs. the line the past five campaigns.
Such numbers invite further refinement. And, upon inspection, please note that bowl favorites have generally come up short in pre-New Year's bowls. Indeed, far short the past three seasons (dogs 37-15 vs. line in those games since 2000, including 13-6 last year). And that makes some sense. Keep in mind that polls and rankings aren't usually considerations in such games. Some of those early-bowl favorites tend to be disappointed "bowlers" after falling short of often-loftier preseason goals, while underdogs, some often thrilled merely with the opportunity to play in a bowl, approach the contest with a bit more gusto. The early bowls are often played in front of less-than-capacity crowds, making the entire scenario a far different one than experienced during the regular season. The dynamics are often much different. Certain pre-New Year's bowls have featured unmistakable dog success in recent years, most notably the Sun (dog 11-1-2 last 14), Peach (8-2 last 11; one pick 'em) and Independence (11-4 last 15) in recent years. Note some scheduling quirks this year, however, as a few traditional "early" bowls, such as the Peach and Humanitarian, are being played after New Year's Day this year. Go figure!
On the other hand, New Year's (and after) bowls have been favorite-dominated for several seasons. That "chalk trend" has generally followed an interesting parallel with the NFL, which has often seen its post-wildcard trend favorites perform well since the early '90s. And the rationale makes sense. Those New Year's bowl favorites usually represent the "cream" of the college football crop, often well-equipped offensively and well-motivated with rankings, and, sometimes, national titles on the line, to extend a margin, not adverse to "pouring it on" and leaving little chance for a desperate comeback by the trailing squad, thus lessening the chance at any resulting "backdoor" cover possibilities. Despite the aforementioned success of underdogs in pre-New Year's bowls the past three years, the "chalk" stands 15-8 against the line in New Year's or later bowls that span. Note that in "national title" Bowl Alliance or BCS games since the 1995 season, only twice has a contest been decided by fewer than 17 points (Tennessee's Fiesta Bowl win over Florida State after the '98 campaign and Ohio State's OT thriller vs. Miami-Florida last January).
If one thing has remained constant for the past 29 years, it has been the success of the biggest bowl underdogs dogs, those getting 7 points or more. The "short" has recorded a 92-60 (61%) spread mark in bowls since '74 with spreads of 7 or more, with the biggest dogs (those getting 14 points or more) covering 16 of 24 chances.
BOWL UNDERDOGS SINCE 1974
Underdog by... 1-3 3?-6? 7-13? 14-over TOTAL
1974-79 6-10 15-13 17-8 2-1 40-32
1980-89 32-26 32-28 17-8 4-2 85-64
1990 2-1 2-3 4-2 1-0 9-6
1991 3-2 4-2 1-3 1-0 9-7
1992 1-4 4-2 2-3 0-0 7-9
1993 1-2 2-4 3-2 3-1 9-9
1994 3-3 2-3 1-4 0-1 6-11
1995 2-4 5-4 1-1 0-0 8-9
1996 2-2 3-4 2-2 1-1 8-9
1997 0-4 2-6 3-5 0-0 5-15
1998 2-2 4-4 4-3 2-0 12-9
1999 8-1 5-5 2-1 1-0 16-7
2000 8-1 4-2 5-3 0-1 17-7
2001 3-6 6-3 4-1 0-1 13-11
2002 2-3 3-4 9-5 1-0 15-12
1990-2002 37-35 46-46 41-25 10-5 134-121
TOTALS ?74-?02 77-71 93-87 76-52 16-8 260-218
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BOWL FAVORITES/UNDERDOGS
We've been keeping a close watch on bowl underdogs for the past few decades, and with good reason. For the most part, the bowl "short" has been a positive pointspread proposition, moreso at the higher pointspreads. Dogs getting 7 or more have been solid pointspreads. for most of the past 29 years. Still, it's worth noting that despite cumulative positive marks compiled by the underdogs (especially the bigger dogs), such patterns remain cyclical, as we've said many times before, that no technical trend or angle is ever etched in granite, and to blindly follow any past trend or pattern is not advised. Indeed, There have been some extended stretches of time when bowl underdogs enjoyed little success vs. the spread. As always, proceed with caution.
Still, common sense mandates that we acknowledge historical performance. Along that "cyclical" theme, please note that bowl underdogs fared well between 1974-87, recording a 112-77 spread mark during that span. They continued on the plus side until 1992, when a noticeable shift in bowl results began. A period of favorite-slanted postseason results commenced, the chalk rolling up a 62-44 edge over the next six bowl seasons. Dogs, however, have returned with a lot of bite since 1998, as underlined by a 74-48 mark vs. the line the past five campaigns.
Such numbers invite further refinement. And, upon inspection, please note that bowl favorites have generally come up short in pre-New Year's bowls. Indeed, far short the past three seasons (dogs 37-15 vs. line in those games since 2000, including 13-6 last year). And that makes some sense. Keep in mind that polls and rankings aren't usually considerations in such games. Some of those early-bowl favorites tend to be disappointed "bowlers" after falling short of often-loftier preseason goals, while underdogs, some often thrilled merely with the opportunity to play in a bowl, approach the contest with a bit more gusto. The early bowls are often played in front of less-than-capacity crowds, making the entire scenario a far different one than experienced during the regular season. The dynamics are often much different. Certain pre-New Year's bowls have featured unmistakable dog success in recent years, most notably the Sun (dog 11-1-2 last 14), Peach (8-2 last 11; one pick 'em) and Independence (11-4 last 15) in recent years. Note some scheduling quirks this year, however, as a few traditional "early" bowls, such as the Peach and Humanitarian, are being played after New Year's Day this year. Go figure!
On the other hand, New Year's (and after) bowls have been favorite-dominated for several seasons. That "chalk trend" has generally followed an interesting parallel with the NFL, which has often seen its post-wildcard trend favorites perform well since the early '90s. And the rationale makes sense. Those New Year's bowl favorites usually represent the "cream" of the college football crop, often well-equipped offensively and well-motivated with rankings, and, sometimes, national titles on the line, to extend a margin, not adverse to "pouring it on" and leaving little chance for a desperate comeback by the trailing squad, thus lessening the chance at any resulting "backdoor" cover possibilities. Despite the aforementioned success of underdogs in pre-New Year's bowls the past three years, the "chalk" stands 15-8 against the line in New Year's or later bowls that span. Note that in "national title" Bowl Alliance or BCS games since the 1995 season, only twice has a contest been decided by fewer than 17 points (Tennessee's Fiesta Bowl win over Florida State after the '98 campaign and Ohio State's OT thriller vs. Miami-Florida last January).
If one thing has remained constant for the past 29 years, it has been the success of the biggest bowl underdogs dogs, those getting 7 points or more. The "short" has recorded a 92-60 (61%) spread mark in bowls since '74 with spreads of 7 or more, with the biggest dogs (those getting 14 points or more) covering 16 of 24 chances.
BOWL UNDERDOGS SINCE 1974
Underdog by... 1-3 3?-6? 7-13? 14-over TOTAL
1974-79 6-10 15-13 17-8 2-1 40-32
1980-89 32-26 32-28 17-8 4-2 85-64
1990 2-1 2-3 4-2 1-0 9-6
1991 3-2 4-2 1-3 1-0 9-7
1992 1-4 4-2 2-3 0-0 7-9
1993 1-2 2-4 3-2 3-1 9-9
1994 3-3 2-3 1-4 0-1 6-11
1995 2-4 5-4 1-1 0-0 8-9
1996 2-2 3-4 2-2 1-1 8-9
1997 0-4 2-6 3-5 0-0 5-15
1998 2-2 4-4 4-3 2-0 12-9
1999 8-1 5-5 2-1 1-0 16-7
2000 8-1 4-2 5-3 0-1 17-7
2001 3-6 6-3 4-1 0-1 13-11
2002 2-3 3-4 9-5 1-0 15-12
1990-2002 37-35 46-46 41-25 10-5 134-121
TOTALS ?74-?02 77-71 93-87 76-52 16-8 260-218
Thanks IE Great job as always. #'s speak louder than words
Will "borrow" these #'s from you next year if you don't mind.
Will "borrow" these #'s from you next year if you don't mind.
Thanks IE, great info, i had only the last 5 years which really points out the way alot of people are going--with the Dogs (as am i so far damnit)...I just hope we are not in the middle of a 1997 type of year...
Kansas +12 2 units
Kansas ML 1 unit
Good Luck...
:thinking:
Kansas +12 2 units
Kansas ML 1 unit
Good Luck...
:thinking:
And I still say there was a year, must have been in the 80's,where less than 5 dogs covered vs the opening line.The dogs are 0-3 this year.The Gold sheet article was saying the same thing I was rrc,keep betting the dogs blindly and you will eventually get your bank account emptied and your clock cleaned.Then again thats how you learn,but I was just trying to save you the time and bad experience.