who are legit live underdogs in upcoming bouts?

[gardenweasel]

a s-itpotload of action upcoming......on the oly board and that "other" excellent boxing book....

just curious....if anybody cares to throw out a few names of what they consider legit,live dogs......if not,o.k.....

just looks like not all these favorites are lead pipe cinches......imo...here`s some stuff...not selections...just food for thought...

lot`s of action upcoming in the next few months....and not all these faves are lead pipe cinches....a few that i`d say are not impossible to see upsets in...

1)mundine-echols....the echols layoff...the gunshot...the home court....if mundine doesn`t get stupid and try to exchange shots,i can see him having a decent shot....we`ll find out how legit lil` tony is....had a lot of excuses after the ottke loss...can he win?..will he?....i`d be more willing to wager that he can last some rounds....haven`t seen mundine...tough for me to say...

2)freitas-barrios.....barrios ,from all accounts is a very tough hombre.....was a straight ahead banger early in his career...from what i read,he has refined his style and now is a little more technically sound...i`ve never seen the guy,though.....only loss is a d.q....

3)teddy reid-elio ortiz......reid is a very tall,tough guy...can get you out of there early...ortiz is a very busy guy...has been stopped a few times,but always late in his bouts....took mayorga 10 rounds to get him out of there....if reid doesn`t get ortiz early,ortiz` work rate may cause a problem....ortiz just beat ray oliveira in ray`s backyard....outworked him...that doesn`t usually happen to oliveira(but to be fair,oliveira is on the downside of his career)....

4)juan(the hispanic causing panic....love that moniker) lazcano-stevie johnston....it all depends on what stevie has left......a lefty...a decent defensive fighter.....had some wars with castillo who gave mayweather some problems in their bouts....lazcano is naturally bigger and taller....is very busy....good body puncher.....not a tremendous one punch banger....

he`s a little wild at times and can be wide with his shots....if johnston has something left,and he just might,he could make it very difficult for lazcano....unless lazcano is just plain to big and strong....is he stronger than jose luis castillo?..thet`d be tough...castillo is very strong...something like 44-4 with around 40 k.o.`s....and johnston probably won the second bout between the two...

stevie has recent wins over tough,tough,alejandro gonzales and ever beleno....

if stevie still has something,this one looks very possible....

5)fernando montiel-mark (too sharp) johnson....my gut here is that johnson isn`t the same since the rafael marquez beatings.....but,in fairness,that was at 118....johnson may just have been in with to big a guy....by the time they hit the ring,my guess is that marquez was a good deal bigger than johnson...and marquez can punch... just ask tim austin....

johnson has never lost at 115 or under.....but,montiel is an excellent fighter...excellent bloodlines....not necessarily a big,big one punch power guy,but,an excellent combination puncher that does hurt guys...is getting most opponents out of there at this light weight...i`m waiting for eric morel to get in with irene pacheco or montiel...then,i believe the jig is up for overrated morel...

the lefty stance....johnson is slick....if montiel doesn`t overwhelm johnson or has trouble with mark`s style,who knows.....

but montiel is the goods....johnson probably has to much wear and tear...but johnson was dominant at 115...probably montiel...maybe easily...another one where alot depends on what is left in the tank for the dog....+330...that`s a little high,imo...

6)juan manuel marquez-derrick "smoke" gainer....let me say from the top,that i am a huge marquez fan....i love the guy`s style....he breaks opponents down..in typical mexican style...up and down,to the body and the head....a beautiful guy to watch...and imo,a real,legit challenge to morales and barrera...his problem,i think,is that he can occasionally be a little to economical with his punches...

gainer is probably a very bad choice of opponents for marquez...this guy is the wild card of the featherweight division...a real spoiler....that lefty stance...the height...and some dangerous punching power....

gainer handled what was a budding superstar in freddie "lil hagler" norwood....another tough lefty that has knocked down and beaten marquez....norwood put marquez on the canvas and juan manuel became very conservative for the remainder of the fight...a strange awkward bout...not marquez` shining moment...

if this awkward lefty style still causes problem`s for marquez,gainer may be a problem....it`s possible....i hope not...i`m looking forward to seeing marquez vs barrera and morales....

i don`t expect gainer to roll over here...

7)baby joe mesi-davarryl williamson......if this were anywhere but buffalo,i`d be taking a flyer on williamson.....a stringbean,very thin but tall(6`4")...and can really punch.....has hung tough and dispatched a tough corey "t rex" sanders" who was enormous and on a bit of a roll himself...

but mesi reminds me of paul spadafora and sven ottke....you just can`t get them away from home....

i`m not entirely sold on mesi...i suspect that he won`t see a real opponent at a neutral site until he`s fighting for one of the bogus titles....and THAT will probably be in buffalo as well...i hope williamson can end this dog and pony show.....probably not,but he has a punchers chance....

8)markus beyer-danny green.......have some people telling me green is very tough...they love him in this bout ..16-0 w/16 k.o.`s.....very sketchy competition,though..and it`s in germany......and the guys that hipped me to him are aussie`s themselves(lol)....what`d i expect? .....aussie,aussie....oi..oi..oi....lmao.....

trying to dig up some more on ole danny....



i`m not necessarily touting them as picks or plays....but just some info ...some food for thought...
g.l. guys...

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Looking at:
Johnson over Montiel +300
Barrios over Freitas by decision +1000

Trying not to play any dogs, but
these look tempting.

bl

 

[BOXLOCKS]

GW
We are the legit live dogs!
Obviously no one thinks we
can win capping boxing, so
we in fact are the live dogs.

Once again I am calling out
all of you boxing fans to get
on board and start winning
with the rest of us!!!

bl

 

[Clutch Cargo]

BoxLocks,

Plan on coat tailing your plays as I don't cap boxing, but enjoy watching with a little $ in play. I noticed Olympic has a lot of boxing. Here in Vegas, very little boxing odds. Other than Olympic, what other books put up a lot of matches and worth getting an account opened. Good luck and hope to ride you and GW and cash!

Thanks,

Clutch

 

[BOXLOCKS]

CC
Olympic is back in a big way,
right now they have the most
lines out of all the sponsor books
here at M.J.'s. They also offer more
props on fight outcomes than any
other book I've seen. But there is
one non-sponsor book that you
should know about, here is the
riddle:

How would you make 50 cents with
the smallest amount of coins without
using quarters?

Answer that and add the usual
before and afters. Let me know
if you don't figure it out.

bl

 

[Clutch Cargo]

Figured out the riddle. Thanks for the info and good luck to all.

Clutch

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Barrios by decision +1000
Johnson over Montiel +300

Looks like I wasn't too far off!!!

bl

 

[gardenweasel]

my buddy,yak

my buddy,yak

that`s why you have to hedge vs top fighters......i`m a little shocked that johnson still has enough to beat the top guys....

i feel very fortunate to have hedged........it`s been a good weekend....let`s do it again next week

 

[yak rider]

great weekend gw. took your advice and hedged myself with johnson and actually won on a fight that montiel was my favorite. that is only cause i followed fletch's lead and played montiel to win within the distance. would have won more if montiel would have won but anyway....... wasn't he pitiful early on? don't believe i ever saw a mexican fighter that hesitant for the first six or seven rounds. now was johnson a one fight wonder for a rebound or does he have anything left?

 

[fletcher]

oscar goes down again the man has his number

 

[BOXLOCKS]

And the over for 2 units!!!
Mosely won't ko Oscar

Mosely by decision +230 1/2 unit
Draw +1500 small play

bl

 

[yak rider]

just read an article on the web that emmanuel steward (lewis' trainer) has just started an association (training?) with tye fields/ hmmmm does this point in the direction of lewis retiring and more importantly for this thread, does this indicate his valued and experienced opinion of fields as a fighter? i think it might mean he sees something in fields as i wouldn't think he would want to hook up with a maybe especially after being with lewis.


just some more imput

 

[yak rider]

oops

oops

lol sorry put this in the wrong thread. meant to put it in the tye fields thread. but don't feel like re typing the whole thing. :shrug:

 

[badjab]

Oscar and the hand

Oscar and the hand

By Steve Springer, Times Staff Writer


BIG BEAR ? Less than a month before his rematch against Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya has reinjured his left hand sufficiently to suspend sparring sessions, undergo medical tests and wonder if it will cut short his career.

De La Hoya, however, vows that his Sept. 13 super-welterweight title fight against Mosley at Las Vegas' MGM Grand Garden Arena will not be postponed. And both De La Hoya's promoter, Bob Arum, and his physical therapist, Anthony Garcia, are downplaying the severity of the injury.

"Everybody who says it is fine," De La Hoya said, "doesn't feel the pain."

The pain has bothered De La Hoya for some time. The damaged area is just above the wrist. De La Hoya complained about it in a fight against Felix Trinidad in September 1999 and the first Mosley match in June 2000.

"It was always bothering me, but we are fighters and we have to tough it out," he said at the time.

In December 2001, De La Hoya canceled a fight against Roman Karmazin in order to have torn cartilage removed from the wrist.

But he reinjured the hand in 2002, causing him to postpone a fight against Fernando Vargas, and then strained it last May in his fight against Yory Boy Campas.

De La Hoya wore a soft cast until the injury healed and has been wearing a protective brace in camp to shield the tender area, but Friday, in a sparring session, he threw a punch that caused the shock waves of pain to return.

"When I felt the pain," he said, "all these bad things came into my head. [I thought], 'Oh, I'm going to have to postpone the fight. Oh, my career is over.' But that only lasted two minutes. This fight will not be postponed. I have trained too hard for it to be postponed. I won't do it. It will be good. Everything will be fine."

But then, contradicting himself, De La Hoya admitted everything is not fine.

"When I hit something with a solid punch with the left hand," he said, "there is a pinching feeling. When I punch hard, it's there. I can't do anything about it. It doesn't go away. I don't think it will ever go away."

De La Hoya hasn't sparred since Friday, losing time especially crucial this close to the fight. With his physician, Tony Daly, not due to return to town until sometime next week, De La Hoya plans to return to sparring this Friday, but says he will use only his right hand.

"I'm not at all concerned," Garcia said. "There is no swelling. The pain levels are down. It is a compression injury caused by straight blows. It will flare up from time to time because of the surgery. We are using rehabilitation [therapy] to build the hand up."

While De La Hoya wouldn't concede that the Mosley fight was in danger of being put on hold, he didn't hesitate when asked if the injury could prematurely end his career.

"Positively," he said. "If you're fighting guys who want to kill you, you can't go in there with one hand."