Why Obama is a complete turn-ff (politically)

[dr. freeze]

1. He favors giving money to those who don't pay taxes. Yes many of those in the lower tax brackets get refunds and don't pay a cent of payroll taxes. He now wants to pay them for working as little as possible. Call it socialism, communism, extreme liberalism, whatever. A pig is still a pig no matter how much makeup you put on it.

2. His religion. He went to Rev. Wright's black liberation church for 20 years. This is not a unifying theme.

3. His record. He has shown a consistent effort to not make tough decisions by voting "present" over 100 times. This is definitely not the indecisiveness we need in a leader.

4. His lack of control of his campaign. It seems like his campaign puts out statements that he didn't endorse (see slam on Palin minutes after she was announced that he later denounced). he makes stupid comments (see a pig with lipstick) and then acts like it was taken out of context (after most of his crowd clearly reacted as if they knew what it referred to). Now he blames the media/McCain for reacting to his stupid political move/blunder. Do we really want a guy who mumbles without his teleprompter negotiating with world leaders?

5. Speaking of which, do we want this guy negotiating anything? What is his experience in negotiation? (Other than with Bill Ayers, terrorist).

6. Energy. Don't think for a second he won't follow company line and refuse to drill off the coast and in other reserves. Why would OPEC take him seriously when he lobbies for increased output when he won't drill at home?

7. The economy. His plan to increase taxes on the upper class (which creates jobs) and businesses (which creates jobs) and capital gains (which creates jobs through investments) is a horrible idea. Even he is starting to admit as such.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

-Please point out where Obama talks about giving refunds to people that don't pay taxes. I'm sure you have examples, since you led with it.

-McCain could pick anyone he wanted for VP, and he chose someone that goes to a church where people scream in jibberish. Nice.

-Were you in a coma when people were attacking his wife and then Biden? This stuff happens on both sides, get your head out of the sand.

-Please compare the candidates' negotiations for me. I'm hearing that Obama can't do it, show me examples of what McCain has done on his own. I'm not sure what's out there, so I intend to be educated. Hook me up.

-Hmmmm. Decreasing taxes on the people that buy the wealthy people's stuff sounds like a good plan too. See, this is what is called a viscious circle. You say the wealthy need all the money to create business, but I say the little people need the money to buy the stuff. We never really get anywhere, but you can keep reciting Hannity all you want. FYI, the rich people wanted us to goto war with Iraq, I think they should help pay for it.

 

[Trench]

6. Energy. Don't think for a second he won't follow company line and refuse to drill off the coast and in other reserves. Why would OPEC take him seriously when he lobbies for increased output when he won't drill at home?

Yeah, OPEC's pretty worried we're gonna expand our offshore leases and increase our domestic supply by 1-2% in 20 years (the Dept. of Energy's own estimate). Laughable.

 

[saint]

-Hmmmm. Decreasing taxes on the people that buy the wealthy people's stuff sounds like a good plan too. See, this is what is called a viscious circle. You say the wealthy need all the money to create business, but I say the little people need the money to buy the stuff. We never really get anywhere, but you can keep reciting Hannity all you want. FYI, the rich people wanted us to goto war with Iraq, I think they should help pay for it.

I can personally give you an example in my life. If Obama becomes president and raises taxes to upper income people like he probably will, I will have to either cut benefits for some of my staff or let some go. I know most people assume that the taxes will just hit me in my wallet and I have more than enough to spend. The cost of education is soaring, families are tightening spending, overhead increases and profit shrinks. At the end of the day, I have more of a responsibility to my family than to my staff, unfortunately. As practice owner with 20 employees, with a slumping economy and business down, tax increases will leave me no choice but to pass it on to my employees. This in turn will trickles down to their spouses and children, and then ultimately the economy when they are struggling at home.

I don't profess to have the answers but that's the reality for my employees.

 

[Sun Tzu]

On the taxes he wants to give a check to everyone whether they pay taxes or not. Essentially $500-1500. His so called "tax cut" is not a cutting of tax rates nor a change in the eligibility in rates. He just wants to send the bottom 95% money - kind of like those stimulas package checks Bush has used that frankly dont work.

He wants to then add 3-5% to the top tax bracket, raise SS withholdings, and end the SS cap. That's the money to pay for the checks and his new programs.

The real problem is even if you buy into his tax cut notions he is only adding $80-90 billion in revenue - just a fraction of what he needs to pay for his proposed programs. So he will raise taxes and debt - not exactly a fundamentally sound economic plan for rich, poor, or middle class.

He is finally seeing that and backing off his "raising taxes" plan but still on message re; "cutting taxes for 95% of American." It simply isnt true obviously and is just another of the lies from both sides, but it is the best "plus" he has in his policy plans.

 

[Trench]

7. The economy. His plan to increase taxes on the upper class (which creates jobs) and businesses (which creates jobs) and capital gains (which creates jobs through investments) is a horrible idea. Even he is starting to admit as such.

Ahhh... The ol' trickle-down theory. The only jobs trickle-down economics have created in the last 8 years are minimum wage jobs. Meanwhile the Wall Street Fat Cats have continued to erode our manufacturing base and the only thing we export any more are living wage jobs.

But hey, if you like working at Wal-Mart for $8 an hour with no little or no benefits, no union, no pension, no profit sharing, etc., then trickle-down economics probably look pretty good to you.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I can personally give you an example in my life. If Obama becomes president and raises taxes to upper income people like he probably will, I will have to either cut benefits for some of my staff or let some go. I know most people assume that the taxes will just hit me in my wallet and I have more than enough to spend. The cost of education is soaring, families are tightening spending, overhead increases and profit shrinks. At the end of the day, I have more of a responsibility to my family than to my staff, unfortunately. As practice owner with 20 employees, with a slumping economy and business down, tax increases will leave me no choice but to pass it on to my employees. This in turn will trickles down to their spouses and children, and then ultimately the economy when they are struggling at home.

I don't profess to have the answers but that's the reality for my employees.

This argument always kind of drives me nuts. I know you're a dentist and you are in practice for yourself, but at least you didn't play the "I'm going to have to close my business and find a job card". At what percentage tax increase do you have to take these measures?

I don't think that a dentist that would have to cut employees if his taxes were increased is what I would consider upper class, so I'd kind of throw you out of the scenario I was arguing....although I see your point.

 

[Happy Hippo]

I can personally give you an example in my life. If Obama becomes president and raises taxes to upper income people like he probably will, I will have to either cut benefits for some of my staff or let some go. I know most people assume that the taxes will just hit me in my wallet and I have more than enough to spend. The cost of education is soaring, families are tightening spending, overhead increases and profit shrinks. At the end of the day, I have more of a responsibility to my family than to my staff, unfortunately. As practice owner with 20 employees, with a slumping economy and business down, tax increases will leave me no choice but to pass it on to my employees. This in turn will trickles down to their spouses and children, and then ultimately the economy when they are struggling at home.

I don't profess to have the answers but that's the reality for my employees.

Your taxes will hit you in the wallet. How you choose to deal with it is a personal choice - don't try to blame it on the govt. Obama has proposed higher taxes only for those making more than $250k per year and more specifically the biggest increases for those in the top 3%. If you fit these demographics and cannot afford the extra tax and have to lay people off and add to the current 9%+ unemployment rate, that is sad indeed.

I always thought the beauty of our country was that anyone could live the dream if they put their mind to it. My parents were certainly in the lower middle class, but I was able to attend an expensive college and was taught to live simply. You should be able to make a good life for your children, and your employee's children, even with a few extra taxes.

 

[Trench]

3. His record. He has shown a consistent effort to not make tough decisions by voting "present" over 100 times. This is definitely not the indecisiveness we need in a leader.

Ummm... yeah, sorta like John McCain not bothering to show up for any of the eight votes on the Renewable Energy Bill over the past year and then having the kahonas to run ads during the Olympics showing fields of spinning wind turbines. The same wind turbines he refuses to cast a vote to subsidize with production tax credits (as well as investment tax credits for solar energy). But I guess BIG OIL wouldn't like it very much if Exxon John voted to support those industries, when they've already made him their bitch. They're funny that way.