Why the Ft. Hood Massacre Is George Bush's Fault

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I especially was interested in the last part of the story, talking about Cheney's failing Halliburton business, and remembering what company did oh so well after we attacked Iraq... but for many, that's not surprising - and pretty well understood. I don't think this article is a stretch at all, and I do think the actions (or inactions) of Bush and Co. are partly the reason there is so much hatred towards our country now. Of course, for a couple people around here, they still apparently think that Afghanistan and Iraq attacked US... :rolleyes:

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Why the Ft. Hood Massacre Is George Bush's Fault
By Thom Hartmann
Posted on November 11, 2009

If Bill Clinton - or, presumably, Al Gore (or even Ralph Nader) - had been President in 2001, the Ft. Hood massacre almost certainly wouldn't have happened. Because George W. Bush was president, it did. Here's why it's Bush's fault:

One of the first lessons aspiring novelists and screenwriters learn is that the goodness of a hero is defined by a single quality - the evil of his opponent. From Superman's Lex Luthor to Batman's Joker to Indiana Jones' Nazis to Luke Skywalker's Darth Vader, for a hero to be perceived as larger than life, he must have a larger than life enemy.

If Frodo in "Lord of the Rings," for example, hadn't been forced to do battle with the supernatural powers of the Ring and its minions, his story would have merely been a boring travelogue. But with an army of supernaturally brilliant, evil, and powerful opponents, Frodo had the opportunity to display his extraordinary inner courage and resourcefulness, qualities he didn't even realize he had until they were called forth by the peril of an awesome evil.

This is a lesson that was not lost on Karl Rove and George W. Bush. If they could recast George as the opponent of a power as great as the Ring, then the rather ordinary Dubya could become the extraordinary SuperGeorge, rising from his facileness to prevail over supernatural powers of evil.

Bill Clinton had a similar chance, but passed on it for the good of America and the world.

When bin Laden attacked us in the 1990s - several times - in an attempt to raise his own stature in the Islamic world, Bill Clinton dealt with Osama like the criminal he was. He enlisted Interpol and the police and investigative agencies of various nations, brought in our best intelligence agents, and missed bin Laden in a missile-launched assassination attempt by a scant twenty minutes (bringing derisive howls from Republicans that he was trying to "wag the dog" and deflect attention from the Monica investigations).

As Clinton left office, he and the CIA were tightening the noose on bin Laden, and his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, told me that when he briefed his successor, Condoleezza Rice, he told her to put bin Laden and al-Qaeda at the top of her priority list and thus finish the job the Clinton administration had nearly completed.

As we know, when Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, et al finally came up with the priorities for their new administration in January of 2001, al-Qaeda had been replaced by tax cuts for Bush's rich donors on the "A" list, and didn't even appear on the "B" list.

Thus came 9/11, despite over fifty explicit warnings given to the President, including the infamous August 6, 2001 CIA briefing in Crawford, Texas that in the immediate future al-Qaeda intended to hijack commercial planes and use them to attack east coast targets. (Bush apparently took the warnings seriously - Ashcroft immediately stopped flying on commercial aircraft, and Bush moved to Texas for the longest vacation in the history of the American presidency...and even when that was over, he preferred Florida to target-listed Washington, D.C.)

In the days after the 9/11 attacks - much as in the days after Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building - America had the sympathy of the world, and the police and intelligence agencies of even normally hostile nations offered to help us track down and bring to justice its perpetrators.

Muslims all over the world were horrified at the actions of one of their own, a fundamentalist turned criminal and murderer.

Mullah Omar of Afghanistan's Taliban first offered to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to us (Washington Post, Page 1, October 29, 2001, "Diplomats Met With Taliban On Bin Laden" by Ottaway and Stephens) and then made an explicit offer to arrest Bin Laden and try him for the crime of 9/11 (CNN, October 7, 2001, "US Rejects Taliban Offer To Try Bin Laden"; The Guardian, October 14, 2001, "Bush Rejects Taliban Offer To Hand Bin Laden Over").

It would have been so easy for Bush to accept Omar's offer, which had resulted, according to the Post, in over 20 diplomatic meetings and negotiations. The Justice Department could have arrested Bin Laden like they did McVeigh, helped the Taliban dismantle Bin Laden's training camps and track down their attendees and sponsors, and launch an international effort to disassemble and render impotent al-Qaeda.

It probably could have been done in a year or less, given the intensity of the worldwide empathy for citizens of America and the many other nations whose people died in the World Trade Center. Over 5000 American soldiers would still be alive, and tens of thousands would not have lost arms, legs, and eyes. Hundreds of thousands - possibly over a million - innocent Afghans and Iraqis would still be alive.

But Karl Rove knew that George W. Bush had a problem, and saw in bin Laden the solution. And didn't much give a damn what it would mean to American Muslims.

Bush had not defeated Al Gore fair and square, and was seen by most Americans as a spoiler, an illegitimate leader. As soon as the details of his proposed "supply side" voodoo economics hit the press in the first months of his presidency, the markets went into a nosedive.

And already there were stories circulating in the media of his cozy relationship with corrupt oil barons like Ken Lay and the secret energy meetings in the Spring of 2001 - before 9/11 - in which Cheney, Lay, and others in the oil industry were apparently carving up the oil fields of Iraq.

Bush, in short, was seen as a buffoonish pretender, an ineffectual manager, and a sellout to big oil and other scandal-ridden industries. He was the butt of late-night jokes, a former college cheerleader, a "dry drunk" (except when tempted by beer and pretzels), an inside trader, a small man on the national and international stage.

George W. desperately needed his own Lex Luthor if he was to reinvent himself as Superman.

Rove and Bush realized that if they simply branded Bin Laden as the criminal thug that he was - the leader of an obscure Islamic mafia with fewer than 20,000 serious members - they wouldn't have the super-villain they needed for George W. Bush to be seen as a super-hero. If Bush only authorized a police action, or cut a deal with Omar, he'd miss a golden opportunity to position himself as the Battle Commander of The War Against Evil Incarnate.

And so began the building of the mythos. Osama as evil genius. Osama as worldwide mastermind. Even Osama as the antichrist (as General Boykin reminded us so candidly).

If the remnants of al-Qaeda tried to pull our strings by increasing "chatter" about particular flights, for example, the Bush White House hyper-reacted with many press conferences and televised appearances by Tom Ridge. Every action was trumpeted. Bush put "Terror Alerts" on the screens of TVs nationwide as often as possible. The constant drumbeat was that George The Good was battling the One True Dragon. And that Dragon was Islamic.

For George to remain SuperGeorge, Bin Laden had to be as big as Hitler in the minds of Americans. Thus, Richard Perle wrote in his breathless and hyperbolic book An End To Evil: "There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust."

But Afghanistan and Iraq weren't Germany, and Bin Laden wasn't even a pale imitation of Hitler. It wasn't a nation that attacked us - it was a tiny, local, but well-funded Islamic mafia. And that band of thugs run by Bin Laden no more represented the interests or opinions of the majority of the world's Muslims than Tim McVeigh represented the majority of America's Christians.

This archetypal transformation of George W. Bush from spoiled, rich-boy pretender-to-the-presidency into the caped (well, flight-suited) SuperGeorge, Defender Of All Things Good And Right had a powerful impact on the American people - and particularly on their perception of Muslims.

The shadow of the "good" SuperGeorge was, necessarily, the "evil" of Muslims. They were vilified - talk show hosts called for their outright murder ("Kill them all" said Michael Savage) - and a steady drumbeat of suspicion was cast toward American Muslims.

Fox News and right-wing talk jumped in with both feet, feeding anti-Muslim hysteria that continues to this day with teary-eyed TV shows, a "secret Muslim" president, and Nazi-image Tea Parties.

"Be afraid," they tell Americans every day. "Be very afraid."

In retrospect, it's surprising that Major Hasan was the first to snap in all these years.

Bill Clinton knew what to do with a terrorist, be he Bin Laden or Tim McVeigh: brand them as criminals.

The countries of Europe who endured years of terrorism - from the crimes of the IRA against the citizens of Britain, to the crimes of the November 17th terrorist group against Greece, to the crimes of the Red Brigades against Italy - they were fought by investigators, intelligence operatives, and the highly effective web of police agencies that stretch across the world. Although less filled with shock and awe, these able people could have brought Bin Laden and his associates to justice without turning him into a super-villain or demonizing Muslims.

But that would have deflated the heroic SuperGeorge action figure in the minds of average Americans, and possibly Cheny's company Halliburton - which was on shaky ground financially before 9/11 - would have even gone under because of Cheney's ill-thought-out purchase by that company of a bankrupt asbestos supplier. (On December 10, 2001, before the bombing of Afghanistan began, Halliburton stock lost 43% of its value in a single day because Cheney's business decision was pushing them toward bankruptcy.)

So George and Dick made out just fine. But Major Hasan went nuts. And probably never would have, had somebody other than Bush/Rove/Cheney been in the White House back in 2001.

Thom Hartmann is an author and nationally syndicated daily talk show host. His newest book is 'We The People: A Call To Take Back America.'
 

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Chadman,

Are you nucking Futs ? This guy Hartman is a Total Tool !

I have heard his radio program, and he can't go one minute with out going thru the liberal mantra of name calling of the Right of Conservatives, he rambles on by calling them teabaggers in everyone of his tantrums as if he learned a new word.

Yes, it's very obvivious the DICK made MEGA SCRATCH with KBR/Haliburton.

Hartman likes to point out that the Tea Parties are Nazi Like, but for 8 years there were countless gatherings of disrespect towards Gee Wiz.

George W. desperately needed his own Lex Luthor if he was to reinvent himself as Superman.

So what were the Branch Davidians and Randy Weaver on Ruby Ridge? Hartman fails to mention the murder of these people under Clinton's watch. Would these tragedies never have happened had George Sr. had a 2nd term?

This is a big finger pointing and excuse making piece if I have every read one.

Sandy Beger briefing Rice, the same Sandy Berger who accidentially had Above Top Secret Documents Fall into his Shoes ?

The funniest thing in Hartmans column is this

If Frodo in "Lord of the Rings," for example, hadn't been forced to do battle with the supernatural powers of the Ring and its minions, his story would have merely been a boring travelogue.

I wonder if Hartman saw the same three plus hour snoozer I saw? It was more exciting watching the Boston Marathon than any of the LOTR Trilogy :sleep: They walked, and walked, and walked some more. kurby

Why can't these guys just take what had happened for what it is instead of this ridiculous finger pointing to the past? Both sides, if Lee Harvey hadn't popped Kennedy, Johnson never would have been President, thus opening the door for Tricky Dick and Ford....

Maybe if that were the case above DICK ! ! never would have gotten to where he is today ?

So,

THE FUCKING KENNEDYS ARE TO BLAME AGAIN
 

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Am I fucking nuts? No, I don't think so, but thanks for asking. Coming from you, with all of your subversive undercurrents and conspiracy theories, that doesn't bother me too much, though. I won't dive into a pissing match with you, here, however.

I know that Hartmann is a strong left wing liberal, but he is a very educated man. He has a strong knowledge of history, and of economics. And in the words of my young son, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to think that the Bush administration did much to provoke anti-American sentiment worldwide.

I just thought the article had a couple interesting points, and was thought provoking. I do not think Hartmann is a very objective source, but that doesn't make all of his thoughts incorrect, or totally off base. Some of it is a stretch, no doubt. But it is food for thought, all things considered.
 
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I said nucking futs,

note the tongue in cheek question.

I do not think you are fucking nuts.

However, I might be from a distant land ? :shrug:

I travel quite a bit for work and I listen to Sirius Radio, the whole spectrum of hosts, but when some of these chuckle heads go off the deep end and don't tell the truth, I get quite pissed.

Fox, or Faux News Radio'd Best Program is Brian and the Judge, as long as Brian doesn't talk. :nono:

And in the words of my young son, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to think that the Bush administration did much to provoke anti-American sentiment worldwide.

He really wasn't too far off Chad, Dr Ron Paul was a Flight Surgeon during the Korean War.

I don't want a pissing contest with you either, there other directions I can aim my wiz at, but Hartman's column was trying to get people to look past the heart of the tragedy, he wants a retroactive abortion on the whole Afghani issue, so could we blame the Russians for not kicking the shit out of them in the first place? Or again, the Spooks who armed the fighters in the first place.

Hartmans arguement makes no sense, stop looking back into history, leave that to the Civil War Re-enacters
 
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I'm only nucking futs, as far as my riling up to your faux innuendo. And trust me, I'm no Young Skywalker, old hat.
 
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Stop HURTING Chadmans feelings, he'll E-Mail Jack and make you stop.

TIA JMHO.

:D

This is a discussion for adults skully,
notice how we worked it out through 8 posts?

I thinks he should email Jack because you made such a childlike knee jerk assumtion.

I think I would rather drink a beer with Chad than you.
 

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This is a discussion for adults skully,
notice how we worked it out through 8 posts?

I thinks he should email Jack because you made such a childlike knee jerk assumtion.

I think I would rather drink a beer with Chad than you.



No doubt in my mind, I have looked for some positive, intelligent imput from this guy but have yet to find anything.

JMHO
 

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Stop HURTING Chadmans feelings, he'll E-Mail Jack and make you stop.

TIA JMHO.

:D

You seem to have quite a fixation on me lately. :SIB

It was nice for all that time I had you on ignore - I never got to see all your posts completely lacking in anything of value - much like this one. I hope you enjoyed all the hit and run postings during that period... for the record, I've never e-mailed Jack about anyone, nor will I. I'm quite capable of dealing with issues myself.

I will continue to point out ignorance and lack of ability, however. So, please, keep giving me top notch material...:mj07:
 
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You seem to have quite a fixation on me lately. :SIB

It was nice for all that time I had you on ignore - I never got to see all your posts completely lacking in anything of value - much like this one. I hope you enjoyed all the hit and run postings during that period... for the record, I've never e-mailed Jack about anyone, nor will I. I'm quite capable of dealing with issues myself.

I will continue to point out ignorance and lack of ability, however. So, please, keep giving me top notch material...:mj07:

Somebody please fix the shoe :shrug: :toast:
 

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I especially was interested in the last part of the story, talking about Cheney's failing Halliburton business, and remembering what company did oh so well after we attacked Iraq... but for many, that's not surprising - and pretty well understood. I don't think this article is a stretch at all, and I do think the actions (or inactions) of Bush and Co. are partly the reason there is so much hatred towards our country now. Of course, for a couple people around here, they still apparently think that Afghanistan and Iraq attacked US... :rolleyes:

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Why the Ft. Hood Massacre Is George Bush's Fault
By Thom Hartmann
Posted on November 11, 2009

If Bill Clinton - or, presumably, Al Gore (or even Ralph Nader) - had been President in 2001, the Ft. Hood massacre almost certainly wouldn't have happened. Because George W. Bush was president, it did. Here's why it's Bush's fault:

One of the first lessons aspiring novelists and screenwriters learn is that the goodness of a hero is defined by a single quality - the evil of his opponent. From Superman's Lex Luthor to Batman's Joker to Indiana Jones' Nazis to Luke Skywalker's Darth Vader, for a hero to be perceived as larger than life, he must have a larger than life enemy.

If Frodo in "Lord of the Rings," for example, hadn't been forced to do battle with the supernatural powers of the Ring and its minions, his story would have merely been a boring travelogue. But with an army of supernaturally brilliant, evil, and powerful opponents, Frodo had the opportunity to display his extraordinary inner courage and resourcefulness, qualities he didn't even realize he had until they were called forth by the peril of an awesome evil.

This is a lesson that was not lost on Karl Rove and George W. Bush. If they could recast George as the opponent of a power as great as the Ring, then the rather ordinary Dubya could become the extraordinary SuperGeorge, rising from his facileness to prevail over supernatural powers of evil.

Bill Clinton had a similar chance, but passed on it for the good of America and the world.

When bin Laden attacked us in the 1990s - several times - in an attempt to raise his own stature in the Islamic world, Bill Clinton dealt with Osama like the criminal he was. He enlisted Interpol and the police and investigative agencies of various nations, brought in our best intelligence agents, and missed bin Laden in a missile-launched assassination attempt by a scant twenty minutes (bringing derisive howls from Republicans that he was trying to "wag the dog" and deflect attention from the Monica investigations).

As Clinton left office, he and the CIA were tightening the noose on bin Laden, and his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, told me that when he briefed his successor, Condoleezza Rice, he told her to put bin Laden and al-Qaeda at the top of her priority list and thus finish the job the Clinton administration had nearly completed.

As we know, when Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, et al finally came up with the priorities for their new administration in January of 2001, al-Qaeda had been replaced by tax cuts for Bush's rich donors on the "A" list, and didn't even appear on the "B" list.

Thus came 9/11, despite over fifty explicit warnings given to the President, including the infamous August 6, 2001 CIA briefing in Crawford, Texas that in the immediate future al-Qaeda intended to hijack commercial planes and use them to attack east coast targets. (Bush apparently took the warnings seriously - Ashcroft immediately stopped flying on commercial aircraft, and Bush moved to Texas for the longest vacation in the history of the American presidency...and even when that was over, he preferred Florida to target-listed Washington, D.C.)

In the days after the 9/11 attacks - much as in the days after Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building - America had the sympathy of the world, and the police and intelligence agencies of even normally hostile nations offered to help us track down and bring to justice its perpetrators.

Muslims all over the world were horrified at the actions of one of their own, a fundamentalist turned criminal and murderer.

Mullah Omar of Afghanistan's Taliban first offered to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to us (Washington Post, Page 1, October 29, 2001, "Diplomats Met With Taliban On Bin Laden" by Ottaway and Stephens) and then made an explicit offer to arrest Bin Laden and try him for the crime of 9/11 (CNN, October 7, 2001, "US Rejects Taliban Offer To Try Bin Laden"; The Guardian, October 14, 2001, "Bush Rejects Taliban Offer To Hand Bin Laden Over").

It would have been so easy for Bush to accept Omar's offer, which had resulted, according to the Post, in over 20 diplomatic meetings and negotiations. The Justice Department could have arrested Bin Laden like they did McVeigh, helped the Taliban dismantle Bin Laden's training camps and track down their attendees and sponsors, and launch an international effort to disassemble and render impotent al-Qaeda.

It probably could have been done in a year or less, given the intensity of the worldwide empathy for citizens of America and the many other nations whose people died in the World Trade Center. Over 5000 American soldiers would still be alive, and tens of thousands would not have lost arms, legs, and eyes. Hundreds of thousands - possibly over a million - innocent Afghans and Iraqis would still be alive.

But Karl Rove knew that George W. Bush had a problem, and saw in bin Laden the solution. And didn't much give a damn what it would mean to American Muslims.

Bush had not defeated Al Gore fair and square, and was seen by most Americans as a spoiler, an illegitimate leader. As soon as the details of his proposed "supply side" voodoo economics hit the press in the first months of his presidency, the markets went into a nosedive.

And already there were stories circulating in the media of his cozy relationship with corrupt oil barons like Ken Lay and the secret energy meetings in the Spring of 2001 - before 9/11 - in which Cheney, Lay, and others in the oil industry were apparently carving up the oil fields of Iraq.

Bush, in short, was seen as a buffoonish pretender, an ineffectual manager, and a sellout to big oil and other scandal-ridden industries. He was the butt of late-night jokes, a former college cheerleader, a "dry drunk" (except when tempted by beer and pretzels), an inside trader, a small man on the national and international stage.

George W. desperately needed his own Lex Luthor if he was to reinvent himself as Superman.

Rove and Bush realized that if they simply branded Bin Laden as the criminal thug that he was - the leader of an obscure Islamic mafia with fewer than 20,000 serious members - they wouldn't have the super-villain they needed for George W. Bush to be seen as a super-hero. If Bush only authorized a police action, or cut a deal with Omar, he'd miss a golden opportunity to position himself as the Battle Commander of The War Against Evil Incarnate.

And so began the building of the mythos. Osama as evil genius. Osama as worldwide mastermind. Even Osama as the antichrist (as General Boykin reminded us so candidly).

If the remnants of al-Qaeda tried to pull our strings by increasing "chatter" about particular flights, for example, the Bush White House hyper-reacted with many press conferences and televised appearances by Tom Ridge. Every action was trumpeted. Bush put "Terror Alerts" on the screens of TVs nationwide as often as possible. The constant drumbeat was that George The Good was battling the One True Dragon. And that Dragon was Islamic.

For George to remain SuperGeorge, Bin Laden had to be as big as Hitler in the minds of Americans. Thus, Richard Perle wrote in his breathless and hyperbolic book An End To Evil: "There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust."
But Afghanistan and Iraq weren't Germany, and Bin Laden wasn't even a pale imitation of Hitler. It wasn't a nation that attacked us - it was a tiny, local, but well-funded Islamic mafia. And that band of thugs run by Bin Laden no more represented the interests or opinions of the majority of the world's Muslims than Tim McVeigh represented the majority of America's Christians.

This archetypal transformation of George W. Bush from spoiled, rich-boy pretender-to-the-presidency into the caped (well, flight-suited) SuperGeorge, Defender Of All Things Good And Right had a powerful impact on the American people - and particularly on their perception of Muslims.

The shadow of the "good" SuperGeorge was, necessarily, the "evil" of Muslims. They were vilified - talk show hosts called for their outright murder ("Kill them all" said Michael Savage) - and a steady drumbeat of suspicion was cast toward American Muslims.

Fox News and right-wing talk jumped in with both feet, feeding anti-Muslim hysteria that continues to this day with teary-eyed TV shows, a "secret Muslim" president, and Nazi-image Tea Parties.

"Be afraid," they tell Americans every day. "Be very afraid."

In retrospect, it's surprising that Major Hasan was the first to snap in all these years.

Bill Clinton knew what to do with a terrorist, be he Bin Laden or Tim McVeigh: brand them as criminals.

The countries of Europe who endured years of terrorism - from the crimes of the IRA against the citizens of Britain, to the crimes of the November 17th terrorist group against Greece, to the crimes of the Red Brigades against Italy - they were fought by investigators, intelligence operatives, and the highly effective web of police agencies that stretch across the world. Although less filled with shock and awe, these able people could have brought Bin Laden and his associates to justice without turning him into a super-villain or demonizing Muslims.

But that would have deflated the heroic SuperGeorge action figure in the minds of average Americans, and possibly Cheny's company Halliburton - which was on shaky ground financially before 9/11 - would have even gone under because of Cheney's ill-thought-out purchase by that company of a bankrupt asbestos supplier. (On December 10, 2001, before the bombing of Afghanistan began, Halliburton stock lost 43% of its value in a single day because Cheney's business decision was pushing them toward bankruptcy.)

So George and Dick made out just fine. But Major Hasan went nuts. And probably never would have, had somebody other than Bush/Rove/Cheney been in the White House back in 2001.

Thom Hartmann is an author and nationally syndicated daily talk show host. His newest book is 'We The People: A Call To Take Back America.'

:mj21: :mj21: :mj21: :mj21:

Why SPAM the board with that LONG article? You could tell how much you hate George W Bush in your own words.



JMHO
 

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I tend to believe that entire article as complete fact.

I tried to listen to Rush L today and lasted 10 min

he had kids on there singing a song about him to offset the Obama songs or something stupid.

That fat fawker Rush is a idiot of the large degree.
 

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I can't do it Scott, I don't think Oxy-Boyl-Boy has ever been wrong about one thing in his life. One interesting fact about Rush, he was in the movie Airplane, and he ordered the fish, got sick as a dof, but to thisday he still claims that was the right menu choice. :SIB
 
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