Will losing Marus Vick kill the Hokies?

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He was sooo talented, just like his brother was, but with a more accurate arm. He was supposed to lead Hokies back to where brother did against FSU cept he was supposed to finish the deal. But he is a punk and got kicked off team. So where are the Hokies for next season?!?!

They are returning almost everyone from a defense that was #1 against the pass and #9 against the run.
They will only be faster, stronger, and more ready for a huge game like Maimi and will be wiser as to not take a game like the ACC championship for granted.

They are returning their second strongest part of their offense in Brandon Ore and their wideouts as well. Who will get the ball to them though?
My geuss is Cory Holt who was highly recruited by Hokies, but they wasted 05 trying to refine Marcus into Micheal. They should have ben working on Holt as he has a strong arm and is more accurate than Marcus, just doesnt run crazy all the time.

Hokies have a very hard schedule as of right now, facing Miami @Miami, Clemson, GT and Boston College @ BC, along with Virginia and probably ACC title contender in ACC championship. How are they going to get through this schedule with a fresh QB and loss of two RBs?

They have beamer for 1 who had to block off his practices from the media due to coaches stealing his techniques for conditioning players in the offseason and getting them ready for the season.
Whoever calls Pete Carrol a defensive Genius, bviously hasnt seen Frank Beamer cause he is 1 notch above.

They start the season playing, Kent st., Southern Miss, Cincy, and Duke! Talk about a learning curve, could their OOC be any softer? This will be like a scrimmage for Hokies to work the fresh faces into offensive schemes. Whats better is that they play them all at Blacksburg!

Also playing at Blacksburg is GT, Clemson and Virginia.

Hokies will be very potent next year and will be in the BCS bowls AGAIN, and even after loses Vick still might contend for a NC with the best defense and a very solid running game.
 

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They have beamer for 1 who had to block off his practices from the media due to coaches stealing his techniques for conditioning players in the offseason and getting them ready for the season.
Whoever calls Pete Carrol a defensive Genius, bviously hasnt seen Frank Beamer cause he is 1 notch above.

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Ummm, NO!

Pete Carroll has played in 4 BCS bowl games and dominated defensively in 3/4 against TOP RANKED OFFENSES! This year USC lost I think 5 of the 7 top tacklers on defense to NFL/Graduation. Then USC lost their #1 returning DB and #1 DT to suspension and academics. Then during the year Carroll lost his #2 DB, starting LB, and #1 nickleback to season ending injuries. On top of that, USC had bunch of 1-4 week type injuries on defense during the season. Completely decimated. Those are the FACTS! Just a horrible year injury wise for USC D. NO HC IN CFB that could have suffered these losses.

Carroll will have much easier time coaching D next year! MUCH EASIER TIME!
 

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Oh OK Scott, whatever you say. Vatech is #1 passing D with freshman and Sophomore too and next year they will be sopomnores and juniors justlike SUC. Give somebody outside of USC credit
 

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Oh OK Scott, whatever you say. Vatech is #1 passing D with freshman and Sophomore too and next year they will be sopomnores and juniors justlike SUC. Give somebody outside of USC credit

Look at the conf. V-Tech played in. What great offenses? Stats are over-rated. Texas statisitically had a MUCH MUCH better defense than USC but neither Texas D or USC D could stop the opponents offense.

The argument was Beamer vs Carroll. Not V-Tech vs USC. :nono:
 

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Just a horrible year injury wise for USC D. NO HC IN CFB that could have suffered these losses.

for all the talk about how usc replaces 4 and 5 star recruits with more 4 and 5 star recruits.... you think they might have better depth than 99% of the schools in america? please spare us "no coach in college football could have suffered those losses"

youre right about one thing -- no coach in college football has the luxury of plugging in 4 star and 5 star recruits if a starter goes down.

other coaches in the country have to replace starters with marginal backups and sometimes walk-ons.

usc gets to replace their starters with blue chip athletes.

its also puzzling that you say "usc has played against 3 of the top 4 ranked offenses in the country" .... and then you refute someone else's post about virginia tech by saying "stats are overrated". hmmmmm....

and no scott -- beamer would not be outcoached by carroll. we've been over the before. both are on par with each other. look at what beamer is trying to sell in freaking virginia. carroll is selling los angeles. yet beamer is still on a level playing field with usc.
 
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Hokies will be very potent next year and will be in the BCS bowls AGAIN, and even after loses Vick still might contend for a NC with the best defense and a very solid running game.

Ummm, what BCS bowl game did they play in this season?

Highly touted as it is, I believe the Gator Bowl falls outside that sphere.
 

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Look at the conf. V-Tech played in. What great offenses? Stats are over-rated. Texas statisitically had a MUCH MUCH better defense than USC but neither Texas D or USC D could stop the opponents offense.

The argument was Beamer vs Carroll. Not V-Tech vs USC. :nono:
HOMER4SC, Stats are not overated. Only homers say that. You said that about Texas/sc and geuss what #6 defense beat the #24 D. And you have responded often by giving us the offensive stats of the game to prove your point.
You will spin facts all day if they are favorable for you. If not you say they dont matter. Go talk up another post with SC garbage this is about Hokies. NOT SC.
 

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HOMER4SC, Stats are not overated. Only homers say that. You said that about Texas/sc and geuss what #6 defense beat the #24 D. And you have responded often by giving us the offensive stats of the game to prove your point.
You will spin facts all day if they are favorable for you. If not you say they dont matter. Go talk up another post with SC garbage this is about Hokies. NOT SC.


Another post with NOTHING to do with the topic, just goin out of your way to criticize or insult someone else...now I understand your gig here. No useful information
 

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Another post with NOTHING to do with the topic, just goin out of your way to criticize or insult someone else...now I understand your gig here. No useful information
Derek, if you dont think i post information, read who started this thread. I am responding to scott with Stats, that is more than you do by saying to me "your a stupid head, you dont post anything" This is the last time i will respond to you because like i said i think your a lil punk who sits around his computer all day posting garbage that has nothing to do with handicapping. If you want to find me and respond to me find me in college BB, where there is capping going on not just Homer4SC and Homer4SC Lite, responding to every thread with something about SC in it. You both are ruining the football board, and even though its fun to read what a 100% bias looney finds a way to spin things in his own head to make them work, Its getting old and just sad that I sit here along with other people responding to your garbage, so I am done for now, will be back when the games start next year, have fun berating everybody in this forum that has a different opinion of you about how you will beat them up and throw snowballs at them lol. I wish everyone else in here the best of luck and will see you guys in august. Good luck capping whatever sport until then.
 

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for all the talk about how usc replaces 4 and 5 star recruits with more 4 and 5 star recruits.... you think they might have better depth than 99% of the schools in america? please spare us "no coach in college football could have suffered those losses"

Yeah USC would have been ok despite losing 5/7 top tacklers to NFL/Graduation. But then to lose #1 DB and #1 DT to suspension before season and then all those injuries during the year USC couldn't overcome. WHat I mean overcome is USC couldn't get it done against Texas the 2005 NC. Vince Young destroyed the USC D. Carroll did great job with the USC D this year given the circumstances but going against the #2 offense in the country USC was overmatched on the D side of the ball. I thought USC would be ok on D but VY was incredible. There is HUGE gap between #2 and #3 offenses in the country.

youre right about one thing -- no coach in college football has the luxury of plugging in 4 star and 5 star recruits if a starter goes down.

Yeah but a lot of those were freshman. I think Texas the #2 offense in the country can beat a bunch of young USC studs on D. I didn't think Texas could score over 30 but they scored 41. Although with 5min. left Texas had only 26pts. It was the USC O that let the team down.

other coaches in the country have to replace starters with marginal backups and sometimes walk-ons.

True, but those coaches are not competing for National Titles. USC is and is going against the best in the BCS bowl games etc. No margin for error in CFB when competing for championships.


its also puzzling that you say "usc has played against 3 of the top 4 ranked offenses in the country" .... and then you refute someone else's post about virginia tech by saying "stats are overrated". hmmmmm....

USC has played the top offenses in the country. Who disputes that? Who gives a $hit if V-Tech has #1 pass D when they don't play teams that can pass.

and no scott -- beamer would not be outcoached by carroll. we've been over the before. both are on par with each other. look at what beamer is trying to sell in freaking virginia. carroll is selling los angeles. yet beamer is still on a level playing field with usc.

I agree Beamer has tougher sell and he is one of my favorite coaches in CFB. I like and root for V-Tech. I was so happy USC got to play V-Tech last year and it was a great game.


I am laughing at all these posters doubting PC as genious as DC. Must be the same posters who laughed at me 4 years ago touting USC and PC. USC O has dominated CFB for 4 years. USC D has been elite 3 of the last 4 years. Soon USC D will dominate CFB like the USC O has. Just on a completely new level. Its only a matter of time. Posters are mistaken if USC is going somewhere, They are going nowhere and are staying at the top competing.
 
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Derek, if you dont think i post information, read who started this thread. I am responding to scott with Stats, that is more than you do by saying to me "your a stupid head, you dont post anything" This is the last time i will respond to you because like i said i think your a lil punk who sits around his computer all day posting garbage that has nothing to do with handicapping. If you want to find me and respond to me find me in college BB, where there is capping going on not just Homer4SC and Homer4SC Lite, responding to every thread with something about SC in it. You both are ruining the football board, and even though its fun to read what a 100% bias looney finds a way to spin things in his own head to make them work, Its getting old and just sad that I sit here along with other people responding to your garbage, so I am done for now, will be back when the games start next year, have fun berating everybody in this forum that has a different opinion of you about how you will beat them up and throw snowballs at them lol. I wish everyone else in here the best of luck and will see you guys in august. Good luck capping whatever sport until then.

You dont post info. I counted 4 threads where you entered just to criticize a poster or ridicule someone.
 

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Pete Carroll's defense has looked very poorly coached all year with folks out of position and poor tackling skills exhibited all season (at least the four games I watched) and using the cheap alibi that he had injuries is a weak excuse. I don't believe that Beamer even calls the defensive schemes for VT, so the comparison may not even be valid. However, to say that Carroll would outcoach Beamer if they had equal players is asinine since he couldn't even outcoach a coach whom until this year had been known as a choker in big games. For all your talk about Carroll being a defensive guru you would of thought he would of punted late in the game and relied on his well coached defense to prevent Texas from driving the length of the field but obviously he did not trust his defense and felt the need to go for it on 4th down. Also, I would take Nick Saban over Carroll any day of the week as far as getting a defense ready for a big game!
 
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