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Explanation for this 1st bet on the World Cup in the previous thread...

Ladrokes is offering Zimbabwe at $1.07 to be eliminated from the group stage. So obviously the linesmaker has read my mind on how many possible "free points" they could get if Eng and Aus refuse to play there but the ICC say they have to and the match is effectively defaulted...or at least is being very wary of what may happen at the ICC meeting tonight..

HOWEVER: They are also quoted at $7 to be eliminated at the Super 6 stage!!

So if they get thru Pool A, where they should beat Namibia and the Netherlands, could get "free" points v Eng and Aus or maybe just one of those two, and must be a rough chance to knock over one of India and Pakistan in Harare and Bulawayo respectively - then they face, most likely, Sth Africa, and one of two from NZ, Sri Lanka and the Windies.

This jumps out to me as possibly the play of the tournament - before it has even started.

PLAY ZIMBABWE TO BE ELIMINATED FROM WORLD CUP AT SUPER SIX PHASE @ $7
x 3 units @ Ladbrokes

GL all :)
 

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... whoa; what was I drinking when I posted that!! :eek:

Obviously the oddsmaker wasn't that wary of what happens in Zimbabwe as they were heavy chalk to dip out in the group stage.
Now the ICC have said the games in Zimbabwe will still take place, it will be interesting to see the English and Austalian reaction. I still think the wager has great value - a lot of negotiating will happen before the tournament starts and may still be going on until a day or two before the games in Zimbabwe and Kenya are played.

HOWEVER: :)

Given the NZC decision today not to play in Kenya, I'm staggered Ladbrokes haven't shifted the odds on the Black Caps to be eliminated from the group stage.
This is 4 or 5 points down the gurgler - although, as mentioned above, there is still room for NZ to move on this. And while this side is capable of still making it into the top three in their pool withhout those points, the decreased % likelihood of then doing so is not reflected now in their odds.
So ..

PLAY NZ TO BE ELIMINATED IN THE GROUP STAGE @ $2.87
x 2 units at Ladbrokes.
 

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Anders, are New Zealand definitely not playing in Kenya. Is there a chance that the N.Z. Board and/or players will change their mind. Stiff penalty in money terms for not full filling fixture.

Don't the Kiwi's play two games in Kenya, if neither game goes ahead that's nil points so can only score a max 4 wins, which is what I feel will be needed to reach the second stage (super sixes).

On the subject of England and Australia, I feel that both teams will play because of the implications. I know the English players don't want to play in Zimbabwe, it's not right having to shake the presidents hand before the game with what he has allowed to go on with the killings of people for land. However, I feel that the English and Welsh Cricket Board will say we must play the game. If either England or Australia pull out then the other will follow, then the I.C.C. will have to re-act. What else can they do. I am sure this will carry on right upto the start of the tournament.

When you play these competitions in countries that have political problems, these problems will always arise. Remember Australia and West Indies in Sri Lanka back in the mid 90's.

The bottom line is the I.C.C. are a bunch of :moon: holes, they will not back down as they are trying to save face. Led by Bacher who just so happens to be South African does not help the matter. No one from the ICC, although they can see what really is happening, will not act because by doing so they will only be saying that there is a problem and to them that is politically in-correct.

If it is confirmed that New Zealand will not play their two games in Kenya then everyone should take Anders advice as it will be a miracle to qualify from that position.
 

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Thought I'd chip in in an attempt to clarify the situation

The state of play is : NZ have said that they won't honour their ONE fixture in Kenya (v Kenya) - the ICC have issued a statement saying OK but tough - you forfeit the points. They intend to make a legal appeal, but that looks unlikely to have any affect.

The only other game that is scheduled for Kenya is their match vs Sri Lanka which looks to have no problems as the Sri Lankans are used to this kind of thing :scared

There are 6 further matches in Zimbabwe, of which it looks like only the Aus v Zim and Eng v Zim matches may be affected. I agree that the England game will probably be played, but don't forget that if the Aussies win their first 3 games, they may not bother with the Zimbabwe game with really tough :rolleyes: matches against Namibia and England to come. Be interested to know what the Aussies on here think, but they always strike me as the sort of country who seem quite happy to stick something out to prove a point.

To summarise - Zimbabwe will still have to beat at least one of Aus/Pak/Ind/Eng even if they get a game conceeded - the 7/1 is probably on the big side, but I'd like to see a bit more how the politics pans out before getting involved.

The NZ situation however looks much better as they will probably have to beat 2 of SA/ Sri Lanka/ WIndies - they're a decent enough side but that looks a tough ask - the 15/8 looks good value :cool: - I'm on - but shortly afterwards Ladbrokes suspended betting :D Is there anywhere else to get on ?

Also backed Gibbs @16/1 and Dipenaar @66/1 to be top WC batsman - their pool is considerably weaker + more importantly they look assured of getting 6 group matches played. Home advantage + almost certain (!) semi-finalists + both in cracking good form recently. Looks worth a play to me :)

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Australia pulled out of the recent tour to Zimbabwe after saying all the time that they were going to play. I think it will depend on two things. If England won't play neither will Australia, and if they have won the first two matches they may feel they can pull out and give their players a rest
 

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Thanx hoss and pumpkin, right on the mark as always....are still going to be many interesting developments...
Martin Snedden, NZC CEO, has headed to SA today but doesn't hold out great hope of NZ winning an appeal with the technical committee of getting the game shifted from Kenya. But if Aus and Eng apply the heat as the situation in Zimb gets worse, the ICC may be forced to reconsider .... big political battle of course between Mal Speed and his ICC and the Asian power base, Dalmiya and all the cash cows of advertising and marketing..
 

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Early plays on World Cup

Early plays on World Cup

I have been short of some spare time so I have found an article off another site which I have copied and will alter to suit my plays.


Keep your eyes fixed on the top order if you want to hit the bookies for six in the World Cup top batsman market.


Keep your eyes fixed on the top order if you want to hit the bookies for six in the World Cup top batsman market.

The recent VB Series highlighted the advantage of being first to the crease with openers occupying the first five spots in the top runscorer standings.

And a delve into past World Cup history produces a similar conclusion with the lists of top tournament runscorers dominated by top order batsmen.

In 1996 Sachin Tendulkar smashed 523 runs to help India reach the final and significantly he opened the batting in that tournament.

In 1999, number three Rahul Dravid topped the charts with 461 runs while teammate Sourav Ganguly, who opened the batting, finished third highest runscorer.

The Waugh twins occupied the other two slots in the top four. Mark opened the batting while Steve came in at number four. Although Steve Waugh proved that it is possible to look outside the top three, his presence in the top scorer standings highlights another key element for a successful punt - picking a batsman who plays as many games as possible. The Waughs played the maximum 10 games in the last World Cup while all the top 18 batsmen played at least seven times.

Given the format of this tournament it's absolutely imperative that your top bat pick gets to the Super Six stage. That will guarantee an extra three games on top of the six group matches.
Getting to the final will take that maximum number of knocks to 11 which is obviously the ideal scenario.

However, it's possible to argue that the benefit of going all the way is slightly diminished with the greater number of matches.
So I wouldn't rule out a batsman out from a team who you might think won't get to the semi-final stage. They will still have nine innings to rack up the runs and it's possible that the teams expected to get to the semis and final will give their top batsmen a rest during one of the easier group games to keep them fresh for the 11-match slog.

However, that doesn't stop me siding with two players who I feel WILL get to the crease more often than most of their fellow openers - Matthew Hayden and Herschelle Gibbs.

Hayden fell just three runs short of finishing top batsman in the VB series as he smashed 458 runs from nine matches. The left-hander forms a devastating opening partnership with Adam Gilchrist although he also showed in the latter stages of the VB series that he's prepared to play a more watchful role if wickets start falling around him. Hayden averages a healthy 45.53 in one-day cricket and played to that mark when the Aussies visited South Africa for a one-day series in 2001/2. Clearly he likes these batsmen-friendly wickets and will be rubbing his hands at the thought of pasting the Dutch, Namibian and Zimbabwe attacks to all parts. He won't mind facing the old enemy either after smashing England's bowlers around for most of the recent Australian summer.

The bookies are expecting Hayden to be one of the leading lights of course but nevertheless the 12/1 is a backable price.

Some may be drawn to the 20/1 on fellow opener Gilchrist but the added responsibility of keeping wicket will surely stretch his concentration in such a hectic tournament. I also feel that he will be rested for a couple of games with Maher taking over the duties as the trail in the VB Series appeared to work.

South African opener Gibbs was as big as 100/1 in the early shows for the last World Cup and almost pulled off the coup, finishing eighth with 341 runs. But on home soil he can really hammer home his status as one of the tournament's best flat-track bullies and make hay against the weaker attacks.

South Africa have to be given great respect in this tournament given the record of their various sports teams when playing on home soil. The Springboks won the rugby union World Cup in 1995 in front of a beeming Nelson Mandela and their football team, Bafana Bafana, won the African Nations Cup when tournament hosts in 1996.

And Gibbs can play a huge role in helping the cricket team to a similar triumph. Although his one-day career record isn't as impressive as Hayden's he looks to be coming into form at the ideal time. Since October Gibbs has warmed up by clobbering 541 runs in 13 one-dayers and bizarrely that includes four ducks.

Perhaps most significantly he plundered 153 and 97 not out against Bangladesh. He will get the chance to punish the same opponents in the group stages and can build his confidence further against the other Pool B bowling attacks which look much weaker than their Pool A counterparts. At 14/1 Gibbs appears on an attractive price and one that should be taken.

There's plenty of contenders for our remaining picks with Nick Knight and Nathan Astle coming close to selection.

But with doubts remaining that England and New Zealand will play their full quota of group games, I'm put off slightly, especially when it's also a possibility that both teams may not even get to the Super Six stages.

Indian batsmen have topped the runscorer charts in the last two World Cups - Rahul Dravid in 1999 and Tendulkar in 1996 - and those two, along with Virender Sehwag form a powerful top three.

But my problem with India is the likelihood of their bowlers letting them down which could lead to an early exit. In addition Dravid has the extra burden of keeping wicket while Tendulkar isn't in the best of form and hasn't excelled in one-day cricket in South Africa (his average is nine runs lower than his career record).

Pakistan's strength appears to lie in their bowling so that leaves us with Sri Lanka and the West Indians. And both teams have a backable candidate.

For the West Indies, step forward Brian Lara.

Lara was sixth highest runscorer in the 1992 World Cup, 10th in 1996 and flopped badly in 1999. So you might think that the World Cup is not really his stage as even in his pomp he failed to reward backers. But try looking at it another way. Lara has something to prove here and if the mood takes him he could do just about anything. His last one-day knock produced a near run-a-ball century against Sri Lanka in Colombo while his one-day record in South Africa is fractionally better than his career average. Batting at three, Lara should get plenty of time at the crease and the West Indies could be one of the surprise packages of this World Cup. If they are to be, Lara will almost certainly play a major part so his fate as a top bat candidate is very much in his own hands. Again, Lara will face the weaker Pool B attacks and a couple of big knocks against the minnows will see his odds crumble faster than England's middle order.

He's still respected in bookie land but the 25/1 at Paddy Power suggests they feel he is past his best. I personnally do not, however, a more suitable alternative is to back Lara as top West Indian batsman at 5/2 with Corals, Chandlers or Bet365.

The obvious pick for Sri Lanka is skipper Sanath Jayasuriya. Although his swashbuckling style makes him one of the most exciting one-day batsman on the planet, he averages less than 30 on South African soil and has passed fifty just once in his last 15 matches there. That poor record added to the extra responsibilities of skippering the side could just go against him.

Instead I will nominate opening partner Marvan Atapattu. The right-hander, unlike Jayasuriya, flourished in Sri Lanka's recent one-day series in South Africa, ending the five-match rubber with 123 not out, 39 and 53. He should be full of confidence on his return. Atapattu, with five double centuries to his name in Test match cricket, knows all about compiling an innings and as with Lara will get plenty of opportunities in the group stages to score.
Sri Lanka's chances of reaching the Super Six also look decent, especially if New Zealand forfeit a game, so I'm hoping he'll have at least nine trips to the crease. He has the shots, the skill and the temperament to really flourish in this World Cup and I will play Atapattu to be top Sri Lankan Batsman at 5/2 with Corals and Chandlers.


TOP SERIES BATSMAN

M. HAYDEN @ 12/1 1 point E/W ( 1/4 odds 1,2,3,4,5, places with Paddy Power)

H. GIBBS @ 14/1 1 point E/W ( 1/4 odds 1,2,3,4,5, places with Paddy Power)


TOP WEST INDIAN BATSMAN

B. LARA @ 5/2 1.5 points ( Coral, Chandlers )


TOP SRI LANKAN BATSMAN

M. ATAPATTU @ 5/2 1.5 points ( Coral, Chandlers, Bet365 )
 

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geez...........I can't believe I'm posting in a cricket forum:rolleyes: :p :eek: :cool: :moon:


anyway............any thoughts on this:


BANGLADESH V CANADA (POOL B)

Canada to win at $8.00


I saw a thing on TV that said Canada was 1000-1 to win the World Cup but they aren't has bad as everyone thinks.

The guy (some cricket expert) said that they actually had a shot at maybe winning one or two matches............

so I figure 8-1 isn't that bad......and considering Bangladesh is at 151-1 to win their pool (Canada is 301-1) Canada should have a shot..........

so is it worth a shot :shrug:


and how long does a match take:confused: Don't they last like 2 or 3 days:confused:
 

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Kyle - 8-1 probably is a little over the odds....Bangladesh have a lot more top level international experience, having been granted full test status a few years back....although they do get their a$$ smacked almost every time the play. Warm-up form indicates Canada are a long way off the pace .... but you only need to win one 8-1 bet every once in a while ;)

btw, all World Cup matches are 50-overs per side so over in approx 8 hrs.... only twice as long as a MLB game :)
 

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FURTHER PLAYS ADDED from BB

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Punting on the World Cup's top bowler market is a traditionally tricky pastime and the fact that New Zealand's Geoff Allott finished joint top in 1999 suggests anything can happen.

However, it should be of comfort that established quality names featured heavily in the top ten with Shane Warne finishing level with Allott and Glenn McGrath, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shoaib Akhtar, Allan Donald and Wasim Akram all close up.

What all those bowlers had in common was that they played in either nine or the maximum 10 matches. Therefore predicting who will get to the semis and beyond is a key factor.

Allott's success also highlights another important point - the bowling conditions. The extra movement of the pitches in England clearly suited the Kiwi and in the same way it makes sense that the top bowler on the spinner-friendly pitches of the subcontinent in 1996 was Anil Kumble.

The South African pitches should suit the pacemen rather than the medium pacers or spinners so it's the quicks that take my eye.So to narrow the list down I'm looking for a paceman from a team who should make it to the last four.

Australia must surely be on everyone's shortlist to reach the semis and their man of the moment, Brett Lee, is the market leader. In this case he looks a deserved favourite as, however you approach it, all roads lead to the lightning Lee.

He is one of the fastest bowlers in the world, he is playing for the best team in the world and, as he showed in the recent VB Series, he is the man Ricky Ponting turns to when he wants a wicket. What's more Lee seems to relish being tossed the ball when it's do or die time and ups his game when it matters most.

And the stats show that these South African pitches will be right up his street. Compare the records in South Africa of the elite Aussie bowlers and Lee's wickets per game average comes out clearly on top.

Lee 2.43 (7 matches)
Gillespie: 1.67 (12 matches)
Warne: 1.45 (20 matches)
McGrath: 0.94 (18 matches)

Although Lee's average is from a fairly small sample, it's still hugely encouraging for potential backers.

The surprise is McGrath who falls below a wicket per game. He is a valuable asset to the one-day team but clearly in the role of run restrictor rather than wicket-taker - especially in South Africa.

Several firms have McGrath just a point longer than Lee but in my opinion Lee's chances are far greater. To be honest exchange punters should be looking to lay McGrath, especially after his recent injury doubts.

Lee is real headline tip material given his recent displays and the 10/1 should be snapped up.

Partly due to the quality of their paceman and partly due to the likelihood of them reaching the semis, the other two countries to focus on are South Africa and Pakistan.

And the candidates for top bowler I would list as Shaun Pollock, Makhaya Ntini, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Shoaib Akhtar.

Again their records on South African soil are worth a look.

In wickets per match order they come out as:

Waqar 2.08 (26 matches)
Pollock 1.68 (81 matches)
Wasim 1.63 (19 matches)
Ntini 1.62 (34 matches)
Shoaib 1.50 (3 matches)

The standout is Waqar Younis whose record of over two wickets per game is hugely impressive.

Importantly, he's maintained that across a lengthy period and the figures haven't dropped off in recent years.

Pakistan's one-day series in South Africa in December 2002 saw Waqar maintain that average with 10 wickets in five games. It made him their leading wicket taker in the series and proved again that his skiddy action is well suited to these surfaces.

Waqar, Pakistan's skipper, will again take the new ball along with Wasim and given his questionable tactical nous he may feel that the best way of inspiring his side is to take wickets.

Let's hope so as Paddy Power offer 28/1 which looks good each-way value.

The Pakistan management are pleased with Shoaib's recovery from knee problems but are still monitoring his health closely. Given the hard pitches and his all-out style of bowling there's a chance he may run out of gas if played in every game so I will pass him by even though the 33/1 is tempting.

Wasim is also close to selection at 25s as he would love to bow out by making a big impact.

But instead my last tip is a South African. But which one? Pollock and Ntini have similar records on home soil in one-day cricket and that's evident in their performances in 2002/3. Pollock has taken 25 wickets in 13 games with Ntini bagging 24 in 12.

But, as the captain of his country, Pollock will be under huge pressure in this World Cup and I prefer to give the nod to Ntini.

With Pollock the name player, Ntini is available at 16/1 (Paddy Power) and that has to be snapped up.

Ntini has made vast improvement in recent years after a chequered start to his career and the significance of a black cricketer starring for South Africa in the World Cup would be enormous. Hopefully Ntini can rise to the challenge.

There's been no mention so far of the West Indies but their latest batch of quicks look an average bunch.

However, there could be some mileage in backing veteran Vasbert Drakes.

Drakes has been just about the only constant in the Windies pace attack in recent games and although a bit long in the tooth he can still make an impact here. His big advantage is his knowledge of local conditions. Drakes plays his cricket in South Africa so knows the pitches better than most after two years with KwaZulu-Natal.

Esteemed West Indian cricket journalist Tony Cozier has earmarked Drakes as one of the West Indians to watch and his expert opinion is worth listening to. With West Indies looking good for a place in the Super Six stages, Drakes should get nine games. However, on this occassion I was tempted to play, but he is prone to injury and may be reated for several games against the minnows.


TOP TOURNAMENT BOWLER

All bets with Paddy Power (each-way terms 1/4 odds 1,2,3,4,5)

0.75 pts E/W B. LEE 8/1

0.75 pts E/W NTINI 16/1

0.5 pts E/W WAQAR 28/1
 

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World Cup Plays

All for 1 unit unless stated

To Win World Cup
Pakistan @ $10

Top Scorer World Cup
Herschelle Gibbs @ $13

Most Wickets World Cup
Brett Lee @ $12

Most NZ Runs
Cairns @ $7

Most Indian Runs
Sehwag @ $3.50

Most Sri Lankan Runs
Jayawardene @ $7

Most West Inidan Runs
Lara @ $3.25


Game 1 - South Africa v West Indies
Dippenaar Top Score South Africa @ $5.75

Craig
 

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Liking most of those Beasty :D
Good luck to us all.


...and I'm guessing you're all pumped up for a big year at CROWLAND with the 'King'!!! I hope he does well over with your mob. ;)
 

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Great game to begin the World Cup and yes pawa I can't wait for the football season to start.

Record to Date: 0-1 for 1 Unit Loss

Day 2 Plays
Top New Zealand Scorer
Styris @ $11

Top Sri Lankan Scorer
Sangakarra @ $7.50

Craig
 

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Great call beast2 with Styrus.

I played alonged, 10/1 winner

:spotting: :Yep: :clap: :drinky:



EDIT: Played on your advice buddy, thanks once again
 
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My plays and recomendations seem to be all over various threads and on my community page "selections / analysis".

So I will put those that are not already on this thread here now.

2 points Total Wides OVER 750.5 @ 10/11



Spread bets

Buy @ 27 "lowest first 15 overs team score" @ 1/2 point/run

Buy @ 440 "total ton ups" @ 1/4 point/run
(aggregate of indivdual scores greater than 100, eg: 110 runs scored = 10 runs, 205 runs scored = 105 runs)

Buy Carl Hooper @ 370 "player performance" market (after reading Hoss's write up. I feel the down side is minimal) @ 1/4 point per point.
(20 pts per wicket, 10 pts per catch, 1 pt per run)
 

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What an excellent day with Styris top scoring for New Zealand with excellent 141 in a losing performance.

Tournament to Date: 1-2 for 8 Units Profit

Day 3
No Plays.
Was leaning towards a bet on pakistan but when I heard about Sharne Warne decided to stay clear as I wasn't sure what effect this would have in the game.

On Shane Warne, I was absolutely stunned to hear that he was leaving the World Cup after testing positive to a banned substance. There is no excuse for this and as hard as it is to say about one of my fellow countrymen he should probably cop the full two year suspension. Professional Athletes all know about banned substances and should not be putting anything in there body that has not been confirmed 110 percent safe.

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I too was stunned to hear about Warne failing a routine dope test in Australia.

For one that has, and still is at the top of the tree come bowling it is a shame and another slur against cricket.

The way I hear it is the drug found is not a performance en-hancer but one that is used to disquise other drugs administered.
That is what does not look good. What has he taken to try and conceal. One thing that springs to mind is drugs that heal injuries faster. Afterall, a dislocated shoulder should keep most sports people out of the game for six to eight weeks, especially one that requires use of the arm and shoulder.

Warne was back within four to the amazement of all sports writers and commentators. Was it the pressure of the World Cup that pushed him into it.

I know your innocent until proven guilty, and the "B" sample has yet to be tested, but I don't know of a case where the "B" sample was any different from the "A" sample.

That is now the end of his international career.

SHANE WARNE R . I . P .
 

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Don't be so hard on Shane Warne. From what I read, it is some kind of diuretic (?) that can also be used for replenish purposes when you hav the flu. Silken Laumann (Canadian rower) was stripped of her olympic medal for having a banned substance found in Sudafed (cough syrup found over the counter).

I've seen the man play a few times and was very impressed!
 
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