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Disclaimer & info about this thread:
I made many of these future wagers months ago, so of course prices have changed on some of them. I will use this thread to track those plays as well as the new ones that I add throughout the tournament. I'll also post some interesting and useful articles here as well as my own thoughts as I have the time. I expect to be involved with individual matches mostly using in-running as that is where the best value can be found, although I will post some pre-flop plays as the research continues.

In honor of the Italians, who sadly couldn't be here for this one...
Cominciamo la Copa Del Mondo e buona fortuna!

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To win the tournament

To win the tournament

ARGENTINA +900 1x
BELGIUM +1200 1x
CROATIA +3300 1/2x
 

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Pick the finalists

Pick the finalists

ARGENTINA & BELGIUM +4000 0.35x to win 14x
BELGIUM & GERMANY +2800 0.50x to win 14x
BELGIUM & SPAIN +3500 0.40x to win 14x
FRANCE & SPAIN +1800 0.75 to win 13.5x
 
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ARGENTINA +900 1x
BELGIUM +1200 1x
CROATIA +3300 1/2x



Obviously, the winner of this tournament will more than likely come from the top 6 teams, but I picked a couple a few months ago that I thought might have some value. Sure enough, the odds have since dropped on them. Now, I if I'm picking a team to win this tournament regardless of the odds, I would back Spain and France, but there is no value whatsoever at their current prices. You can easily do better than the future odds by laying the heavy juice for them to advance out of the group (or wait until the knockout rounds), take your outlay+your small take-back and rolling it over each round in the knockout stages until they reach the final. This would be known as a mechanical parlay or a progressive betting system and could be applied to any of the big favorites in this tournament as well (Germany, Brazil, etc.). I will be looking to implement some form of this strategy for Spain and France in the knockout stages, although France projects to face one of my two future teams picks from Group D above, which might then be considered a hedge.
 

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Group Betting

Group Betting

I got the first one here back in December at the same time took Belgium and Argentina to win the Cup. The limits were low at the time, otherwise I would have gone much bigger. No surprise that the price has skyrocketed, but Germany shouldn't have any issue no matter the price.

URUGUAY to win GROUP A +100 5x

SPAIN to win GROUP B -150 5x

GERMANY to win GROUP F -140 1.4x to win 1x

AUSTRALIA to finish bottom of GROUP C -130 3.25x to win 2.5x

NIGERIA to finish bottom of GROUP D +140 2.5x to win 3.5x

SPAIN over 6 pts in GROUP B -155 3.1x to win 2x

PANAMA under 2 pts in GROUP G -150 6x to win 4x

TUNISIA over 2.5 pts in GORUP G +100 2x

POLAND to win GROUP H +100 2x (shit odds, I know)



The following are straight forecasts for 1st & 2nd place in a few groups. The odds are not great, but I'm hoping for just one of the long-shots to come through in order to turn a profit. I do believe that Group D has strong potential for some odd outcomes, especially with quirky, physical teams like Iceland and Nigeria There is a distinct possibility that one of my Cup favs Argentina could crash and burn early in this tournament and the Group D forecast is a bit of hedge for that exact situation. We can't forget that Argentina came dangerously close to not qualifying for the Cup and I have a strong memory of them nearly drawing nil-nil to Iran in last year's World Cup before Messi bailed them out in the 89th minute. I do also like what I'm hearing out of the Iran's camp leading up. This is their second trip in a row to this tournament and their coach, Carlos Queiroz, has the unique angle/opportunity of going up against his own country, which he previously to Iran. They were the leading team to qualify from Asia and they have shown signs of improvement under Queiroz each year. I'm predicting Portugal will be left behind in Group B and we see one of Russia or Columbia fold under the pressure in their groups. I feel pretty good about Poland winning Group H as they will enjoy a strong support from their nearby countrymen. Columbia is a long way from home, won't be playing in altitude and Senegal is probably the best team from Africa.

Straight Forecast
GROUP A: 1ST - URUGUAY, 2ND - EGYPT +500 1.5x to win 7.5x
GROUP B: 1ST - SPAIN , 2ND - IRAN +700 1.0x to win 7.0x
GROUP D: 1ST - CROATIA , 2ND - ICELAND +1700 0.50x to win 8.5x
GROUP G: 1ST - BELGIUM, 2ND - ENGLAND +125 2.0x to win 2.5x
GROUP H: 1ST - POLAND , 2ND - SENEGAL +750 1.2x to win 9.0x
 
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GROUP B: 1ST - SPAIN , 2ND - IRAN +700 1.0x to win 7.0x
GROUP D: 1ST - CROATIA , 2ND - ICELAND +1700 0.50x to win 8.5x
GROUP G: 1ST - BELGIUM, 2ND - ENGLAND +125 2.0x to win 2.5x
GROUP H: 1ST - POLAND , 2ND - SENEGAL +750 1.2x to win 9.0x

I like these long shots. I would have thought that first one would be higher than 7-1 though. But that D pick at 17-1 looks really good - I really think Argentina could have a meltdown. And I like H at +750 too. Columbia will prob either make a nice run or flame out badly. IMO, Group G I think is priced about right. 90% its those 2 and 50/50 on the order puts it right about where its priced.
 

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I like these long shots. I would have thought that first one would be higher than 7-1 though. But that D pick at 17-1 looks really good - I really think Argentina could have a meltdown. And I like H at +750 too. Columbia will prob either make a nice run or flame out badly. IMO, Group G I think is priced about right. 90% its those 2 and 50/50 on the order puts it right about where its priced.

You are 100% correct on that the odds should be higher. The credit shop I use primarily is known to price-gouge on multi-outcome props, but you take the good with the bad, I guess. Most of these long-shots should be higher and yes, the England-Belgium line is fairly priced, but I like it due to the lack of quality bottom half of that group and I'm getting plus money for the group favorite to finish first. Both Belgium and England should be able to score plenty of goals on Panama and if Tunisia manages a draw vs England (more on that later), they don't have the attacking talent or strategy to build a large lead on the weakling of the group, putting England ahead of them by goal margin. For comparisons sake, here are the odds on the same props from a prominent online book (I won't mention the name because they aren't sponsors here).

Straight Forecast
GROUP A: 1ST - URUGUAY, 2ND - EGYPT +500 +700
GROUP B: 1ST - SPAIN , 2ND - IRAN +700 +850
GROUP D: 1ST - CROATIA , 2ND - ICELAND +1700 +2000
GROUP G: 1ST - BELGIUM, 2ND - ENGLAND +125 +145
GROUP H: 1ST - POLAND , 2ND - SENEGAL +750 +900


So basically, yea, I got a crap pile of odds :lol:
That's why I played them all relatively small.
 

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Player Props

Player Props

Top Goalscorer for the Tournament
GABRIEL JESUS +1600 1.25x to win 20x
ROBERT LEWANDOWSKI +3300 1x to win 33x
THOMAS MULLER +3300 1x to win 33x



Golden Glove Award Winner
DAVID DE GEA +350 2x to win 7x



Just a few long shots here for fun. If one of the first three hit, it'll make the tournament for me. The one player I wish I had for top goalscorer was Griezmann, but I couldn't find a price on him to make it worthwhile.
 
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Match plays

Match plays

June 14:
RUSSIA/S.ARABIA Draw 1H +133 3x


June 16:
FRANCE 1H -125 2x


June 18:
TUNISIA/ENGLAND Draw +358 1/2x
TUNISIA +1? 3.2x to win 2.5x


June 22:
NIGERIA/ICELAND Under 2 Goals (-105) 2x




I will have some more as we get closer. After some reading and listening to some experts with a good pulse on the team, there seems to be a pretty good chance that England struggles in their opening match. Tunisia is an underrated squad as well.

Having paid fairly close attention to the friendly games leading up for both teams, I agree with Bason on taking the goal line on the Saudis vs Russia in the opener. I just can't get past the potential for corruption with Russia facing the one team in their group that they HAVE to beat in order to advance. A shady call here, a questionable penalty there and Russia will most likely get the three points they need. How the hell can you bet against the home team in one of the most corrupt countries in the world? I think they are going to continue to struggle to score and we should see a low scoring game. Hoping for a nil-nil 1H draw.
 

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Agree on Tunisia DZ. Both the Northern African teams are very underrated in my opinion. I suggest grabbing Tunisia now +1.5 as I do not think it will last long.

I am working on the Morocco game right now, but I am liking them more and more against Iran on Friday.
 

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Agree on Tunisia DZ. Both the Northern African teams are very underrated in my opinion. I suggest grabbing Tunisia now +1.5 as I do not think it will last long.

I am working on the Morocco game right now, but I am liking them more and more against Iran on Friday.

Morocco have some fantastic talent that are playing in top tier European leagues. The question will be can they put it together. With defenders like Hakimi (R Madrid) & Benatia (Juve), the captain, I think this team will be tough to score on. Iran-Morocco has to be an under game. It's almost impossible to envision more than 2 goals being scored in that game. My prediction is a nil-nil draw with Iran who also play low-scoring games.

Best I could get on Tunisia is +1.25 on the asian handicap. I'm also looking at +1/2 goal for the 1H in that one.
 

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This is an older article I found recently that has a lot of good info:

https://www.total-croatia-news.com/...g-tallest-teams-most-players-in-foreign-clubs

FIFA Research Ahead of World Cup 2018: Croatia Among Tallest Teams, Most Players in Foreign Clubs
By Daniela Rogulj, 28 Nov 2017, 13:47 PM

The International Football Federation (FIFA) and the CIES Football Observatory have made an interesting analysis of the competitors in next year?s World Cup in Russia.

With the World Cup draw this Friday in Moscow already bounding us to the edge of our seat, FIFA has decided to give us something to hold us over for the next few days - probably a smart way to keep our minds off of drawing the potential ?Group of Death? in the tournament. Fingers crossed Croatia draws a decent group!

That said, FIFA and CIES have compared the 1,032 footballers who competed in the World Cup qualifiers, and 40 Russian footballers who played in friendly matches to gather some pretty exciting data ahead of the highly anticipated tournament next summer.

Here?s a bit of what they found out as reported by T.portal on November 28, 2017.

Nigeria is the youngest team in the tournament, averaging 24.9 years of age, while Panama will play with the oldest team at 29.4 years of age. Croatia?s football team is somewhere right in the middle, averaging a player age of 27.5 years.

When it comes to the tallest teams in the competition, the Serbian national team takes the crown, averaging a height of 185.6 cm. Serbia is followed by Sweden (185.2) and Iceland (185). In fourth place are the Danes, (185), and in fifth place is our Croatian national team with an average player height of 184.9 cm. The shortest teams are Saudi Arabia (172.2), Japan (178.1) and Peru (178.3).

61.5% of Morocco?s players were born abroad, while Senegal averages around 39% of their players born aboard, followed by Portugal (32%), Switzerland (31%), Tunisia (23.5%) and Croatia (15.4%). The seven teams that do not have any players born outside of their country are Korea, Mexico, Colombia, Germany, Iran, Syria, and Brazil.

And another interesting piece of information: Croatia, Sweden and Iceland did not use a single player from their domestic leagues in the qualifiers, while England and Saudi Arabia were the only teams to use all players in their national leagues in the qualifiers.

The highest number of players in the qualifiers came from English clubs (164), while Spanish clubs boasted 95 players, German clubs recorded 90, Italian clubs bragged 71, and French clubs had 55.

Average Age

Youngest national teams:
Nigeria - 24.9 years
Germany - 25.7 years
England - 25.9 years
CROATIA 27.5 years (ranking 19th out of the teams)

Oldest national teams:
Panama - 29.4 years
Island - 29.0 years
Costa Rica - 29.0 years
CROATIA - 27.5 years (ranking 14th out of the teams)

Height

Tallest:
Serbia - 185.6 cm
Sweden -185.2 cm
Iceland - 185 cm
Denmark - 185 cm
CROATIA - 184.9 cm

Shortest:
Saudi Arabia - 172.2 cm
Japan - 178.1 cm
Peru - 178.3 cm

Number of players in foreign clubs

Most:
CROATIA - 100%
Sweden - 100%
Iceland - 100%

Least:

England - 0%
Saudi Arabia - 0%
Russia - 5%
 

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Tunisia

Tunisia

Not my favorite bet, but I've been looking for a way to get them in play because I do feel that they're an underrated team. I added Tunisia over 2.5 group points (EV) because a win vs Panama shouldn't be all that difficult in the last game of group play, especially since there is a good chance that some of their injured starters should be back around that time (2 weeks from now). It looks like the projected line is +110 on Tunisia to win that match vs Panama, but I expect that number will go down and you will have to lay a price on them once we all see how putrid Panama is in their first two matches vs Belgium and England.

I've added this one to the Group Betting post above, so I will have an easier time tracking everything since I don't have an accountant to do it for me. :0003
 

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so I will have an easier time tracking everything since I don't have an accountant to do it for me.
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If you add any more wagers you are going to need not only an Accountant but one of those giant calculators as well.......


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:facepalm: Thanks Kickserv. I just ordered one of those calculators from Amazon. I'm sure I'll be adding more wagers, so better safe than sorry.
 

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For your consideration when handicapping TOTALS for the tournament

For your consideration when handicapping TOTALS for the tournament

Here's an excellent article that provides some context on the difference between club team strategy vs the strategies of international squads. I would't expect the scoring in this tournament to be anything like the CL.


http://www.mpnnow.com/sports/20180611/world-cup-defense-fuels-national-teams

World Cup: Defense fuels national teams
By Steve Douglas / AP Sports Writer
Posted Jun 11, 2018 at 10:12 PM
Updated Jun 11, 2018 at 10:12 PM

Coaches say it?s easier to organize a compact defense as opposed to constructing a fluid attack

A spirit of chaos and adventure swept through this season?s Champions League, serving up a record number of goals and almost non-stop drama when the top teams collided.

It was club football at its most thrilling. Fans might never have had it so good.

So can the World Cup, supposedly the zenith of the international game, come close to matching it?

History suggests we shouldn?t get our hopes up, despite most of the world?s best players on show in Russia.

?National teams often lag behind the clubs, and it?s understandable why,? said Jonathan Wilson, author of ?Inverting The Pyramid: The History of Football Tactics.? ″There?s a tendency to keep things pretty simple at international level.?

Wilson?s prediction for the next few weeks in Russia?

?I think there will be a lot of games featuring teams with eight men behind the ball and just seeing what happens,? he said. ?It could be pretty unedifying.?

This viewpoint stems from the simple notion that international coaches don?t get as much time with their players as their club counterparts, and that it?s much easier ? especially for the weaker nations ? to organize a compact defense than a fluid attack.

There are other factors in play, too. There?s no transfer market in international football so it?s harder for coaches to mold their ideal team. The best coaches are often found in the club game because of the financial riches on offer. And there?s often an in-built conservatism at major tournaments.


Carlos Alberto Parreira, Brazil?s World Cup-winning coach from 1994, is now a member of FIFA?s technical study group ? comprising former players and national-team coaches who will analyse games and produce a report later this year ? and he predicted an approach that will see teams ?defend with as many players as possible? and play on the counterattack.

?Very compact teams, with lots of players behind the ball, closing down space and playing at pace on the attack,? Parreira said.

FIFA, of course, is hoping for a festival of football over the coming weeks, following on from a World Cup in Brazil in 2014 that the governing body?s panel of coaching experts said saw teams ?play positively and do everything to win a game rather than merely ?not lose.??

There were 171 goals that tournament at an average of 2.67 per game, tying the record set in France in 1998. In 2002, ?06 and ?10, the average did not get above 2.52.

In this season?s Champions League, however, there were 401 goals at an average of 3.2 per game ? rising to 3.6 per game in the knockout stage. It was the highest total since the tournament?s rebrand in 1992, with only the 1975-76 European Cup delivering more, as coaches saw attack often as the best form of defense.

Marco van Basten, FIFA?s chief technical development officer, told The Associated Press that football has been played more positively since Barcelona?s recent glut of trophies using the approach implemented by Johan Cruyff at the club in the 1990s and previously by Dutch coach Rinus Michels ? with his ?Total Football? ? in the mid-1970s.

?As a consequence of the sporting successes Barcelona gained with that playing style, many coaches like their teams to play attacking football,? Van Basten said in an email, ?and for fans this is definitely more spectacular to watch. I think it is very positive that everyone appreciates this attractive style of play, but in the end results count as well.?

Don?t expect tactical surprises in Russia. The club game has left international teams in its wake since the 1960s, before which nations ? like Hungary with its 3-2-1-4 in 1954 and Brazil with its 4-2-4 in 1958 ? arrived at World Cups deploying innovative formations that dumbfounded opponents.

The most common formations this summer will be 4-2-3-1, which was widely used in 2010 and ?14, and the 4-3-3 used by Liverpool and Real Madrid on their runs to the Champions League final. However, the three-man defense has made a comeback of sorts this year, and England, Argentina and Belgium are among those set to adopt it in Russia.

Most coaches will play with one out-and-out striker and want to dominate midfield. Having a pressing game is the vogue ? Brazil, under forward-thinking coach Tite, is the latest high-profile nation to do so, joining the likes of Spain, Germany and England ? but that requires time to perfect and master, even at club level.

?No team will win the World Cup without pressing,? Wilson said. ?But I think there will be a far greater tendency to sit deep and try to absorb pressure, because it?s easier.?

That?s what largely happened at the expanded European Championship in 2016, featuring 24 teams for the first time. The quality of football was watered down as the weaker nations packed their defenses and picked their moments to play on the counterattack.

That could be the case in a 48-team World Cup, which FIFA is planning to introduce from as early as 2022 in Qatar.

As it is, 32 nations are heading to Russia and neutrals will be hoping the unruliness of this season?s Champions League is infectious.
 
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