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It could happen. Or how about QB Eli Manning and WR Mike Williams on the same team?
Chargers get outside shot at snagging dynamic duo
By Jim Trotter
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
April 2, 2004
Imagine Eli Manning throwing passes to Mike Williams this year . . . while playing for the Chargers.
Improbable? Yes.
Impossible? No.
The Chargers own the first pick in this month's NFL draft, and there is growing speculation they'll use the choice to select Manning, Mississippi's standout quarterback.
Williams has been projected by some publications to go as high as No. 2 overall, but legal rulings could force the former USC star receiver out of the regular draft and into a SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT later this offseason, at which time the Chargers would have the first shot at selecting him.
Such a move would cost the Chargers their first-round choice in the regular draft in 2005, but some scouts believe Williams could be worth the pick ? especially if the Chargers, who were 4-12 last season, win enough games to land in the middle of next year's draft order. The thinking is that a player of Williams' ability probably wouldn't be available after the first five or 10 picks, so get him now.
But would the Chargers?
"I don't know," General Manager A.J. Smith said yesterday. "I weigh all that as it goes . . . I don't even pay attention to this stuff (about Williams landing in the supplemental draft). When it's solved, it's solved. When it's a reality, it's a reality. It's so far removed from my mind because it's up in the air."
Williams' status is tied to that of former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett, whose successful lawsuit earlier this year overturned a league rule that prohibits players from entering the NFL draft if they're less than three years removed from high school.
The NFL appealed the ruling, and the case will be heard April 19, five days before the draft.
If the federal court of appeals rules in favor of the NFL, Clarett and Williams and other underage players will be removed from the draft ? although they could still wind up in a supplemental draft if Clarett takes his case to a higher court and secures a ruling in his favor. The chances of such an appeal being heard before the coming season, however, could be remote at best. That's one reason Smith prefers to deal with what is, rather than what might be.
He said he will evaluate Williams as if he'll be available in the regular draft. The big question many scouts have about Williams relates to his speed. At 6-foot-5 and more than 230 pounds, he physically dominated defensive backs in college. But some scouts wonder whether he has the quickness to separate from cornerbacks at the pro level.
"Because he's such a big, big receiver, I've got to do more study on him to answer that question," Smith said. "So, it's a little premature for me to comment (on whether speed will be an issue). Some guys, I don't care. I judge it on tape. I judge it on my instincts. But we'll see."
Williams is scheduled to run for pro scouts on Thursday. A source familiar with his workouts said he has been timed as fast as 4.53 seconds in the 40.
"If that's the case, then he'll be in real good shape," Smith said. " . . . That's good enough for me, I can tell you that."
But would it be good enough for Smith to surrender next year's first-round pick if Williams landed in a supplemental draft?
"All I can say is that I'm monitoring it," Smith said.
It remains unclear what would happen to Williams if the court rules in favor of the league and Clarett's appeal isn't heard before the start of the season. Privately, some league officials say Williams would be out of luck and unable to play in the NFL before the 2005 season. But two team officials and several agents wondered whether the league would go ahead and conduct a supplemental draft anyway.
"The supplemental rules are so obscure that the league could hold a supplemental draft even though the players don't meet the eligibility requirements," one agent said. "I believe the players would be included as a fairness issue, because their decision was based on a correct legal position at the time."
One league official said privately that the players were warned that the Clarett verdict could be overturned, and if so they would be ineligible for the draft.
Meantime, Smith reiterated that no clubs have inquired about trading for the top pick. If an offer were to come, he said, he wouldn't seriously consider it until about 10 days before the draft, after the Chargers have finished their scouting and evaluations.
Chargers get outside shot at snagging dynamic duo
By Jim Trotter
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
April 2, 2004
Imagine Eli Manning throwing passes to Mike Williams this year . . . while playing for the Chargers.
Improbable? Yes.
Impossible? No.
The Chargers own the first pick in this month's NFL draft, and there is growing speculation they'll use the choice to select Manning, Mississippi's standout quarterback.
Williams has been projected by some publications to go as high as No. 2 overall, but legal rulings could force the former USC star receiver out of the regular draft and into a SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT later this offseason, at which time the Chargers would have the first shot at selecting him.
Such a move would cost the Chargers their first-round choice in the regular draft in 2005, but some scouts believe Williams could be worth the pick ? especially if the Chargers, who were 4-12 last season, win enough games to land in the middle of next year's draft order. The thinking is that a player of Williams' ability probably wouldn't be available after the first five or 10 picks, so get him now.
But would the Chargers?
"I don't know," General Manager A.J. Smith said yesterday. "I weigh all that as it goes . . . I don't even pay attention to this stuff (about Williams landing in the supplemental draft). When it's solved, it's solved. When it's a reality, it's a reality. It's so far removed from my mind because it's up in the air."
Williams' status is tied to that of former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett, whose successful lawsuit earlier this year overturned a league rule that prohibits players from entering the NFL draft if they're less than three years removed from high school.
The NFL appealed the ruling, and the case will be heard April 19, five days before the draft.
If the federal court of appeals rules in favor of the NFL, Clarett and Williams and other underage players will be removed from the draft ? although they could still wind up in a supplemental draft if Clarett takes his case to a higher court and secures a ruling in his favor. The chances of such an appeal being heard before the coming season, however, could be remote at best. That's one reason Smith prefers to deal with what is, rather than what might be.
He said he will evaluate Williams as if he'll be available in the regular draft. The big question many scouts have about Williams relates to his speed. At 6-foot-5 and more than 230 pounds, he physically dominated defensive backs in college. But some scouts wonder whether he has the quickness to separate from cornerbacks at the pro level.
"Because he's such a big, big receiver, I've got to do more study on him to answer that question," Smith said. "So, it's a little premature for me to comment (on whether speed will be an issue). Some guys, I don't care. I judge it on tape. I judge it on my instincts. But we'll see."
Williams is scheduled to run for pro scouts on Thursday. A source familiar with his workouts said he has been timed as fast as 4.53 seconds in the 40.
"If that's the case, then he'll be in real good shape," Smith said. " . . . That's good enough for me, I can tell you that."
But would it be good enough for Smith to surrender next year's first-round pick if Williams landed in a supplemental draft?
"All I can say is that I'm monitoring it," Smith said.
It remains unclear what would happen to Williams if the court rules in favor of the league and Clarett's appeal isn't heard before the start of the season. Privately, some league officials say Williams would be out of luck and unable to play in the NFL before the 2005 season. But two team officials and several agents wondered whether the league would go ahead and conduct a supplemental draft anyway.
"The supplemental rules are so obscure that the league could hold a supplemental draft even though the players don't meet the eligibility requirements," one agent said. "I believe the players would be included as a fairness issue, because their decision was based on a correct legal position at the time."
One league official said privately that the players were warned that the Clarett verdict could be overturned, and if so they would be ineligible for the draft.
Meantime, Smith reiterated that no clubs have inquired about trading for the top pick. If an offer were to come, he said, he wouldn't seriously consider it until about 10 days before the draft, after the Chargers have finished their scouting and evaluations.
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i think i will be sick. the chargers do not deserve it. one of the poorest decision making teams on draft day. :nono:
Well, it happened.
WR Mike Williams will be in the supplemental draft.
The Chargers have the first pick in that one also.
The Redskins just signed LB Barrow.
A possibility:
Redskins get the Chargers #1
The Chargers get the Redskins #1 and LB Arrington.
The Redskins reportedly offered OT Samuels, but SD declined.
Arrington went public against his contract.
The Chargers will have to pay a lot for WR Mike Williams, so trading down to save money is almost required.
The Giants do not have any quality players it can give. They are worse on the OLINE and DLINE than the Chargers.
WR Mike Williams will be in the supplemental draft.
The Chargers have the first pick in that one also.
The Redskins just signed LB Barrow.
A possibility:
Redskins get the Chargers #1
The Chargers get the Redskins #1 and LB Arrington.
The Redskins reportedly offered OT Samuels, but SD declined.
Arrington went public against his contract.
The Chargers will have to pay a lot for WR Mike Williams, so trading down to save money is almost required.
The Giants do not have any quality players it can give. They are worse on the OLINE and DLINE than the Chargers.
4bubba,
why are the Redskins so anxious to get rid of Chris Samuels? Lavar Arrington obviously has contract issues, but as far as I know Chris Samuels has been a good asset to that team.
Also, why would the Redskins want to trade up in this draft? Unless they are going to take Robert Gallery, I don't see any reason for them to do so.
The Giants also need Robert Gallery but have a keener interest in Eli Manning simply because that move will be flashier.
This brings up the yearly affliction of the draft:
Do you take the best talent on the board or do you draft to a need?
why are the Redskins so anxious to get rid of Chris Samuels? Lavar Arrington obviously has contract issues, but as far as I know Chris Samuels has been a good asset to that team.
Also, why would the Redskins want to trade up in this draft? Unless they are going to take Robert Gallery, I don't see any reason for them to do so.
The Giants also need Robert Gallery but have a keener interest in Eli Manning simply because that move will be flashier.
This brings up the yearly affliction of the draft:
Do you take the best talent on the board or do you draft to a need?
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OT Samuels was the first this year to refuse to redo his salary to give the Redskins cap relief.
Snyder has not forgotten.
The Redskins would love to replace Samuels (see above) with Gallery. He will NOT last until the 5th pick.
OT Samuels was the first this year to refuse to redo his salary to give the Redskins cap relief.
Snyder has not forgotten.
The Redskins would love to replace Samuels (see above) with Gallery. He will NOT last until the 5th pick.
Lets get really wierd........
Chargers get Wash #1, +LB Arrington, +QB Ramsey
and Redskins use #1 for QB Manning
and also get Chargers #1 in supplemental draft (WR Williams)
or
Chargers get Wash #1, + LB Arrington, OT Samuel
and Redskins use #1 for Gallery
and also get Chargers #1 in supplemental draft (WR Williams)
Chargers get Wash #1, +LB Arrington, +QB Ramsey
and Redskins use #1 for QB Manning
and also get Chargers #1 in supplemental draft (WR Williams)
or
Chargers get Wash #1, + LB Arrington, OT Samuel
and Redskins use #1 for Gallery
and also get Chargers #1 in supplemental draft (WR Williams)
I hate seeing this.
Redskins throwing around money to virtually everybody, overpay guys like Shaun Spring un-necessarily, and then when their two best players ask for more money, its 'sorry!'.
Gimme a break.
Arrington is breaking out, he's a top 5 linebacker in the NFL, and considering there's guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, and Brian Urlacher at his position, that's saying a lot. As for Samuels, the guy is a pro bowler right now. With inflation, Gallery will probably be making what Samuels is asking for in merely a couple of years.
Makes no sense for the Redskins to trade up to #1. They don't need/want Manning, especially if they are trading Chris Samuels in that package because they will need Gallery to replace him. Maybe Ramsey and Samuels to Oakland for Gallery and a conditional pick. They also shouldn't have a big interest in Mike Williams considering they have Rod Gardner and Laverneus Coles already.
Chargers should then try to move down from the 4 spot as teams try to battle for Sean Taylor. I read in the other NFL forum that NE wants to move up, maybe a couple of picks from them for the #4 spot would be good.
Redskins throwing around money to virtually everybody, overpay guys like Shaun Spring un-necessarily, and then when their two best players ask for more money, its 'sorry!'.
Gimme a break.
Arrington is breaking out, he's a top 5 linebacker in the NFL, and considering there's guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, and Brian Urlacher at his position, that's saying a lot. As for Samuels, the guy is a pro bowler right now. With inflation, Gallery will probably be making what Samuels is asking for in merely a couple of years.
Makes no sense for the Redskins to trade up to #1. They don't need/want Manning, especially if they are trading Chris Samuels in that package because they will need Gallery to replace him. Maybe Ramsey and Samuels to Oakland for Gallery and a conditional pick. They also shouldn't have a big interest in Mike Williams considering they have Rod Gardner and Laverneus Coles already.
Chargers should then try to move down from the 4 spot as teams try to battle for Sean Taylor. I read in the other NFL forum that NE wants to move up, maybe a couple of picks from them for the #4 spot would be good.
There has been a lot of discussion about the possibility of Williams coming back to USC following the Supreme Court announcement yesterday. This was the first time I've really heard talk about the possibility that it might happen, up to this point it was perceived as extremely unlikely that such a scenario would play out but with the court decision yesterday there is at least a sense that it could happen.
Even if Mike Williams can somehow work his way out of this mess (highly doubtful), I wonder if PC and teamates would let him back on the team?
He quit, he burned his bridges and he might be gone for good.
Even if Mike Williams can somehow work his way out of this mess (highly doubtful), I wonder if PC and teamates would let him back on the team?
He quit, he burned his bridges and he might be gone for good.
Mike Williams joined the players union, got an agent and signed deals with NFL merchandising companies already. The NCAA is the ultimate decision maker here. Letting either back in college football would be against every rule on the books.
Since the court decided against Clarett -- and by extension, Williams -- the players could only return to play college football if they met academic standards and their universities SUCCESSFULLY petitioned the NCAA for reinstatement.
Steve Snapp, an assistant athletic director at Ohio State, said there were significant obstacles in the way of Clarett regaining his eligibility even if he wanted to rejoin the Buckeyes.
"There is a number of issues about whether or not he has professionalized himself," Snapp said.
The NFL also could be compelled legally to include Clarett and Williams in a supplemental draft. Former stars such as Reggie White, Cris Carter and Bernie Kosar all moved into the NFL after being taken in supplemental drafts.
Since the court decided against Clarett -- and by extension, Williams -- the players could only return to play college football if they met academic standards and their universities SUCCESSFULLY petitioned the NCAA for reinstatement.
Steve Snapp, an assistant athletic director at Ohio State, said there were significant obstacles in the way of Clarett regaining his eligibility even if he wanted to rejoin the Buckeyes.
"There is a number of issues about whether or not he has professionalized himself," Snapp said.
The NFL also could be compelled legally to include Clarett and Williams in a supplemental draft. Former stars such as Reggie White, Cris Carter and Bernie Kosar all moved into the NFL after being taken in supplemental drafts.
