Paul Johnson killed

[kosar]

Very sad.


American hostage reportedly beheaded
Demands had given Saudis 72 hours to save Paul Johnson's life


The Associated Press
Updated: 1:33 p.m. ET June 18, 2004RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The Arab satellite network Al-Arabiya reported Friday that American hostage Paul Johnson had been beheaded. It did not immediately provide details and the report could not be independently confirmed.


Thousands of Saudi security forces had intensified their search of fundamentalist strongholds Friday as the deadline approached Johnson to be executed by his Islamic militant kidnappers.

The kidnappers did not set a specific time when the deadline runs out. A videotape with the threat appeared on a Web site at about midnight Tuesday Saudi time, and if counted from that point the 72 hours would run out by midnight Friday, or 5 p.m. ET Friday.

In the video, the kidnappers vow to kill Johnson unless the Saudi government released all the militants in its prisons. The Saudis have rejected the demand.

Police vehicles drove through the Sweidi, Dhahar al-Budaih and Badr districts overnight and into Friday, but the authorities gave no indication they were any closer to finding Johnson, an employee of the U.S. defense corporation Lockheed Martin who was kidnapped last weekend.

 

[auspice]

"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas."
--Ronald Reagan (candidate for Governor of California), interviewed in the Fresno Bee, October 10, 1965

 

[crimson]

that shit pisses me off. they had his son on tv the other day and it was just real sad but he was keeping hope alive. i just think something had to be done to prevent this from happening.

 

[AR182]

i wonder if the red cross or other such groups will condemn this barbaric act like they constantly criticized the u.s. for the iraqi prison treatment.



i already know the answer.

 

[Shataken]

I say we start killing 10 guantanamo prisoners each time an american is killed by these f*cks. Not just shoot them, tie a pig to them then blow them both up and post it on the internet. These uneducated, filtyy f*ckers do not understand the word negotiate.

 

[Lightning]

I totally agree Shataken. We should start by torturing and executing all the militants they wanted released.

We need to show them that we will resort to the same measures if not worse than them just like General Black Jack Pershing did back before the start of WWI.

Terrorists should not be treated like regular prisoners nor given the rights of them.

Actually, I think criminals in general should not be treated as well as they are ... you break the law, you lose your basic humas rights period!

:bigun:

 

[Nosigar]

that shit pisses me off. they had his son on tv the other day and it was just real sad but he was keeping hope alive. i just think something had to be done to prevent this from happening.

What do you suggest? Seriously! I have no idea.

Any action of force made by the U.S. would just ignite the liberal blabbering about unjust actions towards fellow terrorists. OR rumors that the whole thing was staged by Bush with the aide of Cheney and maybe ctownguy .

The PC infiltrates won't allow corrective actions to be taken.

But this is the real world (not Reality TV ) and te U.S. citizens as well as the rest of the world have to convince thmselves that the threat was, is and always will be REAL. This stuff really happens, it's not a movie or fiction, and it has a purpose behind it, very twisted, but a purpose.

For all those who think that a war against terrorism, which includes the war in Irak as a starting base, is something that can be done in a few months, here is proof that it will be many years of constant battle to either change the physchology of these animals or destroy the vast majority of them. Everyday we stay in Irak more terrorists die, local and imports. Does anybody think they needed an excuse to attack us? Hell, these folks have never seen such an offensive against them in all their history. They are pissed and hurt and are acting accordingly by shooting in all directions, but it is a very different battle than it was a few years ago. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

 

[crimson]

you make a good point. i just wish we could do what is at the pit of every americans heart and get even but you are correct, i cant help but let my sense of human sensibility to blue collar americans. i just wish there was a way out but i agree with everyting you said

 

[Pujo21]

I wonder what that liberal two faced murderer scumbag Teddy Kennedy has to say now? Not that he cares ! And what the hell kind of credibility does this jackass carry. He's got balls that say Brunswick on them after the nonsense he got away with. You'd think he would shut the hell up already.

 

[Penguinfan]

What do you suggest? Seriously! I have no idea.

Good question, we can't negotiate with these people, it would only encourage them to take more hostages to further their cause, whatever it may be. On the other hand there must be swift and severe retaliation for this act, let them know that not only will we not give in to a hostage situation, but we will hunt you down for following through on it.

 

[Nosigar]

Good question, we can't negotiate with these people, it would only encourage them to take more hostages to further their cause, whatever it may be. On the other hand there must be swift and severe retaliation for this act, let them know that not only will we not give in to a hostage situation, but we will hunt you down for following through on it.

Well, actually waht I meant is that I don't have a "politically feasible" idea. Even when you get passed the initial rage and desire of revenge there is still only one option available. That is total elimination.

 

[StevieD]

How in the name of everything that is holy do you people manage to blame the liberals for this? Your boy is in charge and he did not do anything or show any force after the death of Berg. This is a terrible crime and is something that all Americans condemn. It is not a political football. It is a crime against all of humanity and we must find a way to stop it.

 

[djv]

Guys if we are who we say we are. Then we do not drop to there level. Then folks like Johnson and Berg are for gotten as men they were. Good men family men god fearing men. You must understand these dudes were dealing with dont care how many you kill of them. They gave that up along time ago. They will walk up to you with plastic on them and blow them and you to hell. They dont care. What Saudis government has yet to understand is they are under attack to. But most them just fly around in there jets. Get out of Saudi so they can go to private clubs in other countries. Drink and whore around like they cant at home.
And they need to cut the dam money off to these S O B. Or we might want to make a parking lot out of Saudi.

 

[Chopsticks]

I am sorry for the Americans' families...My prayers go to them...

 

[gardenweasel]

stevie

stevie

what`s this "your boy"sh-t?.....i thought you were a moderate independent....

btw...i just heard on the abc nightly news(not the fox news channel)that vladamir putin claims to have evidence that saddam was plotting terrorist strikes of his own on the u.s.....

if anybody gets the "meat" of this report,pleasr post it...

 

[Nosigar]

How in the name of everything that is holy do you people manage to blame the liberals for this? Your boy is in charge and he did not do anything or show any force after the death of Berg. This is a terrible crime and is something that all Americans condemn. It is not a political football. It is a crime against all of humanity and we must find a way to stop it.

Exactly, this in NOT Political Football. So why the hell do liberals have to make it all a G-damn Rep. or Dem. thing? Liberals are mentioned because due to their (the more radical) damn agenda we are fighting a war with a hand tied behind our back. Politics are politics and it's an election year here in the US of A, so everything negative that happens is chalked up to "Their boy", and not becasue it may be right but because it's politically advantageous. Radical Republicans do the same damn thing.

I don't idolize Bush, but I have no reason to go against him since he is doing what I know is favorable not only for us but for the world as a whole, and that is to attempt firmly to get rid of terrorism and disuade other leaders of pseudo-governments who employ terrorist tactics to control their people and ultimately harm these US of A. Because I also look beyond the fuqked up muslims and Al Qaeda and the more popular thugs. There are so many types and factions of terrorism out there and Bush has been the only one until now to at least address it (wish he would do more, much more).

 

[StevieD]

If you don't like the way this war is being fought blame Bush and Rumsfeld not the liberals. If you really believe that Bush is putting the life of just one American soldier in harms way because he is trying to fight the war the way the liberals or any one else would want him to then you should vote to get him out of office as quickly as possible.
The problem is that we are fighting a war without borders. Iraq is a terrible mistake. We were not at war with Iraq. We were at war with Saddam. That is what tied our hands. Bush is trying to liberate the Iraqi people. That kind of cuts down his military options and that is why this war is a mistake.
As for what he is doing against terrorism I think he could have been stronger against terrorists instead of wasting our time, blood, and money in Iraq.

 

[gardenweasel]

stevie

stevie

2 american civilians were beheaded..iraqi government officials are dropping like flies.............

saddam is gone....the war for saddam`s removal is over... ...it has nothing to do with saddam....it has everything to do with terrorists not wanting iraq to form some sort of representative government....

they are trying to intimidate and create kaos....

what`s going on now has more to do with the war on terror than anything saddam......my guess is that if kerry were elected tomorrow,nothing we are doing would change....

as a matter of fact,kerry,in 2003,was railing about the danger of saddam and the wmd`s.....just like clinton did many times....

and imo,they were both right.....


i guess we should have left saddam alone....i guess we should ignore iran`s quest for nuclear weapons......like we already missed the boat by turning a deaf ear to n. korea...by not being really vigilant.....

our hands are now tied regarding north korea....we fell asleep on that one...if guy`s like you had their way,every malcontent, tinpot dictator would have the wherewithal to turn his enemy`s homeland into a parking lot.....

we aren`t europe...they ignored germany twice leading to ww1 and 2....

just think for a second about a scenario in which saddam lobbed nukes into israel instead of scuds during the gulf war.....or,would there even have been a gulf war if saddam had a nuclear capability....there`s a good chance that kuwait would be a part of iraq.....

i`m wasting my breath....we as americans are soft...even after 9/11 you still get the feeling that people believe that it can`t happen to us again......

well.it`s probably going to...they are already predicting that it`s almost inevitable that a dirty nuclear weapon will be detonated in one of our cities....

we are now a nation of hand wringers....more concerned with politics than saving our asses...maybe after the next big one,that will change...

i`m glad saddam`s gone...i thought there was rationale for removing or killing him....and he did have terrorist contacts......

did he plan 9/11...no....

did he try to build a nuclear reactor for producing nuclear weapons...yes..

did he have chemical and biological weapons that were never accounted for?....yes....

did he invade his neighbors?....yes

did he torture and gas his own people.....yes...

now putin claims he had intelligence that saddam was plottng terrorist attacks against the u.s....is that gospel?....who knows...

i`m glad he`s out of the equation....


this is about much more than trying to score political points.....

 

[Nosigar]

If you don't like the way this war is being fought blame Bush and Rumsfeld not the liberals. If you really believe that Bush is putting the life of just one American soldier in harms way because he is trying to fight the war the way the liberals or any one else would want him to then you should vote to get him out of office as quickly as possible.
The problem is that we are fighting a war without borders. Iraq is a terrible mistake. We were not at war with Iraq. We were at war with Saddam. That is what tied our hands. Bush is trying to liberate the Iraqi people. That kind of cuts down his military options and that is why this war is a mistake.
As for what he is doing against terrorism I think he could have been stronger against terrorists instead of wasting our time, blood, and money in Iraq.

Stevie, please, don't misconstrue my words. Many of us are tired of cowardness and bowing to these common thugs on a religious high. Our hands are tied because of people saying the same things you say. This is ALL of our lives and our way of life here at stake.

I know you're a smart guy but you evidently have not seen very much violence and abuse up close. That is the real deal, and that is what these people are fighting against. Do you really think this is a Saddam thing or an Oil thing? I really wish it were. There are terrorists in our backyards waiting to cut our heads off, there are terrorists in our neighboring countries constantly trying to debunk us and destroy us. Do you want a life for you or your kids where violence is commonplace? I have seen it and believe me, the sacrifices that we make today will benefit us in the long run. This is not garbage propaganda, I have seen a glimpse of it and it ain't pretty. ctually. it scare me a lot.

 

[StevieD]

Nosigar, what is it that I am saying that is making us not fight terrorism? I think we should be more aggresive in the fight. I am upset that our troops are fighting and we do not use all the force we have at our disposal. I do not think Iraq was the place to fight terrorism and I think it was a mistake to go there. But now that we are there I think we should use all of our weapons to defend our service people there.
The truth is that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were going to go to Iraq if 9-11 happened or not. It had nothing to do with terrorism. We compromised the fight against terrorism by fighting this war when we did.
The Right, like my friend Gardenweasel, is so busy grasping at straws to defend Bush and this war that they are refuse to see a clear picture. Everything is the fault of the left or the media or some other figment of their imagination that has nothing to do with the decision making.